Toyota-Mods Postings Feb 1994

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ _______ ^^^ ^^^ ,' - _ ^^^ ^^^ ________,'__________>>> - _ ^ ^^^ ^^^ , ' | ^^^ ^^^ ~I~ I~I \ / I~I ~I~ .~. _ I\/I I~I I~\ <~ ^^^ ^^^ I I_I | I_I I I~I I I I_I I_/ _> ^^^ ^^^ `---\__/----------------\__/----' ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ P O S T I N G S Feb 1994 ^^^ ^^^ --------------------------- ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 05:02:30 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Japan Spec Info... I got in touch with my sister in Japan... Did anyone want info on anything in Japan ? Besides Roger ? With the Suzuki Swift..shes there till the end of this semster I belive... and is willing to ride the train for me =) Please let me know... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji@interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Performance Fuel Pump Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 18:58:48 PST Welp, my mechanical fuel pump on my 82 Celica is leaking oil again. It seems I botched up my fuel pump installation again and I will redo it again in the next two weeks. Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine. Will the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase performance? I was looking at my TRD catalog and there is alot a performance webber carberator for the 22R engine. In terms of percentage, how much can I expect to gain from the webber carberator? Thanks, Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: TPHandbook To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:46:04 +0800 (WST) Anyone know a mail order book supplier (pref. with a email address) that carries the TPHandbook? I'm going nuts trying to find it in Singapore. Or anyone willing to mail me a copy? bentan xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:19:22 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Performance Fuel Pump > Welp, my mechanical fuel pump on my 82 Celica is leaking oil again. It seems > I botched up my fuel pump installation again and I will redo it again in the > next two weeks. Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in > a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine. Will > the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase > performance? I was looking at my TRD catalog and there is alot a performance > webber carberator for the 22R engine. In terms of percentage, how much can > I expect to gain from the webber carberator? > > Thanks, > Gary High performance fuel pumps will not give added performance to your Celica. On mine (the race car) with the dual 38's on it, the spec'd fuel pressure is still only 2.5 - 4 psi. More pressure just risks flooding the system. You _may_ get a little added power by capping the port for your mechanical fuel pump and installing a decent electrical one, but even then it might not be noticable. It should eliminate your oil leakage problem. As far as carbs go, the Webber 32/36 is an excellent, streetable carb that costs _less_ than the stock replacement. Remember, however, that your best performance gains will be seen because of a total volumetric efficiency boost, ie, get more air through that engine. In order to do that, you really need to add a cam and headers along with the carb to see a big difference. Another great source for the 2xR engine is LC engineering. Really good info if you are trying to decide what and how much you want to do. (Look in the supplier listing for info, the catalog is $5.00 and worth it.) Good Luck! -- _ ____| \__ '82 4x4 Christopher P. Myer {_^____^_} (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com) @ @ (407) 725-8742 ___ Melbourne, Florida ____/ ||:. '81 Celica GT <_^___81_^__) @ @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:34:39 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine > Hi. Can anyone confirm whether the 4K-C needs Leaded Gas? I know it "works" > with unleaded; I've tried (oops!).. What I'm wondering is if the specs say > leaded or unleaded. > > Thanks. > > bentan Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the following is accurate... Oil companies started putting lead into gasoline as a way to artificially and inexpensively raise the octane level of low-octane gas. An additional benefit of lead is that it serves as a lubricant of sorts, coating the operating surfaces of the engine much the same way as Slick 50, etc. Then folks started figuring out how deadly lead is, and the government banned it. (BTW, you can see that although lead is an additive, gas without lead is more expensive because it has to have higher octane without lead. Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running unleaded in it. On the other hand, if you run leaded (as most racing gas is, I believe) and your car has a catalytic converter, you will clog the converter and can cause it to get so hot that it can set things on fire. Like the time my wife parked on top of a pile of pine needles. (I was happy that they gave me $1000 for that clunker.) Hope this helps... -- Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:53:29 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: RE>>Celica MPG (80) > This must be a misprint, but my copy of the August 1982 Consumer Reports > report on the '82 Celica (liftback) lists the EPA estimates for the 5 speed > as 24/38. However, the other cars tested were the Dodge Charger, Camaro, > and Mustang GL all of which got EPA estimates within 4 or so mpg of the > Celica. But has anyone gotten anywhere near these figures on the streets? > CR got (their mileage estimates) 21 mpg city driving and 40 mpg expressway > driving. Sounds a lot higher than what everyone else is getting. I was > trying to correlate these figures to those which I get for my '80 Celica > (avg 17/24) which I would figure to get a little less than the '82 but not > by that much. > > -T Remember too that new cars get much better gas mileage. Same is true for motorcycles. When I used to have a motorcycle (Suzuki GSX-R 750) I got as high as 70 mpg when I first brought it home from the store. Not bad for 4 carbs that you could hear over the sound of the engine. Later, however, the mileage leveled off at around 42 mpg or so, quite a drop. FWIW (Oh, thought you guys might be getting bored with the same two .sigs all the time, so here is the .sig I did for the latest program I am on here at Harris! -- { } { } Christopher P. Myer ___________ {} Harris Corporation / __ __ \ ------- \/ Aerospace Systems Division | | | | | | | |__________||_ P.O.Box 94000 Melbourne, FL 32902 | | |__| | | |----|Advanced Train\ Mail Stop: 102-4844 ____/|_/|_/||_| |____|Control System ) 'net: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com | | | | | | -|-/-\ --/-\------/-\\\ Voice: (407) 729-3014 | |__| |__| | (-------0 ) ( 0 )\\ FAX: (407) 729-7459 \___________/ ---\-/---\-/------\-/-\\\\---------------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:00:17 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Engine