Toyota-Mods Postings Dec 1993

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ _______ ^^^ ^^^ ,' - _ ^^^ ^^^ ________,'__________>>> - _ ^ ^^^ ^^^ , ' | ^^^ ^^^ ~I~ I~I \ / I~I ~I~ .~. _ I\/I I~I I~\ <~ ^^^ ^^^ I I_I | I_I I I~I I I I_I I_/ _> ^^^ ^^^ `---\__/----------------\__/----' ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ P O S T I N G S Dec 1993 ^^^ ^^^ --------------------------- ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 12:15:50 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: 80 Corolla with timing problem John and Errol wrote back on my problem with some interesting things to note. Thanks, guys. I got a chance to look at the car last night. I do volunteer work for my Church's auto ministry (for folks who can't afford to get their cars fixed and such) and really didn't know for sure what I was going to find. The car was an 80 Corolla with 218 K miles, and probably the original everything except oil and water pump. I'm not kidding. Original clutch. Original PCV valve. Original Air filter? Probably. I wiped my finger inside the throat of the carb and got more grease and dirt than you would expect to find on the bottom of a diesel engine with a leaky oil pan gasket. Valve cover gasket so shot that the spark plugs (which sit inside of insets in the valve cover) were about 1/2" deep with oil. Original Distributor (and wires) so gunked up the timing wouldn't advance more than about 20 degrees. ...And the car still runs, barely. Late 70's/Early 80's Toyotas. You can't kill 'em, even when you try! Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: GRAHAM@cc1.unt.edu To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 21:33:17 CST6CDT Subject: Re: 80 Corolla with timing problem Chris Myer writes: >John and Errol wrote back on my problem with some interesting things to >note. Thanks, guys. > >I got a chance to look at the car last night. I do volunteer work for >my Church's auto ministry (for folks who can't afford to get their cars >fixed and such) and really didn't know for sure what I was going to >find. Great idea! A good example for us all. Everyone has some skill or knowledge that they can offer to folks that are less fortunate in our communities. > The car was an 80 Corolla with 218 K miles, and probably the >original everything except oil and water pump. I'm not kidding. >Original clutch. Original PCV valve. Original Air filter? Probably. >I wiped my finger inside the throat of the carb and got more grease and >dirt than you would expect to find on the bottom of a diesel engine with >a leaky oil pan gasket. Valve cover gasket so shot that the spark plugs >(which sit inside of insets in the valve cover) were about 1/2" deep >with oil. Original Distributor (and wires) so gunked up the timing >wouldn't advance more than about 20 degrees. > >...And the car still runs, barely. Late 70's/Early 80's Toyotas. You >can't kill 'em, even when you try! I know this to be true. I have a 76 corolla that has in excess of 200k! Can't be sure, because the odometer quit at 117k, and that was about 8 years ago! The legend in my family though is an 82 Corolla with the 3KC engine. My parents bought it new and were foolish enough to let their then teenage son drive it. Needless to say, I put that car through hell. I even spun it off a dark country road one night and caught the poor thing on fire. Along with my abuse, the car also received my dad's attention, err... lack of attention that is. For the cars first three years, I don't think anybody ever checked or changed any of the fluids, including the crankcase oil. When I was about 22 though, I took more than a passing interest in auto mechanics, so I made sure to occassionally go visit my folks and checkout their cars. There would be times when I would check that 82 corolla's dipstick, and no oil would even register! The dipstick was burned a dark black! But that car still ran like it was new! Sadly, the poor little white sedan died in a freeway accident on a rainy evening (mom only suffered minor injuries) a few years back. Who knows though, maybe the insurance company found a new home for it. If it's still out there somewhere, it probably still purrs right along...sob...I feel guilty now about how I treated that poor little thing... mike =:( xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 10:02:25 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Carb VS Fuel Injection.... >Does anyone have any REAL preferences between the two ? > >Can anyone state the advatanges of the two ? >or the major differences ? > >Just Pondering... my .02 A good article covering EFI systems was featured in one of the Byte magazines (between April-July 93) entitled "What's under the Hood" it also discussed the TAG engine management system as used by Formula 1 cars. IMHO In terms of performance/dollar, carbs are the hands down winner for a 4 cyclinder engine. I read an article in Car&Car conversion once that compared the two. One of the negatives for fuel injection systems, is that the placement of the injector is very critical. Engines at the level of the Ford escort-cosworth (4 cyclinder) use 2 injectors per cyclinder, of which only one is fired at a particular RPM. With regards to intake manifolds, EFI systems have rather long pipes, whereas manifolds for carbs are short. As can be expected, these long passageways/pipes are not the optimal solution for high engine RPM. One thing I have noticed about my twin side draft carbs, is that you can really only tune them for a particular range. i.e a richly jetted system would run terrible in traffic, but pull really well at high way speeds, while the reverse is true for a 'leaned' out setup. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:15:30 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Misc Info... For Toyota owners out there wanting some definitive answers that nobody seems to readily know (or want to share), you might want to chat with RJ at TRD. By chance I spoke to him when I ordered a set of plug wires for my recently acquired electromotive ignition system (He recommended their cheapest plug wires -NGK-, as this is what the atlantic teams use). We got to talking about the 4AGE heads and such, and intake manifold designs. Apparently the newer 4AGE heads 89 (90?) have closer intake runners, and hence higher air intake speed than say an 85 4AGE head. He also recommended polishing the ports for a glass like finish, vs 'opening' them since the flow is already terrible until around 4000 RPM. He is also aware of the tricks which some guys are doing i.e filling in the ports with an 'insert' in order to achieve higher port velocity. (Apparently HKS has/had an insert for the 4AGE head). Note you can't use EFI with this modification as the 4AG head has siamese ports, and one injector feeds two ports. With insert, you would have 8 individual ports, and hence need 8 injectors.) Maybe we should try to get someone from TRD involved with this group, electronically? I also spoke to a service mechanic at toyota recently, apparently the head from the 4AGE can bolt directly onto these new 93 1.8L corolla blocks, (the crankshaft has a longer stroke on these engines resulting in the 179x displacement.). Who knows maybe one of you enterprising guys might want to develop this into a 2.0 litre 4AGE by boring the block as well. Note however that long stroke engines do not rev as high as their short stroke counterparts. Also discovered was that the Toyota cressida, and supras of the same year have interchangable suspension components, the cressida is available with IRS and limited slip differential! -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 12:20:22 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Electric Fans (Q) I am looking for a method/mechanism to allow my electric fan to be automatically triggered when the temperature reaches a certain point. Right now it is an on/ off switch. (Permanently off for the winter) Ideally I would like to have a proportional system where the fan would spin at different speeds based on temperature. How can I incorporate the stock temperature probe which has just one wire comming off of it? Suggestions? part numbers? -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:00:12 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Misc Info... A few comments... > For Toyota owners out there wanting some definitive answers that > nobody seems to readily know (or want to share), you might want to chat > with RJ at TRD. By chance I spoke to him when I ordered a set of plug wires > for my recently acquired electromotive ignition system (He recommended > their cheapest plug wires -NGK-, as this is what the atlantic teams use). RJ is definitly a great asset, full of knowledge, and very ready to point you to the best/cheapest solution even if it is from another company. > Maybe we should try to get someone from TRD involved with this > group, electronically? Wouldn't that be beautiful? I mentioned a coupla months back that I was trying to get Toyota involved, but I haven't heard anything lately. I suppose I should follow up on this soon. As far as RJ/TRD goes, it would be nice if RJ at least knew of our existance and purpose, so we would have more of a regular "contact" at TRD. > I also spoke to a service mechanic at toyota recently, apparently > head from the 4AGE can bolt directly onto these new 93 1.8L corolla > blocks, (the crankshaft has a longer stroke on these engines resulting in > the 179x displacement.). Who knows maybe one of you enterprising guys > might want to develop this into a 2.0 litre 4AGE by boring the block as > well. Note > however that long stroke engines do not rev as high as their > short stroke counterparts. Hmmm...Cool concept. You're right about the revs, though. The 20R and 22R are both "square" or nearly square engines, and do not produce as much HP at higher RPMs. On my 4x4 (22R), I hit the peak of my torque curve around 3200-3800 rpm! You 4AGx and 3Tx types aren't even running smooth yet at those speeds! > Also discovered was that the Toyota cressida, and supras of the > same year have interchangable suspension components, the cressida is > available with IRS and limited slip differential! Correct again. The Cressida is an F-series rear end, just like the Supra, and they do have limited slips. Note that _I_think_ the rear end is classified (at least on the the 83 Cressida) as the semi-trailing link or whatever you call it. I don't know anything about these, but I think we recently had a discussion about the fine differences between that and "true" IRS. Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:18:58 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Electric Fans (Q) > I am looking for a method/mechanism to allow my electric fan to be > automatically triggered when the temperature reaches a certain point. Right > now it is an on/ off switch. (Permanently off for the winter) Ideally I > would like to have a proportional system where the fan would spin at > different speeds based on temperature. > How can I incorporate the stock temperature probe which has just one wire > comming off of it? Suggestions? part numbers? Probably overkill, but here goes anyway... A company called OMEGA makes hardware for process control at manufacturing sites, etc. Their stuff is expensive, but the catalogs (if you can call them that) are free. These catalogs are _hardbound_ books the size of an encyclopedia volume, and come in a set of 7 or so, including volumes on Flow and Level, Heaters, Data Acquisition, Pressure and Strain, Ph and Conductivity, and Temperature. To get these you can call OMEGA toll free (US & CA) 800-826-6342, or (203) 359-1660 (International). If nothing else, they look impressive in your book case. Each volume contains various engineering data in regards to its subject, along with tons of various equipment. Also, it contains a great bibliography of pertinent texts on the subject. Anyhow, in the Temperature Volume, they have a section on Controllers and Solid State Relays. Like I said, probably overkill, but they give a good education on the types of temperature controls, and list about a zillion different controls and relays, most of them microprocessor controlled. I really didn't have time to go through these well, but there may be some low-cost solutions as well. They have a Engineering and Technical Assistance line that is Toll Free in the US: 800-872-4328, but I guess you'd have to use the (203) number above from outside the US. Possibly they'd connect you from the 800 sales line. Better stop blabbing. Good luck. Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:19:25 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Red Hot MR2 Thoughts.. An article in Jan Turbo magazine featured a turbo ferrari. The interesting thing was that the engine had a compression ratio of 10.x:1 which is high for a turbo engines (it was also running 9 psi of boost). The way the builders got around detonation and knocking, was to use a heavily retarded ignition system. Which brings me to a chapter I read in the electromotive TEC manual, that said that with heavily retarded ignition systems, you could run into problems of the exhaust charge going down the exhaust while still alight, (something about it not being very good for the exhaust gas oxygen sensor!) From what I recall of the MR 2 discussion, the engine had a compression ratio of 170 PSI, which is fairly high for a turbo engine.. (For comparision, I recently did some work on my engine head due to 3 bent valves, and am now getting 180 PSI in each cyclinder, a nissan sentra engine I checked gave 150-160 PSI) I would hazard a guess that it may have been an ignition timing problem on the MR2 that was causing the overly hot exhaust. One thing I have discovered with toyota engines, is that they will start and run ok with valve and ignition timing "all over the place". I would be curious in hearing if the Turbo MR2 problem was resolved. For those wanting the laymans description of ignition retard/advance, a great description (taken from a c&c article) descibed it as the goal of trying to set the air fuel mixture burning, just before the piston reaches top dead centre, so that the piston will be forced down after TDC with the expanding gas. An Engine that is overly advanced will knock because the gas is expanding before the piston reaches top dead centre, and the expanding mixture, is trying to force the piston down while it is comming up, thus causing the piston to knock against the side of the cyclinder wall. (This is also one of the reasons you will see mechanics turning the distributor assembly back and forth when tuning and engine, -- Gone however are those days with the HPV-1 electromotive ignition system, where you basically turn a knob to adjust the ignition/spark advance/retard for different engine RPM). With a mechanical distributor, what you set for ignition timing (advance/retard) at low rpm's will affect the ignition retard at high rpm. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 10:46:29 PST From: wg%rmvs4h@Riem.Com (Wayne R. Graves) Subject: Finally decided to bite the bullet... To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Remember me, 88 Celica Turbo-Altrac(not a car, a hobbie). Awhile back I was having overheating problems, I made the mistake of letting them CORE the ratiator rather then replace it. Well it cost about 250 get get it cored and two weeks later the plastic top on the ratiator cracked and I had to replace it, amost $400 bucks for a new one from Toyota(Isn't it great having a one of a kind car?) Sign... Well The suspension has been acting strange so I took it to Roger Kruse Racing in Castro Valley, California. Well, Roger looked at it and found two bushings out in the left back wheel area and mushy shocks. He called toyota about the bushings and they wouldn't sell them without the connecting rods. Well one was only $75.00, the other was cheaper to make(I wasn't given a price, but over $200 I suspect). Next Roger started looking around for shocks, well he looks and looks, and all the books either say 'All models except ALTRAC' or only front shocks available. Finally he calls TRD, the guy quotes $535(or there abouts). Roger looks at me and sez $535(thinking this is a lot), but these are rally shocks. So I ask him to find out what toyota wants for stock, he calls, and its $141.54 per shock, thats $31. more for stock.(Isn't it great having a one of a kind car?) Sign... Anyway, I made a new friend, Rogers going to install a remote oil filter for me and maybe an oil temperature gauge, this car only holds 4 quarts of oil and burns it up. I've been carrying the remote kit around for almost a yeat, but haven't been able to find anyone that would install it. Oh, they all say 'No problem' over the phone, but take it down and show it to them and they may even keep it a day before they tell you they can't do it. Roger grabed 4 guys out of his shop and in 10 mins they said it would cost but they could do it. Its going to take a couple of weeks to get all the parts here, but hopefully by the 16th or 17th I should be blowing the tires out again. Wayne WRGraves@Riem.Com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:05:32 -0700 From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE>>Misc Info... Chris wrote: "Hmmm...Cool concept. You're right about the revs, though. The 20R and 22R are both "square" or nearly square engines, and do not produce as much HP at higher RPMs. On my 4x4 (22R), I hit the peak of my torque curve around 3200-3800 rpm! You 4AGx and 3Tx types aren't even running smooth yet at those speeds!" I agree about the 22R being a low rpm torquer. Mine is the 22RE and is listed at having its torque peak at 2800 rpm. I believe it because when I am four wheeling, it will pull hills from about 1500 rpm and up. My previous truck was a 7.3L diesel, so I was prepared to lose all my low end. However, I have been pleasantly surprised. I'm gonna have to drive an 85 Celica some day to see how the 22RE acts in a lighter package than a 3600+lb truck. Jim Chott rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: RE>>Misc Info... Cc: alung@megatest.com, lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 12:29:22 PST From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com > >Chris wrote: >"Hmmm...Cool concept. You're right about the revs, though. The 20R and >22R are both "square" or nearly square engines, and do not produce as >much HP at higher RPMs. On my 4x4 (22R), I hit the peak of my torque >curve around 3200-3800 rpm! You 4AGx and 3Tx types aren't even running >smooth yet at those speeds!" > >I agree about the 22R being a low rpm torquer. Mine is the 22RE >and is listed at having its torque peak at 2800 rpm. I believe it >because when I am four wheeling, it will pull hills from about 1500 >rpm and up. My previous truck was a 7.3L diesel, so I was prepared >to lose all my low end. However, I have been pleasantly surprised. >I'm gonna have to drive an 85 Celica some day to see how the 22RE >acts in a lighter package than a 3600+lb truck. Yes, I noticed this about my 22R engine. I get the most power (which is not much) around 2-3k. If I am running past 3k, the engine ends up making alot of noise. Going through the Santa Cruz mountains at 2.5K, I sometimes upshift by taking it off overdrive (yes, yes, I have an auto tranny). The car runs louder, but there doesn't seem to be much more power. Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 15:45:35 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: 2xR engine speeds (was RE>>Misc Info...) > >Chris wrote: > >"Hmmm...Cool concept. You're right about the revs, though. The 20R and > >22R are both "square" or nearly square engines, and do not produce as > >much HP at higher RPMs. On my 4x4 (22R), I hit the peak of my torque > >curve around 3200-3800 rpm! You 4AGx and 3Tx types aren't even running > >smooth yet at those speeds!" > > > >I agree about the 22R being a low rpm torquer. Mine is the 22RE > >and is listed at having its torque peak at 2800 rpm. I believe it > >because when I am four wheeling, it will pull hills from about 1500 > >rpm and up. My previous truck was a 7.3L diesel, so I was prepared > >to lose all my low end. However, I have been pleasantly surprised. > >I'm gonna have to drive an 85 Celica some day to see how the 22RE > >acts in a lighter package than a 3600+lb truck. > > Yes, I noticed this about my 22R engine. I get the most power (which is > not much) around 2-3k. If I am running past 3k, the engine ends up making > alot of noise. Which isn't to say you can't make the 2xR engine produce more power at higher rpms. I think part of the low rpm situation is due to an extremely constricted airflow path through the engine as it comes from the factory (stock.) However, even with a 500 cfm Holley, oval track cam, and big header, and slightly ported head, those guys I know that circle-track race 20R's never take them above 7300 rpm. Not for fear of engine failure, mind you, but evidently the back slope of the power curve above that point is so steep that it buys you nothing to exceed that rpm. One of the guys actually told me he wasn't geared quite right for the track, and would pull back on the accelerator when it hit 7300 rpm (at about 3/4 of the way down the straight,) because he would only make more noise at that point. Now the 3TC's in that same race were running about 8800 rpm. Shorter stroke engine. Sounded like a 2 cycle chain saw going around the track. (Remember what I said about some Corolla's being more of a sports car than Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 16:27:58 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: RE>>Misc Info... >Chris wrote: >"Hmmm...Cool concept. You're right about the revs, though. The 20R and >22R are both "square" or nearly square engines, and do not produce as >much HP at higher RPMs. On my 4x4 (22R), I hit the peak of my torque >curve around 3200-3800 rpm! You 4AGx and 3Tx types aren't even running >smooth yet at those speeds!" > The ability of an engine to rev & develop power comes mainly from the head. Right now the engine of choice for modifying in England is the vauxhall astra engine. (A 2 litre 16 valve engine similar in design to the 4AGE. The specs are a bore and stroke of 86 mm. With nothing more than twin carbs and mild porting/polishing the 2 litre 16's are good for 200+ BHP, this happening at around 7000 RPM. The TRD specs (Japan) for the corolla "sprinter" series is: Max Torque: 186@7000 Max BHP: 215@9000 The Formula atlantic 4AGE's are often advertised as running 240 BHP at 11,500 RPM. The winning team for 93, (from whom I bought my electromotive ignition) figures more like 220 BHP, and they never go beyond 10,000 RPM. Where noise levels are restricted, the engines are fitted with a supertrapp muffler system. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 21:40:53 -0800 From: Brian Goble To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Toyota Palindrome Someone mailed this on the mr2-interest mailing list (yes, I own a Supra but I like to keep up on the mr2 as well :) A Toyota! Race fast, safe car! A Toyota. Not a bad palindrome, eh? -Brian ==)------------ Brian Goble | goble@hardy.u.washington.edu "Finishing a close second means you didn't win." ------------(== xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 05:10:06 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Cressida Upgrades >Allen, >I was just curious about the prices, The cressida will be my everyday car, >and The starlet will become an all out race machine, (though I will keep it >street certifiable, i.e headlights, horn, etc.. oh yeah, can't forget >heater!) Sheesh...you guys have all the niceties ! (*sigh*) > The cressida and supra from the same year have interchangable suspension >components, down to the TEMS electronic suspension. (The 87 cressida I am >getting even has a limited slip differential and independent rear >suspension.) I have actually a set of springs that will fit my car since my ex had a 1988 Turbo Supra and yes the suspension is interchangeable (just wasnt sure if it was me thinking so or fact) I have a set of TRD Springs which cost about $85 each. A bit steep yes but worth it. The TEMS adjustable shocks came out to about $320 i belive well worth getting it however...if you are truely sports orientated then you will always leave it on sports setting no matter what. Best Wishes on your car Roger ! *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 05:15:08 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Suzuki & Calimini >Allen, >>BTW Roger, the Turbo Magazine in Jan should please you or your friend with the >>Suzuki. How ever...I forgot FORGOT....is an understatement..but the developer >>from Calimini the Suzuki Calamini ? err...something like that is the same >>enginner whom pulled Mikuni out of its slump with the Mukuni set up for the >>Harley Bikes. Calamini should be the place for your friend to reference to. >>If wished or desiered i shall get a current name and number for him to contact.>> > It would be most appreciated if you could get a contact for Calimini. I >think my friend has all but given up hope, as I haven't gotten back to him >with any info. Are you referring to the Jan. issue of Turbo with Tim allen >on the front, and featuring the 880 BHP porsche 944? Yes that is the issue. Sorry, i've been a bit busy down here working and not paying attention to the good stuff like mail =) I'll go get a name and contact tommorow from Pat. What type of Suzuki does he have again ? Did he see the issue of the Jackson Racing one ? Toyota down here sells Suzuki...is up there the same ? BTW I'm unable to answer personal mail due to our poor server down here. Please excuse my public reponses. *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 12:53:44 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: New Member! Please join me in welcoming our newest member, Aaron Lung. >>>>>>>>>>Aaron Lung<<<<<<<<<<<<< }Name : Aaron Lung }Location : San Jose, CA }Model : 1984 Celica GT hatchback }Engine : 22RE }Mods : none yet! (OK, a set of fog lights so far :-) ) }email : lung@san-jose.ate.slb.