Information/format.. OK Just, Got my Computer back today.. (Stuff Deleted) >> Do we want to include timing information? > > Most certainly... Any information goes a long way. But wouldn't that >be in the line of tune-ups? Is this a general information list. If not, could >we also include valve lash and spark plug gaps. > After some thought, I came to the conclusion: As with most modifications, your tune up information will be different from the factory spec, so Stock Tuning information goes right out the door (mine certainly has). Also since they are several variations on Toyotas engines, I don't expect we could fully cover all the specifics. For example, is the Tune up info for a Canadian spec 3SGTE from an 88 Celica the same as tune up info for an American 3SGTE as per 93 MR2's? (I would think not), also to keep the info managable, I propose just the basic info as previously suggested (for now at least). In the mean time, if someone could fill in the gaps for the following engines (Just to start somewhere) (just send email to me, and I'll compile it. Doesn't matter if more than one person sends, as this can help to verify info) 4AGZE (Supercharged MR2 MK1, (7MGTE/Whatever For Turbo/Non Turbo Supras), 3SGE, 5MGE, 4K,3K. eg: ==================== Cut Here ================= ENGINE: 22RE TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50" DISPLACEMENT: 2366 cc's or 144 c.i. COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified ECU: Toyota, Port Injection EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least) TURBO: none POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) TORQUE: 140 lb-ft@2800 also 190 n-m (1 lb-ft = 1.355 n-m) REDLINE: 5800 rpm on tach VALVE GEAR: Chain driven SOHC VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2 VEHICLE: 83-85 Celica, 85-current trucks, 2wd and 4wd, 22R was available on some trucks for some time after 85 as well. COMMENTS: Very torquey engine, good low end grunt. One with 239k miles was rebuilt and used the original crank with no regrinding necessary. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: lupienj@wal.hp.com (John Lupien) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:03:20 EST To: Gary H , Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Performance Fuel Pump > Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in > a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine. Will > the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase > performance? Probably not. If you are having problems with fuel starvation, you should be able to tell, and if so then a better pump may help. The best way to tell is to floor it in third or fourth, and try to determine what RPM the power drops off. Then compare that with the lower gears (where the fuel demand is less because you go up through the RPM range faster). There are other reasons to go with a better pump, though. The Facet electric pump from Pegasus is really nice - it puts out about 5psi and you can put a Purolator fuel pressure regulator just before the carb to keep it at the right feed pressure. If one Facet doesn't meet your flow requirements (not likely) you can put two on with parallel outputs. -- --- John R. Lupien lupienj@wal.hp.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 08:27:29 -0700 From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE>>Unleaded Gas in 4K-C En Chris wrote: >Oil companies started putting lead into gasoline as a way to >artificially and inexpensively raise the octane level of low-octane >gas. An additional benefit of lead is that it serves as a lubricant of >sorts, coating the operating surfaces of the engine much the same way as >Slick 50, etc. > >Then folks started figuring out how deadly lead is, and the government >banned it. (BTW, you can see that although lead is an additive, gas >without lead is more expensive because it has to have higher octane >without lead. Righto. >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem by running unleaded >in it. On the other hand, if you run leaded (as most racing gas is, I >believe) and your car has a catalytic converter, you will clog the Well, depends on the engine. This probably doesn't apply to Japanese vehicles, but older American iron, like before 71, can be damaged by running unleaded fuel. The valve seats before 71 were not hardened on most engines and tend to recede into the head when run long enough without the lead for lubricant. This is mostly long term damage, occurring over 10's of thousands of miles, maybe longer depending on who you ask. I looked into this when even regular leaded went to 0.1 gram of lead instead of the old 1+ gram per gallon for my 72 Pontiac LeMans. Turns out the valve seats are hardened on Pontiacs from 71 on so I can run whatever. Companies make substitutes now which lubricate but aren't so toxic if you do need it. Jim Chott Motorola Dust Devils 4WD club rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com 1985 Toyota XtraCab 4wd pickup Tempe, AZ 1972 Pontiac LeMans convertible xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:27:58 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Latest racing results and Daytona... Well, Tom Julien has done SO much whining about my failure to post my racing results, I decided that I'd better do it. (BTW, Tom lives about 20 minutes from the track that I race at and has been too BUSY to make it the last coupla weeks. I say if you are too busy to go to the races, you are too busy.) But first, Daytona. A buddy of mine is acquainted with NASCAR owner Travis Carter, and got us some passes to go see the Ford practice days at Daytona for the 500. I was impressed both by the money, and by the same down-to-earth, try it and see approach that we all take from time to time. First, the most expensive things there aren't the cars or anything like that, its the trailers. Here are these huge semi-trailers, painted and polished immaculately, you walk in expecting to see car parts and stuff, and everything is crome and carpet and formica. The back part has a complete kitchen, and the front is a driver/crew lounge with TV (with satellite antenna), nintendo games, etc. In between is a storage area, but it is as clean as the kitchen, with cabinets and cubbyholes everywhere. Where do the cars go? On top of all of this, between the ceiling of the living area and the top of the trailer. The entire back door rotates to horizontal to become a lift, they back the car onto the lift, and lower it to th Speaking of 2.5 miles, how long does it take these baby's to go that far? They _averaged_ 48 seconds per lap. Punch that into your Hewlett Packard! But then, after a few laps, they'd bring the car in and tweak something. Not the approach that most of us engineers like to take (say the Scientific Method) but rather the "What if" method. Evidently it works, probably because they have so much knowledge that their "what ifs" are real close anyway. Last "what if" had to do with wind drag on the front-bottom edge of the rear tires, so they quickly designed some air dams that fit on the rear of the kick panel (and looked very impressive despite the fact that they just "what if'd" and a coupla guys cut and designed them out of sheet metal.) They put these things on with a coupla rivets and a lot of duct tape and then back out on the track. Sounds like something I'd try, only it did seem to help their time. Enough of Daytona. If anyone wants to know more, email me direct. As I mentioned before, my racing has gotten better. 2 Friday's ago I placed second after starting at the back of a 27 car field. Not too bad, but I got into first after only 10 or 11 laps, only to screw up and let a guy drive under me in turn 4 of the second to the last lap. Oh well, second ain't too bad, especially when that's better than I'd ever done. Last Friday, things were a bit different. I started 7th of 27, and moved almost immediately into 3rd (I always out-sprint everyone on the starts.) Then, the flag-man (I've had words with this 3rd grade dropout, hick, "my brother owns the track, and if you don't kiss my butt, I'll spit chewing terbaccy on yer car" loser) puts me back to 6th for who knows what. Doesn't matter, with this outside position, I jump into second on the restart, and move to first before a lap is completed. (Ha ha, kiss MY butt, you scumbag flag-fag!) (Oops, sorry!) And, to make an exciting race boring, held on the rest of the race for the WIN! My first (and I'd like to th No racing this next weekend (National Guard) and I'm trying to get the car painted and the roll bar in, so I'm not sure If I will be ready the week after, either. Hopefully, when I DO get back to the track Tom Julien will not be TOO BUSY to watch, so that I won't have to keep on doing my own victory lane email interviews. -- _ ____| \__ '82 4x4 Christopher P. Myer {_^____^_} (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com) @ @ (407) 725-8742 ___ Melbourne, Florida ____/ ||:. '81 Celica GT <_^___81_^__) @ @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:29:47 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Kennedy Adapters... Has anyone heard of the Supplier Kennedy Adapters? I was talking to RJ at TRD about the possibility of putting a 3SGTE in a RWD car, (I really called to find out about crank case venting on 4AGE -- more in a later message) and he said that the guys at Kennedy Adapters (some where in Calif.) could supply an adapter that would mate it to a nissan gear box). (No, -I'm not planning a 3SGTE for my starlet :-) just curious. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:16:06 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: The case of the missing text... I have been told from time to time that part of my posts seem to get lost. I am trying to figure out if this is a logical problem (like my send mailer deciding a paragraph is too long and chopping it) or a 'net problem. In any case, if my message about my races and Daytona ended abruptly in some places, how about sending that message back to me so I can see if it is happening to everybody in the same place, or just to some folks in assorted places. (Wow, what a confusing sentence!) Thanks! -- Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:16:55 -0500 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Adapters... Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com >Errrr what adapters are you referring to ? > >bellhousing ? > >tranmission ? > >Drive shaft ? > >Jus pondering... > Apparently Kennedy Adapters have provided adapter plates for all of the above situations, however as would be the case (of a RWD setup) with 3SGTE with Nissan Gear Box, you would need an adapter plate to connect the _bellhousing_ to the 3SGTE block. >-allen > >BTW...hows the cold ? Warm thoughts from hawaii Well Today is actually supposed to be Ground Hog Day! (Go see the movie) The weather has actually warmed up a bit This week (high's of -8 C are expected!). -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 07:30:26 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Hmmm... References... 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This is more for American Cars but i'm sure they have adaptations to our uses or they can =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:31:49 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Engine Information/format.. }ENGINE: 22RE }TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head }BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50" }DISPLACEMENT: 2366 cc's or 144 c.i. }COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified }ECU: Toyota, Port Injection }EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least) }TURBO: none }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hey! Roger! Good stuff!!! Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated for 107hp. Don't know what the torque spec is though. aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:54:00 -0700 From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE>>Engine Information/form Jim said: }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aaron said: >Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated >for 107hp. Don't know what the torque spec is though. I got that number from the truck brochure, 85-94. A magazine article I have says that for 85 in the trucks, compression was raised from 9.0 to 9.3 and EFI was added. Maybe in the Celicas, which already had the EFI, the compression was raised in 85, accounting for the added horsepower. Jim Chott xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Engine Information/format.. To: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com. (Aaron Lung) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:59:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com. (Toyota Mods ML) > }ENGINE: 22RE > }TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head > }BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50" > }DISPLACEMENT: 2366 cc's or 144 c.i. > }COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified > }ECU: Toyota, Port Injection > }EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least) > }TURBO: none > }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > hey! Roger! Good stuff!!! > > Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated > for 107hp. Don't know what the torque spec is though. Sounds right, I remember the figures for my '83 GT-S being 107hp@4800 and 137lb-ft@2800. Anyone know what they changed to get the slight increase? (the other) Aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 14:00:59 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Broken Paragraphs! Thanks to those of you who sent me my mail back for analysis. Mark pointed out that both times the dropout occurred, it happened on the 15th line. I couldn't find anything limiting my paragraphs to 15 in my .mailrc (the mail utilities run command file, for you non-UNIX'rs). Then I thought, "Hmmm, 15 lines times 72 characters per line (max) is 1080 characters." That would put the 1024th character squarely on line 