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 10:44:56 PST From: do@etdesg.trw.com (Louis Do) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: low restriction cats Hi all, Does anyone have any experiences with the aftermarket low restriction catalytic converters. Do they flow better than the stock cats? Thanks, Louis xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 16:06:42 -0800 From: Brian Goble To: supras@vicor.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: type III Supra Gear ratios (?) Someone just posted a nifty little formula of when to shift for max acceleration (of course, I have no idea how valid it is! :) I'm interested in performing the calculations but I don't know my gear ratios for my '88 Supra Turbo (with LSD). If anyone knows them, please post or email me. I'll attach the formula at the end of this msg. Thanx! -Brian ==)------------ Brian Goble | goble@hardy.u.washington.edu "Finishing a close second means you didn't win." ------------(== --- In article <2de5o8$dpp@news.u.washington.edu> tanman@carson.u.washington.edu (Tan Truong) writes: >How do you shift a manual for the best acceleration without wearing out >the clutch excessively and revving the engine past 5000 rpm. I ask this >because I usually get beaten at the stop light by cars with automatic >transmissions like a Honda Accord, a Ford truck, or a Jeep. > I believe the following method provides the best acceleration any car can attain, all else being equal: 1.) Know your transmission gear ratios i.e. 1st gear = 3.50:1 2nd " = 2.05:1 3rd " = 1.38:1 4th " = 0.94:1 5th " = 0.72:1 2.) Know your engine's torque peak RPM i.e. 160 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM ^^^^^^^^ 3.) Know your engine's redline i.e. 6000 RPM 4.) To determine shift points, use the following formula: SHIFT_RPM = Current-Gear Ratio * Torque-peak-RPM ------------------------------------ Next-Gear Ratio For my car (Cavalier Z24), the first-to-second shift comes at: SHIFT_RPM = 3.50 * 3600 = 6146 RPM (6000 RPM) V=33MPH ----------- 2.05 Because I don't want to exceed redline, I shift *at* redline, (i.e. 6000 RPM). Then, second-to-third: SHIFT_RPM = 2.05 * 3600 = 5347 RPM V=50MPH ----------- 1.38 Then, third-to-fourth: SHIFT_RPM = 1.38 * 3600 = 5285 RPM V=73MPH ----------- 0.94 Finally, fourth-to-fifth: SHIFT_RPM = 0.94 * 3600 = 4700 RPM V=96MPH ----------- 0.72 The idea is to have the engine fall back right into the meat of the torque band after each shift, thus providing the most pull *right* after the shift, instead of having to "climb-the-torque-curve" from a lower RPM. (P.S. Be real careful of missed-shifts when around redline...) ^^^^ - MJP " I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy... " - Steve Dallas --- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 16:38:50 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Calmini, California, and Cressida >>Toyota down here sells Suzuki...is up there the same ? >Nope, its strictly Toyota-Lexus here in Toronto, But suzuki in Barbados >sells Mercedes Benz! Woah Intense ! down here one company kinna sells all Toyota's and Suzuki and Lexus. Also deals in Chevrolet and Geo =) BTW Calmini (805) 257-3700 He has to call and ask for the distributor nearest him. If he has major problems he can use Matt at Autosport Hawaii as a reference. Although he hasn't dealt with them in ages. Matts number is (808) 836-2221 (and tell them you are calling long distance so they hurry) I belive there is a Supercharger for the Swift so has he looked into that ? The Turbo motor he should contact one of the california companies that bring in all the Japan motors. I know we used to get down here but not any more. Thats why its easier to get a brand "new" used motor from japan in california easier then in Hawaii. Also footnote: the Cressida suspension is the same except for the shocks. I belive those are the difference although you can change the mounting plates and put on the supra ones to get the stiffer springs. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 16:46:55 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Catalytic and Exhaust >Hi all, Aloha ! >Does anyone have any experiences with the aftermarket low restriction >catalytic converters. Do they flow better than the stock cats? I belive i bought the LAST HKS replacement resonator muffler from HKS. Now a days its all AFTER the catalytic. HKS switched over from the "race" application mufflers to the "street legal" exhaust systems which bolts on after the catalytic. To answer your question. I belive from my viewpoint (since we have no emissions down here) that you maybe able to bore yours out and just pass emissions with a simple tuning solution. I know thats how my dad in Las Vegas passes his cars through emissions and they have no catalytics. With a catalytic you lose maybe about 10 hp or so. That isnt much, maybe for a 4 banger but you can make up in your exhaust design through a scavving effect An example of this is say your cat port is about 1 3/4". Run a 1 3/4" in "glasspack" type muffler with a 2" exit side into another 2" with a 2 1/2" and you will make up the rest of your "free flowing system. I don't think this answered your question but gives you food for thought. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 16:51:54 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Misc Stuff Check out the new Car Craft mag ! It says a little about street racing in Cali and in detroit (or someplace) Small article but it tells about The Japanese cars in Cali blowing the American types away ! Neat ! Maybe we should ask Harry Kimura to join the SIG. Although he's not really into Toyota's he does know serveral people in teh community. Check the Rec.car.audio and the rec.car.auto forum or something (i havent gone in there in ages so i forget( t he knows some of the bigger people in cali and their cars... Just me and my lagging thoughts.. *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 08:09:18 PST From: do@etdesg.trw.com (Louis Do) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Catalytic and Exhaust > > >Hi all, > > Aloha ! > > >Does anyone have any experiences with the aftermarket low restriction > >catalytic converters. Do they flow better than the stock cats? > > I belive i bought the LAST HKS replacement resonator muffler from HKS. > Now a days its all AFTER the catalytic. HKS switched over from the "race" > application mufflers to the "street legal" exhaust systems which bolts on > after the catalytic. > > To answer your question. I belive from my viewpoint (since we have no emissions > down here) that you maybe able to bore yours out and just pass emissions with > a simple tuning solution. I know thats how my dad in Las Vegas passes his > cars through emissions and they have no catalytics. > > With a catalytic you lose maybe about 10 hp or so. That isnt much, maybe for > a 4 banger but you can make up in your exhaust design through a scavving effect > An example of this is say your cat port is about 1 3/4". Run a 1 3/4" in > "glasspack" type muffler with a 2" exit side into another 2" with a 2 1/2" > and you will make up the rest of your "free flowing system. This is interesting. Do they make mufflers with the inlet and outlet ports in different sizes? I am really leaning towards dumping the stock cat.( I am soooo devious! 8-) ), and the stock muffler and swapping in a Dynomax. 4 KYBs are to follow. No sport springs 8-(! . This is going in the wife's Camry so I gotta stay on the mild side. Thanks for your input, Louis xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 10:38:01 CST From: fredo@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com (Fred Oberbuchner) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: MSD stuff 4 sale Howdy all! I am/will-be selling my multi-spark stuff. I have an MSD-5 and the MSD timing control unit. The MSD-5 provides multiple sparks instead of the single spark the stock ignitions provide thereby giving a cleaner burn (especially in richer non-stock setups). The timing control unit provides (you guessed it!) ignition timing control from a control you can mount on your dash. I have set these units up particularly for Toyota's so you don't need an extra tach adaptor (an ugly little "transformer" that you have to put somewhere) and have professionally put connectors on them so you only have one connection to your vehicle which can easily be unplugged and a dummy plug installed for diagnostic purposes (ie. tune-ups). These units were mounted inside the passenger compartment so they are totally clean and look like new! (actually, the timing control unit is only 3 months old anyway!) I am really not sure how much to ask for these things so I am inviting offers/advice/questions from anyone. Thanks, Fred Oberbuchner (fredo@wpg.paramax.com) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 15:59:55 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Red Hot MR2 Thoughts.. The Nov 93 issue of 'Hot Rodders' magazine (mainly V 8's) featured a 40 tips section on identifying and fixing common performance problems. One problem in particular read as follows: Q:Header glows read hot A:Rich and overly retarded ignition, blah blah... -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 16:36:52 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Red Hot MR2 The never ending saga continues! things I have discovered so far: - The Toyota Hotline for Dealers might answer your questions, but they tend to follow the party line - i.e 'What do you mean its broken?' 1-800-233-3718 - They ask for a Dealer Code - but just talking helps. - JD at TRD is VERY helpful and sharp - But he dosn't have any suggestions yet. - Brian at AEM - they make Fuel injection systems knows a LOT about Toyotas, he also has a CHASIS DYNO for those of you who live in CA. his MR2 Turbo puts out > 250HP at the REAR WHEELS!!! 310-537-2277 ALSO: At Idle: My ignition timing is right to factory specs, my valve timing is also right to factory specs. My cylinder compresion is to factory specs My Vacumm is to factory specs My O2 sensor is within factory specs My VF signal is to factory specs - indicates sightly rich My main cat is NOT clogged My muffler is NOT clogged My duty cycle on the injectors is within factory specs My EGR is working properly My engine compartment cooling fan/thermastat is working correctly I HAVE not Checked: The Fuel pressure The injector flow rates. So I am not driving the car - actually I am considering: - a 91 or 92 300zx Twin Turbo - a 93 RX7 - a 93 MR2 Turbo ( after I check it) I guess I have gotten bored with this exercise ( sigh), I will check the fuel/injector related stuff and then ??? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 17:08:00 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Red Hot MR2 Raymond, >The never ending saga continues! > >things I have discovered so far: > >ALSO: > At Idle: > My ignition timing is right to factory specs, Just a thought, have you put a timing light on it to see what the advance/retard is at higher RPM's? With turbo set ups, the computer may retard the spark based on RPM/feedback from several sensors. Are you suggesting that if you leave the car idling, the muffler glows red hot? If the retard is way out at higher RPM's, then If there is a 'glitch' in a sensor, the computer may be incorrectly adjusting the ignition. For comparasion, my electromotive ignition has controls for idle advance, 3000 advance and over 8000 RPM advance/retard, so that ignition timing at idle is not the same at higher RPM's -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 17:08:59 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: 3SGE performance parts..... 3SGE owners (Celica) interested in performance parts (of which HKS and TRD don't seem to offer much) should note that the British Toyota carina - FWD 3SGE- as raced in the BTCC (British Touring Car Championship) features *285* BHP at 8500 RPM (Rev. limit for the series). Appparently there are many British made parts for the the 3SGE. Chris, do we want to include suppliers outside of North America? -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 17:39:40 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: 3SGE performance parts..... > Chris, do we want to include > suppliers outside of North America? > Hey, the more the merrier! Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 21:14:06 -0500 From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Bumper Sticker... Chris, This one is especially for you! The bumper sticker on the BTCC Toyota carina reads "The car in front of you is a Toyota" in large white letters.. -- and who said racers didn't have a sense of humor? ;-) -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 04:06:28 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: MR-2 Mods (Attention Charles) >My name is Charles Nguyen and I have an '85 MR2... 