15. Hmmm. Sure enough, after sending myself some test mailings, everthing after the 1024th character typed without a return is ignored, obviously the result of a buffer size limitation. (Note the new paragraph where I usually would have continued to drone on...) Anyway I let the "fmt_mail" utility put my carriage returns into my mail, so I don't hit carriage returns at the end of each line. Bottom line: I'll have to write shorter paragraphs. As far as what got lost...First, I was talking about the trailers there at the track: Where do the cars go? On top of all of this, between the ceiling of the living area and the top of the trailer. The entire back door rotates to horizontal to become a lift, they back the car onto the lift, and lower it to the ground. I'll bet that baby goes for a cool million, not counting the pulling rig. Oh, I forgot to mention the custom viewing deck built on the top of the entire thing. Allowing you to watch the entire race from the infield, even at a 2.5 mile track like Daytona. Then, during the discussion of my race... And, to make an exciting race boring, held on the rest of the race for the WIN! My first! (And I'd like to thank all of the folks in the Toyota-Mods group that made this possible....) The only other "exciting" part was that my car was running like CRAP! Missing like crazy. I know the carb is too rich, and I think that it finally fouled out the spark plugs. I usually clean them before each race, but I negelected to do so this time. I only won by controlling the track, a technique I have been working on doing better at. Made a huge 15 bucks! Not much but since this is technically a "trophy-only" class, getting your entry fee back is fantastic. (Yecchy on the sentence structure in the 3rd to the last line!) Well, thanks for your forbearance, and I will try to keep the paragraphs shorter! Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: arvidj@aol.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 94 17:50:42 EST Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine Chris, >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running >unleaded in it. I believe that statement is incorrect. I'll check my facts and will give references soon, but I believe some pre-unleaded engines assume the existance of lead in the fuel for things other than octane enhancement. I recall seeing 'must have hardened valve seats installed to use this head with unleaded fuel', but can not recall where. Real facts, real soon now, Arvid xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:54:08 +1000 (EST) From: Murray Chapman Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine To: arvidj@aol.com Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Wed, 2 Feb 1994 arvidj@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > > >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running > >unleaded in it. > > I believe that statement is incorrect. I'll check my facts and > will give references soon, but I believe some pre-unleaded > engines assume the existance of lead in the fuel for things > other than octane enhancement. I recall seeing 'must have > hardened valve seats installed to use this head with unleaded > fuel', but can not recall where. Lead acts as a lubricant. If you run a leaded engine with unleaded fuel, you will destroy your valves relatively quickly. Murray -- Murray Chapman Zheenl Punczna -- -- muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au zhmmyr@pf.hd.bm.nh -- -- University of Queensland Havirefvgl bs Dhrrafynaq -- -- Brisbane, Australia Oevfonar, Nhfgenyvn -- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 15:26:04 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: New Members We again welcome new members... >>>>>Dirk Sieber<<<<< Name : Dirk Sieber Location : Victoria/Vancouver B.C., Canada Model : 1986 Celica GTS Engine : 3S-GE Mods : Not much... yet... ;-) Larger tires is about it email : dsieber@unixg.ubc.ca I liked your examples... good taste... ;-) Well, a bit about myself... I'm a student at the University of Victoria, out here on the (very) west coast of British Columbia. I picked up a Celica GT-S about 2 years ago, and now finally am starting to have some time (and the money) to put some work into it. I will freely admit that this sort of thing is all new to me, as this is the first car I've actually owned, vs just driven. I'm basically looking for ideas and guidance on what sort of things are possible, what can be done without the need for a professional shop (I do have access to a large collection of tools), and what sort of things I might find affordable & useful. I thought that what I was looking for probably is a little more complecated than the bleeding of brakes, etc that you mention for the normal toyota list, but I do have to admit I probably wouldn't have an awful lot to contribute here. However, I wouldn't mind lurking in the corners for a while to pick up what I can, if you wouldn't mind. >>>>> Steve Chaffee<<<<< Email: steve@liatris.cfnr.colostate.edu Name: Steve Chaffee Model: 1987 toyota 4x4 minivan (more power would be nice, but not my reason for subscribing here) 1986 mr2 - actually dad's car now, but in two years he wants to retire, buy a sailboat and play, at the same time my wife will (hopefully) finish her phd, and this would make a nice little present. engine: van - 4age - There is also a "h" or "y" in there, I'll check tonight. mr2 - can't remember that either, I'll check, you probably know anyway. mods: van - heh, heh, do floormats count? :) I'm all ears on suggestions though. mr2 - bone stock except for tires - dunlop d40 m2's This is the one we're planning on working with. Concerns: 1.) reliability 2.) legality (this is front-range Colorado, emissions are abig concern) 3.) scca rules. Dad is interested in playing a little, but staying in stock class until he figures out the car (it replaces his 71 240z - RIP, rust never sleeps, and handles just a wheeeee bit different). This probably limits him to k&n filters, cat-back exhaust, tires, and maybe struts. Future plans/ideas: port/polish/match (shave?) heads lighten the flywheel suspension stuff - springs, strut tie-bars, larger sway bars. brakes - larger rotors? drilled? Questions: I've played with scirrocos (a1), datsuns (240), and nissans (stanza). I've done/had done head intake, and suspension stuff similar to the above. It's pretty easy to find info for the (and parts) vw's and nissans from the likes of neuspeed and nissan motorsports, but I know nothing, have no sources for the more-recent toyotas. I want to know things like, will a port/polish do anything on the mr2? (on some nissan heads it will, on others it won't, due to some nasty tight radius bends in the intake). What exhaust work (if any) helps the highend with out trashing low-end torque (headers are pretty much out of the question due to emmisions). I`ll stop now. If what I'm asking isn't appropriate to this group, let me know and I'll look elsewhere. I realize I'm a beginner here, but I've done enough in the