85's only had >the 1.6l engine. It is fully stock but I would like to add an >aftermarket freeflow exhaust (not sure which one but I am leaning >towards HKS) and maybe a K&N filter... I want to join to group to >get advice on other mods... I live in Chicago. I do most of my >own maintenance and am an avid car and motorcycle enthusiast... Aloha Charles, I'm kinna late in answering this as i've been busy. I just picked up a 1987 MR-2 And did the following modifications. I have the K&N filter and love it. The airbox is hidden in the trunk on the left (drivers hand side) of the trunk. Its easily replaced. If by any chance you want more "power" or such like going down the race track. Keep your "stock" filter and punch out the filter and keep the plastic part and insert a wire mesh like on window screens on it. That way its more flowing and allows particles to still be stopped. This isnt recommended for street "normal" every day driving. For my Exhaust, First of all I opened it up with a simple "glasspack" type muffler. This was a bit too free flowing so I ran a supercharged MR-2 muffler and got a bit better results, but am changing to a Powerflow muffler or a dynomax muffler. I'll let you know the exact ones when I get the car and exhaust on. (lucky we have a cool shop down here that if you don't like the way it runs bring it back and they'll redo the whole thing....but i think thats cause of the person i race SCCA for but it helps -grin-) I also picked up a set of TRD Timing gears and fussing about with my timing a bit. The cost was about $40 per side so about $80 or so. For my old "t series" motor its $120 so i consider this a good investment. I'll give you timing specs soon. I'm also picking up a set of bigger injectors for the car. I belive its from a Celica or turbo truck. The Celica injectors are naturally larger and flow better. I've also changed the struts on all 4 sides using the stock springs. The body tends to roll a lot, but i'm working on a deal to get some stiffer anti-sway bars. What kinna mods do you want and how often do you drive you car ? =) >--- >Charles Nguyen >cnguyen@next3.corp.mot.com >Motorola Corporate Offices Wow ! I been supporting Motorola since the old radio phone days ! (or my dad did -grin-) *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 04:17:23 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Camry / Corolla / Isuzu (Attention Louis) >>>>>>Louis Do<<<<<<<< >Name : Louis Do >Location : Redondo Beach, CA >Vehicles : 87 Camry, 87 Corolla, 86 Isuzu Impulse, 78 IHC SCOUT II >INTERNET address : do@etdesg.trw.com TRW ? Pistons ? =) Just Checking ;) >I am always interested in performance mods to any vehicles. >Previously I've done performance mods to a Datsun 240Z, 510 and >a Chevy Luv. I have been away from tinkering w/ cars for a while >now so I am trying to catch up on performance parts. 240Z's are fast and well balanced. Same with the 510's. The Chevy luv I supposed you did an engine swap and run a small block used for drags or such. At least you are willing to try and "catch up" my father in Las Vegas is unwilling to "catch up" and stuck on old techonology that works and delivers power but just not up to date and "nicetity" He's disowned me for wanting a Toyota =) >The 2 Toyota are stock and have about 53Kmiles each. I am planning to >upgrade the exhaust and swapping in KYBs. I can't go too wild cause >my wife drives them. The 87 Camry i'd and the Corolla. Is Camry a 4 or a 6 ? Which model ? The Corolla the same ? Actually just the "normal" change filter and add "splitfire" plugs or such is the most trivial thing you can do. With California emissions running the way they are. There are exhaust systems for your car if you so desire. Best bet it to run down a a local shop such as the Toystore or TRD or of the hundereds of shops down there and ask them for simple economical changes to improve the performance of your car for every day life. Good oil and synthetics are worth it also. >The Impluse has KYBs and exhaust mods. It has 184Kmiles and going >strong. This is my daily driver. I supposed this is a non turbo. They have VERY nice armrests. I was gonan shove a set in my Toyota if it was lower and such. For the Isuzu. there isnt much in the way of High performance parts. Its proably best to contact one of the "local" mini shops down there. I remeber some "hop up" parts for the Impulse but I can't remeber whom they were from. >and for the SCOUT, where do I start? I'd say check with one of the local off road shops and they proably have an idea. >Thanks, >Louis Anytime =) *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 04:50:10 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Exhaust Sizes ! >This is interesting. Do they make mufflers with the inlet and outlet ports in >different sizes? I am really leaning towards dumping the stock cat.( I am sooo >devious! 8-) ), and the stock muffler and swapping in a Dynomax. 4 KYBs are to >follow. No sport springs 8-(! . This is going in the wife's Camry so I gotta >stay on the mild side. I dunno too much about Cali emissions and all..but if you can do it then go for it.... Yes...most mufflers have different inlet and outlet ports and sizes... try check what yours is gonan be...you'll be surprised... No need springs but better shocks might be better..or stiffers ones at least =) >Thanks for your input, >Louis Luck... If not jus bore the sucker out =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 04:52:58 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Land Cruiser >>>>>>>Terry Egan<<<<<<<< >Name Terry Egan >Location Cupertino, CA, USA >Model 1992 Land Cruiser >Engine straight 6 - I don't know the model yet >Mods K&N air filter,bug shield, plastic airflow diverters > for driver & shotgun seats,fire extingusher >email-address egan_t@measurex.com > I read about this list on the Toyota emailing list. >I am not a gearhead, but I'd like to know how to improve >my 'Crusher as I'm not happy with its performance on-road >(offroad is fine). Not much about the cruiser. Its the strongest frame there is. What exactly are you not satifisfited with ? On Road handling ? Ergonomics ? >Terry Egan I'm not sure..but There are a lot of mods you can do for offroad. Generally i'd say offhand..your "ride" is proably better then half the guys with mods on their "toys" on the net. In the ways of being more then comfortable ! =) *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 05:20:27 HST From: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: New Car ! Someone jus abandoned this 1977 Celica to me with a 20R.... Actually I helped build this car at one time but he went on to bigger things and got a life =) 1977 Celica GT 20R Dual 44 Mikunis BIG Crane Cam Slight head work TRD Timing gear TRD Springs and Shocks. 4.66 TRD Locker Gears Quick Shifter From Japan I hate to ask this..... But....anyone have any REAL clue as to tuning ? Or what works for them ? Actually...how do you tune your cars ? For race ? For street ? For every day ? I tune my car once a week at night.... Any masterful secrets ? =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 10:02:24 EST From: eyoung1@cosmos.bellcore.com (Errol Young) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com@bellcore.com Subject: Re: Camry / Corolla / Isuzu (Attention Louis) > From: Allen T "Koji" Kam > Subject: Camry / Corolla / Isuzu (Attention Louis) > > I supposed this is a non turbo. They have VERY nice armrests. I was gonan > shove a set in my Toyota if it was lower and such. For the Isuzu. there isnt > much in the way of High performance parts. Its proably best to contact one of > the "local" mini shops down there. I remeber some "hop up" parts for the > Impulse but I can't remeber whom they were from. > Actually, there is a version (models) of the ISUZU line caller the "IMSHER" line that this sold outside of the US that are performance cars. I seen a few in my country (Jamaica) and a couple in British auto magazines. These cars are supposed to be really fast - I don't for sure... this is what I've been told... the specs looked impressive at the time. And, there are performance parts offered for these outside of the US - it is so amazing that a lot of the Japanese performance cars and parts are offered "outside of the US." Just adding my $0.02 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Errol Young ~ Internet: egy@cc.bellcore.com ~ ~ Bell Communications Research, Inc. ~ -or- eyoung1@cosmos.bellcore.com ~ ~ 444 Hoes Lane, RRC 4D-531 ~ ~ ~ Piscataway, NJ 08854 ~ ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 08:44:20 PST From: do@etdesg.trw.com (Louis Do) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Subject: Re: Camry / Corolla / Isuzu (Attention Louis) > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 04:17:23 HST > From: Allen T "Koji" Kam > To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com > Subject: Camry / Corolla / Isuzu (Attention Louis) > > >>>>>>Louis Do<<<<<<<< > > >Name : Louis Do > >Location : Redondo Beach, CA > >Vehicles : 87 Camry, 87 Corolla, 86 Isuzu Impulse, 78 IHC SCOUT II > >INTERNET address : do@etdesg.trw.com > > TRW ? Pistons ? =) Just Checking ;) TRW as in Space Applications. > > The 87 Camry i'd and the Corolla. Is Camry a 4 or a 6 ? Which model ? > The Corolla the same ? Both the Camry and the Corolla are 4 bangers . 3SFE and 4ALC respectively. > > Actually just the "normal" change filter and add "splitfire" plugs or such > is the most trivial thing you can do. With California emissions running the > way they are. There are exhaust systems for your car if you so desire. I am planning to leave both power plants stock. I'm gonna play w/ the exhaust and the suspensions. I am thinking to replace the Cats. with a straight pipes and bolting the Cats back in when I go for the smog test. The cars will pass smog w/out the Cats. off provided they don't check for its existence. Dynomax will also replace the stock mufflers. KYBs around all four cornners should make the stock suspension come alive. > > Best bet it to run down a a local shop such as the Toystore or TRD or of the > hundereds of shops down there and ask them for simple economical changes > to improve the performance of your car for every day life. Good oil and > synthetics are worth it also. > > >The Impluse has KYBs and exhaust mods. It has 184Kmiles and going > >strong. This is my daily driver. > > I supposed this is a non turbo. They have VERY nice armrests. I was gonan > shove a set in my Toyota if it was lower and such. For the Isuzu. there isnt > much in the way of High performance parts. Its proably best to contact one of > the "local" mini shops down there. I remeber some "hop up" parts for the > Impulse but I can't remeber whom they were from. > Parts are hard to find for the Impulse. It has served as a very reliable source of transportation. Calmini makes parts for the truck line but none for the Impulse. It's EFI so it's very limited to what you can tinker with. I am planning to just rebuild it stock w/ a mild head port when it decides to stop running. Someone mentioned the "IMSHER" line outside of the US. If you have more info. Please post it. > >and for the SCOUT, where do I start? > > I'd say check with one of the local off road shops and they proably have an > idea. > The IHC SCOUTII is curently my money pit. I've dopped $$ in a lift kit, bigger tires, dual exhaust etc... It has served as a fun truck taking me to where others can't go. I am planning to hi-po rebuild sometimes next year when $$ alows it. But you guys are probably not interested in hi-po V8s are you? > >Thanks, > >Louis > > Anytime =) > Say Koji, What island are you on? I visited KONA a few time to do big game fishing ( My other expensive hobby) and planning to go to Maui this year. Later, Louis > *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * > | | > | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | > | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | > | | > | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | > | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | > | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | > | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | > | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | > | | > *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 12:00:09 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Tranny question I was sitting here pondering the fact that circle-track racers usually only use the first 2 or 3 gears for racing, and had this idea... What if I took out 4th and 5th gear? Is this possible? Would it only remove weight, or would it also reduce inertial force on the drive train? As you can tell, I know _zero_ about transmissions, so help me out. If I could drop several pounds of inertial weight, this could be a coup! Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: goble@u.washington.edu, supras@vicor.com, Subject: Re: type III Supra Gear ratios (?) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 12:40:54 PST From: Brian Goble > >Someone just posted a nifty little formula of when to shift for max >acceleration (of course, I have no idea how valid it is! :) > >In article <2de5o8$dpp@news.u.washington.edu> tanman@carson.u.washington.edu >(Tan Truong) writes: > >>How do you shift a manual for the best acceleration without wearing out >>the clutch excessively and revving the engine past 5000 rpm. I ask this >>because I usually get beaten at the stop light by cars with automatic >>transmissions like a Honda Accord, a Ford truck, or a Jeep. >> > >The idea is to have the engine fall back right into the meat of >the torque band after each shift, thus providing the most pull >*right* after the shift, instead of having to "climb-the-torque-curve" >from a lower RPM. Would it be better if you climb the torque curve? If you didn that, you (and the passenger) can feel the acceleration, right? Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 16:43:51 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: List of Mailing Lists (Long) I just pulled this list of mailing lists off of one of the newsgroups (rec.autos, I think) and thought I'd forward it. You'll notice we're not on there and that is okay with me. I think we have a bit higher knowledge level and a bit less noise with our basic policy of "recruiting". (Not to make anyone feel unwelcome, I appreciate everyone we have on the list!) Also, in another news group was a good review of the Escort 4500 vs the Valentine 1 Radar Detectors (rec.autos.driving?). I'm not forwarding it since it really doesn't apply, but I though a few folks might find it interesting. Chris ***Begin Included Data*** There are a number of electronic mailing lists on the network devoted to various special automotive topics. To the best of my knowledge, all the lists appearing here have open membership policies. It is my policy not to list `closed' mailing lists here. Most mailing lists provide separate addresses for administrative queries and for general mail; where separate administrative addresses exist, I have listed those below, as the general addresses are not appropriate for inquirys and requests. Acura (see Honda list below) Audi (send requests to quattro-request@aries.east.sun.com) Autocross/Solo (send requests to autox-request@autox.team.net) BMW (send requests to bmw-request@balltown.cma.com both regular and digest forms available) British Cars (send requests to british-cars-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu) Buick Grand National/Turbo Regal/GNX (send requests to gnttype-request@srvsn2.monsanto.com) Camaro/Firebird (GM F-body) (send requests to f-body-request@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM) Corvair (send requests to bryan@mitre.org) Corvettes there are two lists; the first is more of a competition oriented list, and the second is more general in nature (or so i am told) Competition: (send requests to vettes-request@pms706.pms.ford.com) General: (send requests to vettes-request@chiller.compaq.com) Datsun/Fairlady Roadsters (send requests to datsun-roadsters-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu) Dodge Stealth/Mitsubishi 3000GT (send requests to stealth-req%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu) Eclipse/Talon/Laser (send requests to diginst!talon-request@radius.com) Electric Vehicles (send requests to info-ev-request@ymir.claremont.edu) Exotic-Cars (send requests to exotic-cars-request@sol.asl.hitachi.com) Fabrication (race cars) (send requests to racefab@pms703.pms.ford.com) Hondas listserv@brownvm.brown.edu; use standard listserv subscription procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be "sub HONDA-L your-real-name" with no subject line in the header Hot rods (send requests to hotrod-request@dixie.com) International Harvester (discussion of Scouts, pickups, etc.) (send requests to ihc-request@balltown.cma.com) Italian Cars (send requests to italian-cars-request@balltown.cma.com; both regular and digest forms available) Jaguars (send requests to scott@wapsy.uwa.oz.au) Kit Cars (send requests to kitcar-request@cs.usask.ca) Land Rovers (send requests to land-rover-owner-request@stratus.com) Lotus (send requests to lotus-cars-request@netcom.com) Mazdas (send requests to mazda-list-request@ms.uky.edu) Miata listserv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu; use standard listserv subscription procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be "sub miata your-real-name" with no subject line in the header Merkurs (send requests to merkur-request@pcad.UUCP) Mopar (mostly high performance Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth products. send requests to mopar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) MR2 (send requests to mr2-interest-request@validgh.com) Mustangs There are two lists, the first is for Mustangs through 1973, the second for Mustangs from 1980 on. nobody cares about the Mustang II, so don't ask. classic: (send requests to classic-mustangs-request@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com) modern: (send requests to mustangs-request@cup.hp.com) Offroad & 4X4 (send requests to offroad-request@ai.gtri.gatech.edu) Porsches (send requests to porschephiles-request@tta.com) Portland, Oregon Motorsports Activities (send requests to pdxracer-request@reed.edu) Race Car Fabrication (send requests to racefab@pms703.pms.ford.com) Rally (send requests to rally-request@stratus.com) RX7 (send requests to jjn@cblpf.ATT.COM) Saabs (send requests to saab@network.mhs.compuserve.com) Saturn (send requests to saturn-request@oar.net) School (high performance driving schools) (send requests to school-request@balltown.cma.com) Sentra SE-R, G20, N2000 (send requests to se-r-request@world.std.com) Supras (send requests to supras-request@vicor.com) Toyota (send requests to toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us) Triumph TR7/V8, TR8 (send requests to jtc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) Volvos (requests to swedishbricks-request@me.rochester.edu) Wheel-to-Wheel Racing (forum for race drivers, workers, crew, and wannabes; send requests to wheeltowheel-request@abingdon.sun.com) Z-Cars (Nissan/Datsun) (send requests to z-car-request@dixie.com) ***End Included Data*** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 17:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Polyurethane Bushings Well, I finally got around to installing the polyurethane bushings in my front and rear suspension. I replaced front control arm and sway bar bushings and rear control arm and lateral arm bushings. For my '78 Celica Liftback the improvement in handling has been *extremely* good. Installation was a leisurely two day affair. No special tools were required. I used by large sockets and a vise for removing the old rubber junk and a generic puller to get the steering knuckles off the control arms. (I decided to bleed the brakes while I was at it). The bushings came from Energy Suspensions here in California. I posted info on them awhile back on the Toyota list. Will repost if so requested. By the way, one of the control arm bushings showed a bit of slop when I installed it. I called Energy Suspensions for clarification and ended up talking to one of their engineers. He was real helpful and indicated that some "play" was to be expected. However, just to be sure, he recheck his drawings, grabbed two bushings from his stock and then sent them to me no charge. Pretty cool. For about $100 this was definitely worth it. Now, however, I need to pull the springs and Bilsteins off the rear. I've had them since '85 and they're on their last legs as far as I'm concerned. Anybody got some recommendations on springs? What's the latest on Koni's? Can anybody give me a description of how the rear sway bar is attached on the 80-81 Celica's? I'm wondering if I can kluge one to my '78???? Cheers, Clark '78 Celica my hobby '89 944s2 my burden '67 Lisa my wife! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 9 Dec 93 16:41:23 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Mindless Delusions (Toyota Tech Number) Errr...i worked today teaching at my high school..on my break I printed out my Mailbox..and I was back reading all the articles... I was wondering.... The "Toyota Assistance Center" Is that the same as the Toyota Tech Line ? The Number for the "tech" line is 1-800-331-4331 The last time I called there They were kinna helpful pointinmg out stuff I didn;t know about or think about reguarly =) Or maybe I 'm jus not used to working in the day time... Forgive my6 Bubbles...I gonna take a nap now.. -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 09:00:33 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: me/mine/mods ...and we welcome another new member, Benjamin Tan. As you will see from his introduction, Benjamin seems to already have a grip on modifying his Corolla. Any 4KC gurus out there? Benjamin, the only comments I would make is that you must get those valves and exhaust opened up to see the real beauty of the Webber Carb. You didn't mention if you were going to stick with the downdraft or go to the sidedraft. Obviously, the side draft is much better if you can afford them. If not, the 32/36 is probably the way to go. I am running a dual 38 on my Celica, but that is only good if you aren't concerned with smooth starts. Since it is a synchronous, both of those barrels open up at once, and it can be kinna much if you aren't trying to race. Once again, we welcome our first member from Singapore. You're closes neighbors right now are probably Murray in Australia and Koji in Hawaii. Koji is probably one of the best Corolla gurus on the list. Hey Koji, wake up and tell this guy something intelligible about his Corolla! Chris >>>>>Benjiman Tan<<<<< Hi. Sorry for this delayed reply. My connection to the net has been a little erratic. > Thank you for your request to be added to the toyota-mods mailing list. > This is a relatively small list (about 50 people) who are heavily into > Toyota performance modifications. We are not an elitist group, but we > do like to limit our membership to those with either a strong working > knowledge of performance and/or Toyota's, or those who have a strong > desire to learn these subjects. Well I'd say that I should qualify at least for the latter, if not the former, requirement. Can't claim to have a "strong working knowledge of Toyotas" but I do think I know what, in general terms, I need to do to get a performace boost. As requested: Name : Benjamin Tien-Ping Tan email : btptan@solomon.technet.sg Location : Jurong, Singapore Model : '79 Toyota Corolla KE30 Engine : 4K-C Mods : As from above, the 3K-C was swapped for a 4K-C 4-Speed gearbox swapped for a 5-Speed (4 + 1 overdrive) Fan has been swapped out for an electric. 12KV coil swapped for a 60KV Megapower Firepower Race Coil (BTW, I use Splitfires and love 'em) Dumped original air filter for a K&N Suspension lowered Mods-to-be-done Looking at doing up the exhaust from the original (soon as I get 4-2-1 to a 4-2-1.5 and 1.5 all the way to the back. some advice from Also looking at the Weber. Now comparing it vs the the experts here) SU. Some have told me "no comparision". In the perhaps not so immediate future (the Weber comes first, unless I have the order wrong), I'm looking at swapping the original CAM for something with high lift. Wondering-if- Electronic Ignition. Any comments on this? should-be- done-mods BTW, anyone on the list from ".sg"? bentan >>>>><<<<< xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 04:23:13 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Singapore ! >...and we welcome another new member, Benjamin Tan. As you will see >from his introduction, Benjamin seems to already have a grip on >modifying his Corolla. Any 4KC gurus out there? K series motors...good motor...High Rpm range...jus put it in a light body and you have a screamer that can beat a Grand National down a 1/4 stretch/. >Benjamin, the only comments I would make is that you must get those >valves and exhaust opened up to see the real beauty of the Webber Carb. >You didn't mention if you were going to stick with the downdraft or go >to the sidedraft. Obviously, the side draft is much better if you can >afford them. If not, the 32/36 is probably the way to go. I am running >a dual 38 on my Celica, but that is only good if you aren't concerned >with smooth starts. Since it is a synchronous, both of those barrels >open up at once, and it can be kinna much if you aren't trying to race. In Singapore the dual Carb manifold is onyl $60 i belive so take advantage and get it. >Once again, we welcome our first member from Singapore. You're closes >neighbors right now are probably Murray in Australia and Koji in >Hawaii. Koji is probably one of the best Corolla gurus on the list. >Hey Koji, wake up and tell this guy something intelligible about his >Corolla! I'm kinna fubar in RL at the moment but if >I< was to get serious and >I< lived in Singapore, I would go down to one of those shops and get a 1G-GTE and shove that sukker in my corolla if >I< wanted to get serious. >Chris >>>>>Benjiman Tan<<<<< >Hi. Sorry for this delayed reply. My connection to the net has been a >little erratic. Try a Link from Hawaii...>I< can relate =) >> Thank you for your request to be added to the toyota-mods mailing >>list. >> This is a relatively small list (about 50 people) who are heavily into >> Toyota performance modifications. We are not an elitist group, but we >> do like to limit our membership to those with either a strong working >> knowledge of performance and/or Toyota's, or those who have a strong >> desire to learn these subjects. >Well I'd say that I should qualify at least for the latter, if not the >former, requirement. Can't claim to have a "strong working knowledge of >Toyotas" but I do think I know what, in general terms, I need to do to >get a performace boost. >As requested: > Name : Benjamin Tien-Ping Tan > email : btptan@solomon.technet.sg > Location : Jurong, Singapore > Model : '79 Toyota Corolla KE30 > Engine : 4K-C > Mods : As from above, the 3K-C was swapped for a 4K-C > 4-Speed gearbox swapped for a 5-Speed (4 + 1 overdrive) > Fan has been swapped out for an electric. > 12KV coil swapped for a 60KV Megapower Firepower Race Coil > (BTW, I use Splitfires and love 'em) > Dumped original air filter for a K&N > Suspension lowered I belive the 4kc model comes with a Turbo option on some models this so ? =) Sorry what is a KE30 ? thats a Sedan model ? I'm kinna sketchy with my K series cars.... >Mods-to-be-done Looking at doing up the exhaust from the original >(soon as I get 4-2-1 to a 4-2-1.5 and 1.5 all the way to the back. >some advice from Also looking at the Weber. Now comparing it vs the >the experts here) SU. Some have told me "no comparision". > In the perhaps not so immediate future (the Weber > comes first, unless I have the order wrong), I'm > looking at swapping the original CAM for something > with high lift. Try Japan or switch motors..I've seen the videos with the turbo motors sitting on the sidewalks which >I< would die for ! =) with full electronics ! >Wondering-if- Electronic Ignition. Any comments on this? >should-be- >done-mods Electronic ignition is okay..it all depends. I liked switching cause of "less" things to worry about or replace but the 3TC motor HAS to run a 2TC distrubitor when you runs duals, so i just swapped the insides or grabbed a 1977 or so Dist and put that thing in =) For the K series motor I would try ask Roger in Canada since he might knwo the guys in NYC that run the 10 second K series motors and beat the Grand Nationals ! >BTW, anyone on the list from ".sg"? Doubt it...wanna ship me a 1 g gte motor ? I'll pay !!! =) >bentan Aloha...catch me when I'm sober or such..i'll respond with more intelligence if thats possible...if not the K series motor is good..but it depends on what you wanna do and get out of it. MOST of the Singapore cars i've seen got the 1g-gte motor inside swapped in and those are intense...Thats what >I< would do instead of building a K series motor the old techonology works but the newer technology is much easier for streetable use ! and beyond ! -Allen T "koji" Kam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 09:42:48 EST From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Polyurethane Bushings > > Well, I finally got around to installing the polyurethane bushings in my > front and rear suspension. I replaced front control arm and sway bar > bushings and rear control arm and lateral arm bushings. For my '78 Celica > Liftback the improvement in handling has been *extremely* good. > I am very interested to hear how this goes. I have resisted doing this so far to my 'street' car because of problems with rattles and NVH that several members of the now defunct 'Toyota Sport Car Club' reported. (anybody remember this club? One of the finest car clubs I have ever been a member of, I was truly sad when it was dissolved. I still have many of the clubs newsletters, which are packed with useful infomation.) Warmest Holiday Greetings, Jon Hacker PS Clutch experts... can a worn pilot bearing make drivetrain noise with the clutch engaged? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: arvidj@aol.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 11:30:17 EST Subject: Re: Polyurethane Bushings Jon, >PS Clutch experts... The term does not apply to me!! >can a worn pilot bearing make drivetrain noise with >the clutch engaged? Taking the question literally, no. The transmission input shaft would be turning at the same speed as the pilot bearing, and held rather firmly by the clutch disk. Both of these should prevent any interaction between the pilot bearing and input shaft that would cause noise. If we expand the question a little to allow that a worn pilot bearing may cause the input shaft to come into contact with the transmission nose piece the input shaft lives in, or that the bearings in the transmission may have become worn and are making strange noises because the pilot bearing was not holding up it's end of the input shaft properly, then an indirect yes may be in order. Food for thought, Arvid xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Phillip Dang Subject: dealers of perf. parts To: The Toyota Mods Mailing List I accidentally deleted the listing of businesses dealing in performance parts. Could someone please send me another. Off the subject, but is it worth it to call to a dealership in another city to buy parts from them? I ask this because I'm in the middle of changing my distributor car and wires and the local dealer is asking for $75. The other dealer I called, down in LA, is asking for $65. Yeah, it's only $10 savings, but I'm a student trying to make ends meet. I appreciate any help, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Phillip Dang pdang@ctp.org San Francisco, California 87 Celica ST, 3S-FE, 74K miles xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 13:53:33 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Oil Additive Report Hey gang, there's and excellent report on oil additives in rec.auto. It was way too long to post to everybody, but it would be well worth your time to get it. If you are just a bottom line person: Don't use _any_ of them, with the possible exception of folks who race and rebuild every coupla hundred miles. They are largely detrimental to your engine (especially PTFE/Slick 50.) What I appreciate is that is achieves this bottom line by taking a sensible, logical approach to existing facts, and not just anecdotal evidence or hearsay. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 14:45:38 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Hot Shifter >I have a strange problem with my '83 Celica. The area around the shift >stick and gear-box gets a little warmer than I think is normal. Anyone >else out there with a similar problem ? >Be glad to hear your suggestions. My '80 4X4 did the same thing! Ray Bahr xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 12:35:38 -0800 From: Brian Goble To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Hot Shifter My '80 Supra stick shift would get pretty warm on longer trips...I never worried about it. My '88 Supra (Turbo) doesn't do that though (I would worry if it did! :) -Brian ==)------------ Brian Goble | goble@hardy.u.washington.edu "Finishing a close second means you didn't win." ------------(== xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10 Dec 1993 13:49:28 U From: "Jim Chott" Subject: Re: Hot Shifter To: "toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.#024#" [hot shifter stuff deleted] I would just check to make sure there is enough oil in it, otherwise, normal operating temps on trannys and diffs are pretty hot. Hot enough that you can't touch them comfortably, 140+ deg F comes to mind, so I'm sure some of that heat transferring up the shifter is normal. BTW, my 85 4x4 tranny gets hot on long trips also. Jim Chott rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 12:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Phillip Dang Subject: distributor cap and wires To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Chris Myer and Edward Wang, thanks for your helpful advice. I gave Stevens Creek Toyota, (408) 984-2311, a call: distributor cap and wires for 87 Celica ST: $65 AAA discount: %10 shipping via UPS: ~$2 total: ~$65 Thanks again, Phil 87 Celica ST, 3S-FE xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 14:26:35 PST From: edwang@lsil.com (Ed Wang - 7837) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Hot Shifter > >>I have a strange problem with my '83 Celica. The area around the shift >>stick and gear-box gets a little warmer than I think is normal. Anyone >>else out there with a similar problem ? >>Be glad to hear your suggestions. > >My '80 4X4 did the same thing! > >Ray Bahr > My 91 4x4 does the same thing! Edward Wang (408) GEE-STEP Fax: (408) 954-4874 edwang@up171.lsil.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Polyurethane Bushings Jon Hacker writes: I am very interested to hear how this goes. I have resisted doing this so far to my 'street' car because of problems with rattles and NVH that several members of the now defunct 'Toyota Sport Car Club' reported. -+- With a '78 Celica, rattles are a way of life, along with the groans and squeaks. There is definitely a price to be paid when "firming" up the suspension. Since my bushing mod, I now have a new rattle emanating from the steering column. Just part of that symphony my vehicle has become over the years. I will say that I greased all metal/polyurethane interfaces well and cleaned up any places where rubbing was going to happen. So far no squeaks. There's something coming from the right rear, but my guess its the shock mount. We'll see. By the way, what's "NVH"??? Is it contagious, is there a vaccine?? Happy Trails . . . Clark '78 Celica '89 944s2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 14:47:43 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Bad Synthetics ! >Hey gang, there's and excellent report on oil additives in rec.auto. It >was way too long to post to everybody, but it would be well worth your >time to get it. If you are just a bottom line person: Don't use _any_ >of them, with the possible exception of folks who race and rebuild every >coupla hundred miles. They are largely detrimental to your engine >(especially PTFE/Slick 50.) Chris....as you proably know I don't read that usenet group anymore but my friend "Ted" does and keeps me informed of the latest things. IMHO (and Pat's) the only time you should NOT use additives is when you rebuild your motor and are breaking it in. RACERS NEVER use "Additives" on a "new" motor. It just don't make sense. You do more harm to the motor then good. Most additives are made to extend the life and lubrication of your motor. Thus is why if you read the labels it clearly states. >What I appreciate is that is achieves this bottom line by taking a >sensible, logical approach to existing facts, and not just anecdotal >evidence or hearsay. Really? Hmmm....this is what >I< use. I use Mobile 1 oil. I also use Redline synthetics, rather something new and it helps a lot in your motor. Slick 50 is the big thing that came out too cause of err that place that "invented it" and they saying all this stuff about it but in most instances this is not correct. I used Slick 50 in my rear end gears. To keep it from "slipping" and "biting harsher". HOWEVER if you are a TRUE racer and worried about "ET" and "reaction times" then you WANT a little slippage. I've read the discussion about it, but most of those aspects don't apply in the Real World. Slick 50 for the motor isnt necessary if you run good synthetic motor oil or something like the Gold Eagle (Amway oil i'm pretty sure it is) the Freedom synehtic. If you want "horsepower" out of the oil then thats a different story but basically any synthetic is good for your motor if you want less wear and tear. I dunno most of these postings by those guys are sorta senseless. Down to the point, Yes...I agree with them on the final result. BUT in real life applications it makes no sense in what they are saying. BTW would you listen to the same guys that said Japan technology sucks and yet the the guy owns a Probe and another a SHO and their motor comes from Japan ? I've had flame wars through mail and people are jus too prejudice on the usenet on certain aspects. >Chris Aloha Chris... -Allen T "Koji" Kam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: GRAHAM@cc1.unt.edu To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:27:51 CST6CDT Subject: Re: Hot Shifter >I would just check to make sure there is enough oil in it, >otherwise, normal operating temps on trannys and diffs are pretty >hot. Hot enough that you can't touch them comfortably, 140+ deg F >comes to mind, so I'm sure some of that heat transferring up the >shifter is normal. >Jim Chott >rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com Uncomfortable to the touch? I've never experienced this on my 4runner. Over the TG weekend, I put a new Centerforce clutch in my 4runner. Before draining the tranny and transfer case gear oil, I drove it for about an hour to heat them up (highway and off-road). When I drained out the oil, the oil was relatively hot, but not the casings. Didn't notice overly hot diff casings when I changed all the gear oils out last spring either. BTW, I'm using Redline synthetic gear oils all the way around. Hmmm... Can't really help with the hot shifters. You might check the rubber boots (my 4runner has one at the top of the transmission, and one up the stick a ways in the cab). But my experience has shown that a torn boot just makes things a little draftier. Certainly a good idea to check your tranny oil level too. mike xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 06:16:34 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Singapore ! >Now the only thing is a Slight, Minor, Small problem I have here in >Singapore. You ready for this? *ssshhh* Most Engine Mods (if not virtually >all) are illegal. *ahem* Did I say something? You hear anything? Engine swaps are legal if >I< was correct in understanding. Shove in a bigger motor =) Those damm boats got those turbo motors in it so why don't you =) (geee..i hope i'm thinking of the right country -grin) What they don't see...don't hurt them...the 4k motor can crank up to 11k rpm with modification and run 15's with a "progressive type carb" >Ok, so now that we have things in the right perspective, what I need really >are mods that are either difficult to detect, at a glance (the checks aren't >very thorough), or something I could stand to remove, replace, and refit >again, on an annual basis. :-( eg Internal mods. CAM? Bores...stroker kits...cams...can't detect them =) Cam timing gears =) >I was originally given the (wrong) impression that a Webber would LOOK >normal on my 4K-C. Obviously, that isn't going to be. So how long does it >take to fit? It will...jus tell them the "weber" like "progressive" type carb is a "stock" replacement and a HELL of a lot cheaper then a "stock" one...it works down here =) so it shoudl there i think =) It takes about 15 mins tops to install one..not hard if you get the adaptor plates and all =) easy =) bolts right up to the stock bolt pattern >Also, I'm now asking around (I'll post to the group shortly) for good >exhaust systems that Don't give themselves away just by the sound they make, >ie relatively silent, yet efficient, exhausts. Switch motors then custom one...jus tell the shop you want the freeest flow possible with minimum sound..proably cost stateside $140 or so...and it will be quiet =) >Oh well, such is life in Singapore. Hawaii's worse =) >> Once again, we welcome our first member from Singapore. >Might be your last.. :-) I'm the only Hawaii member ! >> You're closes >> neighbors right now are probably Murray in Australia and Koji in >> Hawaii. Koji is probably one of the best Corolla gurus on the list. >> Hey Koji, wake up and tell this guy something intelligible about his >> Corolla! -->>Koji: Hi! Any comments? Errr...I posted a note back..not sure if my mailer deamon sent it out or not but I would suggest an engine swap. Like a 1g-gte or something like that and don't have to worry about such trivial "modifications" jus play with the boost and its most economical ! Go with Techonology ! >bentan Ever been to the truck races ? or the big races down there? I'vee seen video footage of it ! Looks intense ! -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | | | Allen T "Koji" Kam kamallen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu | | tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | | | Live Life, Taste Death....Speed is Pure !!!!!!! 1980 Toyota Trueno | | Don't let up till you see RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan / BFG / 5Zigen / HKS / Mikuni / MSD / SSR / TRD / Toyo / Yokohama | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Jari Porhio Subject: Re: Singapore ! To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota modifications mailing list) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:34:45 +0200 (GMT) < You (Allen T "Koji" Kam) wrote something like: > > K series motors...good motor...High Rpm range...jus put it in a light > body and > you have a screamer that can beat a Grand National down a 1/4 stretch/. I just can't beleive this. The modifications must go beyond any reasonable level. (I mean tell me mooore.) ____________________________________________________________________________ Jari Porhio eppu@cc.tut.fi : No offence :) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 12:05:56 -0500 From: John Red-Horse To: toyota@quack.kfu.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Probs w/ 88 Camry (was: No Subject) Hello all, Jim posted this the other day and feeling only partially qualified to help (although not shy about giving opinions :) I felt it would be better to throw it back to the group (including those on toy-mods). Perhaps we can all learn something on this one: > In article <199312102021.AA03172@quack.kfu.com>, jwwhite writes: jim> I have a 1988 Camry DLX (4 cyl engine) with 53,000 miles on it. jim> It has been serviced regularly at more or less the recommended jim> intervals. I went out to start it the other day and heard a jim> load clunking noise from the engine compartment. It sounded jim> like something was in one of the cylinders. I turned it off jim> immediately and had it towed to my A loud clunking sound? Did it persist? I'm assuming you meant while it was running... Was it regular or intermittent? jim> local dealer, where I normally have major service items done. jim> They took the pan and the valve covers off and said everything jim> looked fine. They then took the head off and found a ring jim> (approx 1/8 inch thick) of carbon deposited at the top of each jim> cylinder and on the top of each Carbon itself is to be expected. That's why there's such a tool as a ridge reamer for engine rebuilders. I've rebuilt a few engines and have yet to actually have to use one though. So, yes this does sound a bit excessive. jim> piston. I went over and saw this for myself yesterday. The jim> dealer tells me it is the worst case they have ever seen. They jim> suggest that the pistons be removed and cleaned. If damaged, jim> they suggest replacement. They want $2300 to do this. The car jim> is driven approximately 30 miles per day, 5 days a week, about jim> 50% of which is freeway driving at the speed limit. I have jim> several questions: jim> 1. The car does not burn oil. I run regular unloaded gas as jim> the owners manual recommends. Where did the excessive carbon jim> buildup come from? Could something be defective? It could be that your engine is running too rich. This could point to either a fuel system flaw, or a defective cold start circuit. Have you done the tuneups yourself? Evidence can often be found on your spark plugs. Do you have any of the old ones laying around? Some repair manuals (such as those by Haynes) show pictures of proper wear, etc on spark plugs. jim> 2. How could the pistons be damaged? Wouldn't any carbon dust jim> that fell over the edge of the pistons be sitting on the top jim> ring? They said they may be cracked. Would carbon buildup jim> cause a piston to crack? Seems to me it might cause damage to jim> the top ring, but no more. The only way that I can figure is if they damage them when they clean them. I can't imagine the hard engine parts (such as pistons, etc) costing nearly so much as the labor involved in doing the replacement. Without knowing much about the specifics, I'm at a bit of a loss about why someone would tear your engine down as far as it has been without a bunch of prior diagnostic tests. It escapes me why you would hear a clunking sound from carbon buildup. My first suspicion would've been a rod bearing, but, again you don't say what diagnostic procedures were performed before your engine got torn down. jim> 3. There is no apparent damage at the top of the jim> cylinders. Shouldn't this mean there is no damage down below? jim> Wouldn't they be able to tell since they have pulled the pan and jim> said all is well? (They did say that the bearings show "normal" jim> wear.) Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes cracks are microscopic. Then again, they may be implying that the cleaning process itself may potentially harm your pistons. jim> 4. The car passed emissions in June. Shouldn't it have failed? It depends on what the emissions were being tested for and how stringent the criteria were. My guess is that, if you were burning excessively rich, some clue might have been gotten via exhaust gases. But remember, that's what your catalytic converter is for---that thing gets dang hot, definitely hot enough to mask problems! jim> At this point, I am thinking that cleaning the carbon off of the jim> pistons and cylinder walls without removing the pistons would be jim> adequate. Then I would just be out more labor $$$ and the price jim> of a new head gasket. Does this seem reasonable? Guess I don't jim> see the need to tear the pistons out and think the dealer is try jim> to milk me. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Two points: (1) *Never* take your car to a dealer! (2) How much more do you think that you'll be milked. I mean they've already torn your engine down. It's really not that much more work to take out the pistons. Also, how could they tell that your rod bearings were OK without already doing this? Since you're already into these guys for a bunch of $$, my recommendation would be to have them take the pistons out, clean them and the cylinder walls and to replace the rod bearings. hope this helps, john ------ John Red-Horse jrredho@sandia.gov Structural Dynamics & Vibration Control Sandia National Laboratories (505)845-9190 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 08:45:29 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: pilot bearing [waz: Re: Polyurethane Bushings] Aaron writes: > Is there an easy way to tell if the pilot bearing is going out without > taking out the tranny? I don't think so. The specified way of checking the internal bearings on a transmission is to remove the tranny and measure the play in the shaft (special tool required?) If the play is greater that that given in the manual, it is time for a rebuild. After having two go on my truck, I would recommend to anyone that if you are hearing noises from your tranny, get it checked by someone competent immediately. The only difference between my first and second tranny failures was the fact that I let the first one go until the noise became _very_ loud. Not only couldn't Toyota rebuild it, they didn't even want it back as a core. Told me to use it as a boat anchor. Second one I took in just as it started whining. They rebuilt it and fixed the design flaw that was causing the problem. FWIW Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 13 Dec 1993 08:22:38 U From: "Jim Chott" Subject: Re: Hot Shifter To: "toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.c" >Uncomfortable to the touch? I've never experienced this on >my 4runner. Over the TG weekend, I put a new Centerforce >clutch in my 4runner. Before draining the tranny and transfer >case gear oil, I drove it for about an hour to heat them up >(highway and off-road). When I drained out the oil, the oil >was relatively hot, but not the casings. Didn't notice overly >hot diff casings when I changed all the gear oils out last >spring either. BTW, I'm using Redline synthetic gear oils >all the way around. Hmmm... Maybe the synthetics help in keeping things running cooler. I know when I swapped the limited slip in the rear, I couldn't touch the oil and internals for a while after about a 20 mile ride. Now that I think about it, that was in August in Phoenix, and may have been 100+ deg F outside. Even when I check fluids in Xfer case or tranny, the oil can burn my finger when I touch it. Again, it may have been real hot outside, like it sometimes is here. The shifter itself never gets too hot to touch, though. Jim rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 16:09:10 PST From: edwang@lsil.com (Ed Wang - 7837) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Hot Shifter >>Uncomfortable to the touch? I've never experienced this on >>my 4runner. Over the TG weekend, I put a new Centerforce >>clutch in my 4runner. Before draining the tranny and transfer >>case gear oil, I drove it for about an hour to heat them up >>(highway and off-road). When I drained out the oil, the oil >>was relatively hot, but not the casings. Didn't notice overly >>hot diff casings when I changed all the gear oils out last >>spring either. BTW, I'm using Redline synthetic gear oils >>all the way around. Hmmm... > >Maybe the synthetics help in keeping things running cooler. I >know when I swapped the limited slip in the rear, I couldn't >touch the oil and internals for a while after about a 20 mile >ride. Now that I think about it, that was in August in Phoenix, >and may have been 100+ deg F outside. Even when I check >fluids in Xfer case or tranny, the oil can burn my finger when >I touch it. Again, it may have been real hot outside, like it >sometimes is here. The shifter itself never gets too hot to >touch, though. > >Jim >rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com > I am considering change my diff., xfer, and gear oil again soon. Last time I changed at 35K miles to Gear-Lube 85W90 with Slick50 manual added in. The Toyota manual does recommand 75W90 all the way around but I didn't find it. Now winter is here in California and every morning the shift is very hard when cold, but gets better when truck got warmed up. Now the question here is, after seen so many good points of synthetics, is it worthy to switch to synthetics, especially for 4x4 pickup truck. I go offroad a lot but drive most of the mileage on freeway. I do intend to keep the truck in good running condition for a long time. In case I switch do I have to follow a special procedure or just as another oil/gear oil change? Any pros and/or cons are greatly appreciated. Edward Wang (408) GEE-STEP Fax: (408) 954-4874 edwang@up171.lsil.