past to probably understand a lot of what you're saying. I plan on just lurking for a little while to learn what I can before disrupting things too bad with lots of questions you've all probably asked and answered a million times before (by the way do you have a faq-type thing available to help bring me up to speed?). <<<<<>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 17:23:38 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Query Steve Chaffee >Email: steve@liatris.cfnr.colostate.edu >Name: Steve Chaffee >Model: 1987 toyota 4x4 minivan (more power would be nice, but not > my reason for subscribing here) Wow ! You got the sports van conversion ?!?! > 1986 mr2 - actually dad's car now, but in two years he wants > to retire, buy a sailboat and play, at the same time > my wife will (hopefully) finish her phd, and this would > make a nice little present. >engine: van - 4age - There is also a "h" or "y" in there, I'll check tonight Woah ya got me on this one... I know the Van was partially Corolla but not sure about the sports version =) > mr2 - can't remember that either, I'll check, you probably > know anyway. MR-2 of your year is the 4AGE =) (that I tink I know) >mods: van - heh, heh, do floormats count? :) > I'm all ears on suggestions though. Floormats do count. I prefer the "Stock" Toyota mats that are optional with the name embroidered on them. They cost about $40 but well worth it I think =) > mr2 - bone stock except for tires - dunlop d40 m2's Sheesh... Tire of choice I guess =) > This is the one we're planning on working with. Wow... I bet he even has a project on his finger ;) > Concerns: > 1.) reliability Hmmmmm thats why you (*cough cough*) Got a Toyota ;) > 2.) legality (this is front-range Colorado, > emissions are a big concern) You got me again here on emissions... I'm Lucky I live without them here but there are tricks to making your car pass if you do heavy mods but you shouldn't have to get that serious. > 3.) scca rules. Dad is interested in playing > a little, but staying in stock class until > he figures out the car (it replaces his 71 > 240z - RIP, rust never sleeps, and handles > just a wheeeee bit different). This probably > limits him to k&n filters, cat-back exhaust, > tires, and maybe struts. I would run the MR-2 in stock class which throws it in C - Stock. The MR-2 is built for autocrossing from the showroom. Thus is why you have the stock stut-tower braces and hole in your drivers seat for the 5-point harness. (*chuckle*) and that 3 1/2 inch subwoofer under the drivers seat ;) > Future plans/ideas: port/polish/match (shave?) heads > lighten the flywheel The 4AGE motor is a bit expensive to build but if you gonna do that the lightended flywheel i'm not sure about. I've had good experiences with it and bad. However if you are used to this then its no problem what so ever. > suspension stuff - springs, strut tie-bars, > larger sway bars. Run stock class there are strut tower bars available and anti-sway bars for the car and this is a stock modification so its still legal in c - stock. Change your struts to the TRD ones and maybe your bushings. If you want camber numbers i can give you a set of them depening on how heavy the driver is. > brakes - larger rotors? drilled? The MR-2 is one of the few cars with a good braking system. You really don't need it but more power to you if you want it. > Questions: I've played with scirrocos (a1), datsuns > (240), > and nissans (stanza). I've done/had done head > intake, and suspension stuff similar to the > above. It's pretty easy to find info for the > (and parts) vw's and nissans from the likes > of > neuspeed and nissan motorsports, but I know > nothing, have no sources for the more-recent > toyotas. I want to know things like, will a > port/polish do anything on the mr2? (on some > nissan heads it will, on others it won't, due > to some nasty tight radius bends in the > intake). Scirrocos are good, jus the transmissions are weak as with all VW's and the 240 is one of the BEST if not the BEST balanced autocross car there is in a stock class or a street prepared class due to the power band and balance of the car. > What exhaust work (if any) helps the highend with- > out trashing low-end torque (headers are pretty > much out of the question due to emmisions). Exhaust is proably you'll have to go errrr I dunno... with emissions i dunno... >I`ll stop now. If what I'm asking isn't appropriate to this group, let me >know and I'll look elsewhere. I realize I'm a beginner here, but I've >done enough in the past to probably understand a lot of what you're >saying. Heh don't mind me... i'm jus bubbling and taking up bandwith since the Toyota Mailing list (the other one) has been spitting out like 20 mail per day plus (*sigh*) >I plan on just lurking for a little while to learn what I can before >disrupting things too bad with lots of questions you've all probably >asked and answered a million times before We have ? Nah... unless you have a good timing chain story =) BTW Nah... Which Colorado is this ? =) Take it Easy.... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 08:18:49 -0800 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam , Cc: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Subject: Encountering packet losses Ah most honorable Koji-san, Please enlighten me with your Toyota ways... :^) Allen, just out of curiosity. Did you receive a copy of Gary Hong's email regarding my email address or either received my post to you. It seems as if I may either be encountering packet losses from my server or the University's server is bouncing my mail. My apologies for using bandwidth other than for the newsgroup. Mahalos, Allan "transplanted toyboy" Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 13:53:11 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: 1994 Spec's for Formula Atlantic 4AGE... There is a short blurb (with picture) on the 94 Formula Atlantic 4AGE in the March 94 Car&Driver, apparently with the new TRD EFI system (US $3,000), Max. output remains unchanged (240 BHP), but the engine develops 50 more BHP by 5000 RPM, than with the carb'd engines of last year. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:55:02 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Clutches for 4AGE... Anyone know if you can use the pressure plate/clutch from the supercharged MR2 in a corolla GTS gear box? The TRD spec sheet for corolla GTS lists a pressure plate/clutch with 550kg clamping force VS stocks 4x0. TRD literature for 4agze lists clutches/pp up to 700KG. How much of a difference would this make to (clutch) pedal pressure? -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS . . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice calls out . . . Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting + erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe. Ten years ago, when I purchased the pipes, it was a very different world. Bottom line, I picked them up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked. Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these things. Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers. However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for. I'm convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill. I plan on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during cusory inspections also). Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails. Thanks, Clark xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 09:44:42 -0800 To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith), Subject: Re: Tuning Toyotas Twin Cam Terror... On Jan 28, 10:08am, Roger Smith wrote: > Subject: Tuning Toyotas Twin Cam Terror... > The Subject line is taken from the cover of the Jan. 94 issue of Car, and > Car conversions (British Magazine). Contains useful info, that even "I" > didn't know ;-) One point mentioned, was the fact that "the head design, is > such that if the belt brakes, there is sufficient tolerances that you > *shouldn't* bend a valve". Also the fact that "later 4AG blocks used > reinforced "ribs" to eliminate sonic resonance, vs for strength". All in > all not a bad article as they compare the FX-16, to MR2, to GTS. Sorry to trouble you folks but it seems like I am unable to obtain January's issue of CAR magazine. They seem to run out of it quickly here in the pennisula. If anybody could forward me a copy of the magazine (just let me know what the postage is too) or a xerox copy of the article... I will be forever grateful. Roger, If you are reading this... I beg of you to xerox me a copy. Thanks, Allan Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com p.s. My mailing address is: Silicon Graphics Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 1L-745 Mountain View, CA 94043 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 06:50:54 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Product Directory I was cleaning my room the other day.... And found my product buyers guide. It lists places of High Performance Racing Parts from A - Z you name the manufactor or distrubior I have the address etc or at least a name of companies to contact and what areas they are in. Drop me a line or I'll post it on Toy-mods list... Remind me if i don't get back to ya in 3 days. The Lists for some parts are quite long. I'll try put up a listing or a index maybe one day... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 14:15:06 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: More new members And now, introducing out two newest members, is spokesmodel Chris Myer (*GAG*) Wait, this isn't Star Search. And what is a spokesmodel anyway? Anyhow, here are two more members. >>>>>Douglas Pike<<<<< name: Douglas Pike location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda Model: 85 Celica GT engine: 22re modes: atostreet stock cam (TRD) Supra rims Supra seats neopream? bushing for all suspension componets dis connected egr system/ and advanced timing by 8 degrees more to come..... >>>>>Andrew Lagden<<<<< Name : Andrew Lagden Age : 20 Birthdate: 15/12/73 Location : University Of Kent, Canterbury, England, UK Model : 1978 Toyota Celica 2000ST Engine : 18R-G DOHC (from 1983/84 Europe) Mods : 2.5 inch exauhst system (Homebuilt) Revolution 6x14inch 5 spoke alloys with 195 & 205/60x14 tyres. Sports steering wheel (essential instead of the huge bus type steering wheel) 3.9 Limited Slip diff. Electronic Ignition Module. email : aml2@ukc.ac.uk Me : I am currently studying computer science at the University of Kent in England, now in my second year out of three year course. I have always been extremely keen on cars, as my father used to work for Fords, and i love dismantling things.. Car : I bought the celica as my first car in January 1992, and have fallen in love with it ever since. When the original 18R engine blew up, i was ready to give in, until i saw an add for a brand new unused 18R-G engine for sale. I got hold of it, and realising it was meant for a European 82-84 Celica (Model RA63), i had some work to do to get it all installed, (New accelerator linkages, sump and downpipe/exhaust system and electronic ignition, as it had a different dizzy to my old engine. Now the celica runs sweet as can be, and i am trying to find sources of other performance parts such as brakes/suspension. But most of all I want a TURBO. Reason for joining : To gain a greater knowledge, to modify my TOYOTA to be the best and only car ill ever have... <<<<<>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:02:01 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Query Newbies Welcome ! >From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Mon Feb 7 09:15:53 1994 >And now, introducing out two newest members, is spokesmodel Chris Myer >(*GAG*) Woo Woo !!! Lookie at them legs ! ;) >Wait, this isn't Star Search. And what is a spokesmodel anyway? Its so much more !!!! A Spokesmodel is like Gina Aurio =) >Anyhow, here are two more members. Oh goodie.. that makes the count what ? =) >>>>>Douglas Pike<<<<< >name: Douglas Pike >location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda >Model: 85 Celica GT >engine: 22re >modes: atostreet stock cam (TRD) Lets see... thats the 280/280 cam ? The Crane Cam Shaft or the Iskenderian came has a better or bigger torquer cam for the 20/22R motor i think... But its a still a good cam... >Supra rims Supra seats >neopream? bushing for all suspension componets >dis connected egr system/ and advanced timing by 8 degrees >more to come..... Neopream = Polyurathane bushing i belive or a type of them. 8 Degrees is okay... do you have the adjustable timing gear ? or do you jus crank your timing a lot ? or you use it for more top end ? bottom end ? all around =) Supra Rims and Seats =) from the same model type supra =) >>>>>Andrew Lagden<<<<< >Name : Andrew Lagden >Age : 20 >Birthdate: 15/12/73 >Location : University Of Kent, Canterbury, England, UK >Model : 1978 Toyota Celica 2000ST >Engine : 18R-G DOHC (from 1983/84 Europe) >Mods : 2.5 inch exauhst system (Homebuilt) Straight pipe ? > Revolution 6x14inch 5 spoke alloys with Revolutions are dang light =) Good Autocrossing rims =) And Street rims =) I like them... > 195 & 205/60x14 tyres. What kinna tires ? Or jus street ones ? > Sports steering wheel (essential instead of the huge bus > type steering wheel) Any brand ? What Size ? did ya go up or down from the 14" ? > 3.9 Limited Slip diff. Woah... Top end flyer ! =) > Electronic Ignition Module. Stock Wires ? Ignition ? Coil ? =) >email : aml2@ukc.ac.uk Wow.. UK Peeples ! >Me : I am currently studying computer science at the University > of Kent in England, now in my second year out of three year > course. I have always been extremely keen on cars, as my > father used to work for Fords, and i love dismantling > things.. Sounds familiar... my dad's into Chevy's or at least Ford bodies with Chevy motors... Go Figure =) >Car : I bought the celica as my first car in January 1992, and > have fallen in love with it ever since. When the original > 18R engine blew up, i was ready to give in, until i saw > an add for a brand new unused 18R-G engine for sale. I > got hold of it, and realising it was meant for a > European Wow... where was it sitting around ?!?! =) > 82-84 Celica (Model RA63), i had some work to do to get > it all installed, (New accelerator linkages, sump and > downpipe/exhaust system and electronic ignition, > as it had a different dizzy to my old engine. Did ya use the stock exhaust or ya had to buy the TRD ? > Now the celica runs sweet as can be, and i am trying to > find sources of other performance parts such as > brakes/suspension. But most of all I want a TURBO. 