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 09:38:25 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: 4AG article.. For you 4AG buffs out there, a semi decent article was featured in the December 93 issue of Fast Car magazine (British) "Corolla corollary" . Key points being a company called RM Motorsports, and its range of parts specifically for the 4AG engine. (e.g 2mm oversize valves vs TRD's 1.5 mm oversize valves), anti-reversion maniolds, steel cranks and Rods, Flywheel,Cams,clutches, pretty much everything to make the 4AG sing). Also this company through testing, has determined that the stock EFI system is good for up to 145 BHP max. I spoke to the owner Richard this week, and he has promised to send me some prices. If interested , I'll post the number. Another interesting tidbit in the article, is the fact, that you have to be careful when fitting high lift cams with long profiles on the 4AG head, as they can wipe the shim off of the bucket/follower. (I believe this is what TRD was reffering to when they state that their high lift cams, require modifications to the head.) -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 10:15:01 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: TRD Catalog Hey, does anyone know if TRD has released their new catalog yet? Also, does it have enough new info to make it worth $5 to someone who has the last one? Just curious -- Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 11:08:11 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: TRD Catalog >Hey, does anyone know if TRD has released their new catalog yet? Also, >does it have enough new info to make it worth $5 to someone who has the >last one? > >Just curious As the story goes, there's good news, and there's bad news. The Good news, is that TRD no longer charges for their "catalog", The bad news, is that you don't get the glossy color catalog as in the past. It seems like they have consolidated the price list, and the catalog, and made it specific for a particular chassis. What you now get is a "chassis sheet" with a few B&W photos with prices and part numbers on the same page. The longest info sheet If I recall correctly contains 5 pages worth of information (For the Corollas). The chasis sheets for the corollas (AE86 & AE92) list additional parts, which are now listed as "Atlantic Championship parts". They also list parts specific for the SWIFT and Reynard chasis as used in Formula Atlantic. Gone are the days when they refered to their cams as "Good midrange torque" or "Bottom end is not strong" instead they have specs such as "302,7.6mm,100 degrees BTDC" -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 8:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Synthetic Oils Ed W. asks about the benefits of synthetic oils. . . The general rules for when synthetics are a plus are these: If your vehicle is regularly exposed to temperature extremes, especially the cold, cold end, use synthetics. If you use your vehicle for towing, use synthetics If you plan to keep your vehicle for a LONG, LONG time, use synthetics If you race (i.e. high rpm, high temperature driving), use synthetics If your rich, use synthetics :) These are the one's I've picked up over the years. Any additions?? Clark '78 Celica my hobby '89 944s2 my burden '67 Lisa my wife! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 14:29:37 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: New Member! Welcome to the list Stephen Ferguson, our newest member. As you will see below, Stephen has some rally/autocross experience that should be valuable to the group. Stephen, I am sure you will find that the group has quite a bit to offer in the way of ideas for your car as well. (Is that the 4AG engine?) >>>>>Stephen Ferguson<<<<< Who am I? Stephen Ferguson. Underfunded graduate student toiling away on a seemingly endless Masters thesis in Mechanical Engineering at Queen's University. What do I drive? 1987 Corolla GT-S (rear wheel drive). I don't think they bothered selling these in the US in '87 (and maybe even '86) as I believe you got the FX-16 GT-S. Anyway, same sweet engine coupled with the heavier but infinitely more fun (and stylish, I think!) body of the RWD liftback. How do I drive? Sensibly on the road, like a madman on closed courses or roads that I can see are empty for miles! I've done some parking lot autocrosses, some "rallycrosses" in the mud and snow and lots of navigational rallies. What have I done to my car? Not much (see point about being underfunded grad student). Car's pretty good as is (but it can always be better). "Wish" list (for when I get out this summer and start making $$$ again). Suspension mods that are a nice compromise between handling and northern frost-heaved roads. More power - possible installation of blower from MR2 Brake upgrades >>>>><<<<< xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 14:39:58 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Another New Member! I keep telling myself to wait and send out all the new members at the end of the day, because as soon as I send one, I am sure to get another. Anyway, welcome Michael Barre, Toyota owner from New Orleans. I'm not sure if Michael is a native "coon-ass" (as they call themselves) or not, since I've not gotten to know him, but I do believe that he is our first member from Louisiana. Welcome aboard, Michael! >>>>>Michael Barre<<<<< Hello Toyota crafters, I am Michael Barre, from New Orleans, I drive a '90 Toyota Xtra Cab (22RE engine) that is still stock except for a coat of rock-guard in the bed, a bug deflector on the hood, and 215 70R14's all around. Two of the more immediate mods I would like to make are to decrease the body roll and put firmer shocks in the front. Once the truck is paid for, I can start beefing up the engine. I am a member of the S.C.C.A., Delta Region, and plan on using this daily driven truck in autocross (until I can save enough for a dedicated race car), and am looking forward to hearing about your Toyota modification experiences. Respectfully, Michael >>>>><<<<< xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 13:27:11 -0800 From: Brian Goble To: supras@vicor.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: EVC from HKS I'm thinking about getting an EVC from HKS for my '88 Supra Turbo. I've been talking with another member on the list who recently installed one in his '89 Supra Turbo and he really likes it. Does anybody else have any info/warnings/comments/etc on the EVC? As some of you may recall, I have already installed an HKS Turbo Exhaust and a K&N Filter. In addition, I am trying to stay legal from stock autox so I would have to see if I could just turn the EVC off and still be ok for local autox events. The HKS catalog explains how the EVC can reduce turbo lag...I didn't quite follow/understand their explanation but another user has verified that turbo lag is reduced. Any comments or better explanation on how this is possible would be appreciated. Thanx! -Brian ('88 Supra Turbo) ==)------------ Brian Goble | goble@hardy.u.washington.edu "Finishing a close second means you didn't win." ------------(== xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 14:45:30 PST From: edwang@lsil.com (Ed Wang - 7837) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Mail order Toyota parts Hi everyone, Someone posted that he can (or knows how to) get toyota factory parts through mail order. Does anyone have this info or phone number? Please help! I need brake pads (and other parts) again and dealer asks $65/pair. How does aftermarket pads compare to factory ones. They are cheaper, harder and makes great noises and wears your discs out faster, right? :-) Ps it's for 4x4 pickup front brake. Thanks. '84 Cressida, my x owns it. (was my dear baby and worked on a lot. :-c ) '82 Collora, cheap 'n good car, sold. '79 Celica, very cheap but totaled. '85 Camry, good, burden, for sale. '91 4x4 PU, new baby, hobby, high $ to op. (parts/insur/regis/gas) :-) Edward Wang (408) GEE-STEP Fax: (408) 954-4874 edwang@up171.lsil.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 14 Dec 1993 16:47:23 U From: "Jim Chott" Subject: Re: Mail order Toyota parts To: "toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.c" > Someone posted that he can (or knows how to) get toyota factory >parts through mail order. Does anyone have this info or phone >number? I wasn't the poster, but in the back of Four Wheeler (tm) magazine there is a company called Brown's Toyota City which advertises genuine Toyota parts at wholesale prices. They claim to carry anything the dealer carries, catalog is $3. They list a Toyota brake pad kit for trucks and 4Runners for $26.95 and oil filters for $39.90 for a case of 10. Almost sounds too good to be true. I have never ordered from them, anyone else? Number is 1-800-848-4451 and they're in Glen Burnie, Maryland Also, this is from a May 93 magazine, so things may have gone up. Jim Chott rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 16:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Phillip Dang Subject: K&N air filter benefits To: The Toyota Mods Mailing List I'm in the process of replacing my distributor, spark plugs, etc. I had to unmantle the air filter to get to the distributor. My question is: would I gain any advantages if I install a K&N air filter in my car? After all, it is an 87 Celica ST with auto tranny, not turbo, not stick. Well, I thought that this would be a place to start my mods... Any advice appreciated, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Phillip Dang pdang@ctp.org San Francisco, California 87 Celica ST, 3S-FE xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: Larger Coil => Larger sparkplug gap? To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 14:08:15 +0800 (WST) Engine in Question: 4K-C Hello to everyone out there. This is my first post, hope this isn't an old topic. I've swapped the stock 12KV coil in my '79 KE30 to a "Megapower Firepower" racing coil, 60KV. I'm using "Top-Gun Gold" leads (don't know if you guys get this brand. It's getting popular in .sg) and Splitfire plugs. According to specs for the 4K-C (correct me if I'm wrong) the gapping for the plugs should be 0.043in (1.1mm?). I've been told, by a not-always-trustable friend :-), that with the coil swap I can (should?) increase the gapping of the plugs. Can someone verify this? If so, by how much. What will the side-effects be? Warmer engine? Thanks. bentan '79 Corolla KE30 (4K-C) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 09:03:37 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Mail order Toyota parts > Almost sounds too good to be true. I have never > ordered from them, anyone else? I ordered from them many years ago. No problems that I remember, but I do remember feeling like they advertise a few things _incredibly_ low, but most of their other stuff being "regular" price. Like the filters being dirt cheap. I'd be really interested in finding out what someone else thinks. Sorta that same concept as the chain drug stores selling aspirin for dirt, but charging quite a bit more for their prescriptions. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 09:16:08 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Larger Coil => Larger sparkplug gap? > I've been told, by a not-always-trustable friend :-), that with the coil > swap I can (should?) increase the gapping of the plugs. Can someone > verify this? If so, by how much. What will the side-effects be? Warmer > engine? Your friend is right. How much is the difficult question. With my Jacobs System, they recommend moving the gap apart by about .0005 at a time, then checking your performance/mileage. It should go up a bit as the gap widens, and then start to decrease when the gap gets too wide. They say spread it until the performance drops, and then go back by .0005. Personally, I don't know anything about this. I do know that I made the mistake of pulling the coil wire so that I could turn the engine over without it starting. As the engine turned over, I heard this slapping sound. I look up and a spark is jumping from the top of the Jacobs coil to the raised hood of the truck, at least a good 8-10 inches. I don't think you should gap your plug in the 8-10 inch range! :-) -- Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 09:19:57 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Mail order parts I have bought a lot of Totota, Nissan, Mazda parts mail order. These places are generally the wholesale departments of dealerships who want more business. I have used: - Russel Toyota Maryland 1-800-638-8401 - Lou Fusz Toyota 1-800-325-9581 - in the midwest somewhere - Brown's Toyota maryland - 1-800-848-4451 Lou Fusz also has a Nissan dealer, a Mazda dealer, a Chevy dealer and a lot more. They all sell parts at wholesale. You can save generally around 10-25% with these places and they are very helpful Ray Bahr xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 10:14:29 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Larger Coil => Larger sparkplug gap? >> I've been told, by a not-always-trustable friend :-), that with the >coil >> swap I can (should?) increase the gapping of the pl