18RG Turbo came in Turbo Vehicles there. Check a Starlet or change to a different motor. If not I know the one Iron Man Stewart is a Turbo i think or there is one. >Reason for joining : To gain a greater knowledge, to modify my TOYOTA to be > the best and only car ill ever have... Amen... What more can ya say ?!?!!?!? Don't mind me... If ya can stand my bad typing and bad spelling who knows... You might learn something from Chris,Roger,Tom,Aaron etc etc from me ? Ya'll learn bad ways to type ! =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:18:33 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... >From goble@maxwell.ee.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 20:28:40 1994 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 94 15:49:05 -0800 From: Brian Goble 8727676 Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine >I just picked up the March '94 issue of "Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance" >magazine. (For those of you in the Seattle area, I found it at >Barnes & Noble books in Bellevue--first place I've seen it). Subscribe to Turbo Magzine ! It comes weally early ! >The thing that caught my I was on the cover it says: > HOT! 12-Second > Single-Turbo Supra Single Turbo Supra (*gasp*) ha ha don't those cover storys jus get ya Brian ? Heh... >On page 44 is the story of an '87 Supra Turbo that can a 12.39 1/4 mile at >116 mph. It's generatring around 500 hp (50 of which comes from nitrous)! Actually Its pretty darn good for a street car. It is lower etc but he paid big big bucks for a car that don't or should turn faster times. Actually a friend down here (Yes Andrew Higa Allanc heh) has a similar project. The NOS is used basically for a launching type to get the turbo spooling and to get off the line. He's currently going after Pat's supra down here. Andrew has about all the good goodies in his turbo supra, but his is also SLAMMED (not lowered) to the ground with new 16" OZ Racing rims (ya he bent the SSR's -pout-) There is what could possible be the fastest Production Model Supra down here that bought like the ONLY Supra that has the conversion to remove the air box and his Turbo produces 800HP on the street, but he's just a Street driver who drives it to work and bought eberrything HKS has and is debating on rims now. However... Pats Drag White Supra IS the fastest production Supra in the WORLD. (errr wait.. fastest is lowest et ? no mph ? well he has the lowest et one) Running close to stock offest rims and tires and a similar car can be built for 20k or so and achieve 10 second time slips. >I noticed the the picture in the lower-left corner of page 44 refers to >the car as "second-generation"--when it is really the "third-generation" >Supra. I think they don't count the 80-82 "Celica Supras" as Supras =) I know I Don't ! ;) nah nah nah... >Just FYI... >-Brian > ==)------------ > Brian Goble | goble@ee.u.washington.edu > "Finishing a close second means you didn't win." > ------------(== Damm... Just like some one crashing into you around the last corner during a race huh ? Dammm... Thats harsh... Hey there's a New Virtua Racing Game called Virtua Indy !!! I'm going to Vegas in August jus to play it ;) Anyone wanna join me =) (Okay... so i'm a little late in my back mail ! but the mailer here is messed*) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu. (Allen T "Koji" Kam) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:43:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com. (Toyota Mods ML), > Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine > >I just picked up the March '94 issue of "Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance" > >magazine. (For those of you in the Seattle area, I found it at > >Barnes & Noble books in Bellevue--first place I've seen it). ... > However... Pats Drag White Supra IS the fastest production Supra in the WORLD. > (errr wait.. fastest is lowest et ? no mph ? well he has the lowest et one) > Running close to stock offest rims and tires and a similar car can be > built for 20k or so and achieve 10 second time slips. Don't go away, Koji! I've got a gleam in my eye and I'm itching to yank the tail on my white beast... unfortunately I've got sort of severe cash flow problems at the moment, so I'm going to have to wait a couple months before I can buy any more toys. I'm expecting a drastic improvement in my employment situation in that time frame, one way or the other, and then I'm going to beg your help in at least getting to the embarass-Corvettes-new RX7's-3000GTs level. >:) Also, I just noticed that the air intake path on the 87-92 Supra Turbos routes the post-intercooler air right over the darn turbo housing. They route the air through 8 feet of ducting to get to the intercooler and back, then cook it again right above the turbo just before it enters the block... sheesh. I then remembered that that 12-second Supra had wrapped the post-intercooler air ducting with some kind of thermal wrap. Anyone have any suggestions for what I should use for similar effect? I'd prefer to spend $50 or less, and settle for 80% instead of spending $100+ for NASA materials and getting the extra 20% for 100% efficiency. Aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods ML), Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... Date: Tue, 08 Feb 94 10:53:39 -0800 From: danapple@vicor.com > abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu writes: > I then remembered that that > 12-second Supra had wrapped the post-intercooler air ducting with > some kind of thermal wrap. Anyone have any suggestions for what > I should use for similar effect? Use some heavy duty tin foil, shiny side out. It's not an insulator, but will reflect heat energy. Maybe use the foil to surround some insulation. Just make sure the foil doesn't touch the exhaust manifold. > Aaron Dan. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 08 Feb 94 12:58:12 CST From: J Grant Montgomery To: Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... > >Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine > >>I noticed the the picture in the lower-left corner of page 44 refers to >>the car as "second-generation"--when it is really the "third-generation" >>Supra. > >I think they don't count the 80-82 "Celica Supras" as Supras =) I know I >Don't ! ;) nah nah nah... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, I believe they do count those Celica Supras as Supras - merely part of the Mark I or first-generation Supras. I have an '85 "Celica Supra, and I am pretty sure it's a Mark II Supra Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? Grant UT BAD1 / '85 Toyota Celica Supra 5-Speed & Alpine CD / WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu / Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:07:34 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: My unsubscription to the other Toyota mailing list Just wanted to assure all of the members of the Toyota-Mods mailing list that I do not plan on allowing the toyota-mods list to succomb to the recent pressure we have received to curtail our access to email here at Harris. My unsubscription to the regular Toyota mailing list was merely an attempt to pacify those at Harris who are anal-retentive about the use of the internet. Hopefully this will serve as motivation to me to get one of my Sun workstations at home running and move the list (and mosaic server) there. I doubt I will do that any time soon, though. -- Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 19:58:42 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: cornering ( was: how fast ...) Allen, >>So just what are the "optimal pressures". I think I'm running a little> >>softer than others in this group. (I use 30psi all around on 1 size over >>stock RE71's) >I'd bet everyone in the group not seeking chiropractic help for their spine >is at "sub-optimal" pressures. >For my stone stock '93 turbo, 195/55-15 A022 front, 225/50-15 A022 back, >about 50 degree ambient tempurature, tires at operating tempurature: >43 Front, 45 Back. >This gave the highest g loading (.9+ in both directions) with minimum >understeer at the limit. Within the range of 39 - 45 front and >29 - 51 rear, I was never able to get rid of the understeer, just >able to control how much of it there was. >The car felt very 'happy' with these settings while autocrossing, >but I had to go back to my normal 33 front, 35 back for street use. >The higher setting had absolutely NO give and would probably shake >the fenders off the car in a week of daily driving on smooth asphalt >roads. >Your setup needs are probably very different, >Avid These preasures seem a bit high to me. I don't really know how the A022's behave hot, but the A008RS' seem to operate best around 35 PSI +-, on the track. Difference here might be in tire temperature?? Tire adheasion is a function of tire preasure and temp ( beyond the temp / preasure relationship) and past certain preasures the adheasion goes back down. If you have access to a tire pyrometer then I would use that to tune your suspension, otherwise use white shoe polish, pick 2/3 spots on each tire, and draw radial lines from the tread to about 2 in toward the center of the tire, take the car for a 'spin' and see where the shoe polish is rubbing off. this will tell you how much tire you are using/not using. my $0.02 Enjoy Ray B. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:48:00 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: A Question of Stopping... Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? Also with Metallic brake pads and semi metallic ? Bronze metallic are in there also. I belive a 4 wheel disc system is the best but my drum brakes do decently for me even though i want to upgrade to a GTS rear end from AE86 or so. Thanks... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* P.S. This place is too quiet ;) P.P.S. One last Query...do you feel you Supra owners with ABS and without that your car tends to brake fade ? =) -Koj xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:52:43 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS . . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice calls out . . . (here we go again) Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting + erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe. Ten years ago, when I purchased the pipes, it was a very different world. Bottom line, I picked them up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked. Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these things. Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers. However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for. I'm convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill. I plan on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during cusory inspections also). Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails. Thanks, Clark ps: This is a repost of a note that "apparently" got lost in cyberspace, so mucho apologies if you've already received it. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:21:21 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping Koji writes: >Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? Koji, I've got two comments on this. First, apparently the Highway Safety Commission or "Some Big Goverment Bureaucratic Organization" recently reported that ABS equipped cars are in just as many accidents as non-ABS cars. Knowing the way statistics are distorted its hard for me to quantify what this number actually means. Seems that you'd have to at least normalize it by the number of cars in each catagory. Also, the types of accidents are important, for example rear-end vs front-end, and whose fault it was. At one extreme the non- ABS cars could be hitting the ABS cars and yes from this you could conclude that both types of cars are in the same amount of accidents. Food for thought. Second, I've got a friend on the LAPD. The new Crown Victorias they use come with ABS and they all hate it. He claims that in a pursuit situation the ABS is a hinderance since it interferes with the constructive use of the brakes in some of the radical maneuvers they pull. You might conclude that if you know how to drive (which is subjective) and you've got correctly sized and balanced four-way disks, who needs ABS? I've got it on my 944s2 (had it for 4 years) and have never had it engage in a "panic-stop". I do slam on it now and then just as a check tho. Funny side note: The Victorias come with air bags, which they also hate. Seems the crooks in certain situations will cause the police car to ram their vehicle and set the bags off. Pretty tricky stuff . . Maybe there's nothing really definitive to conclude from all this, just some stuff to think about. >Also with Metallic brake pads and semi metallic ? Bronze metallic are in there >also. The deal with metallics is they'll take alot before they start to fade. Organics under heavy and frequent use will heat to the point where they start to vaporize at the pad/rotor interface and hence "fade. Not good. Metallics, however, will eat rotors like there's no tomorrow. So, if rotors are cheap for your set-up, no problem, just plan on changing them every time you change the pads. Also, metallics aren't the greatest when cold. Once up to temperature tho, they start doing their thing. Semi-metallics are just an attempt compromise between metallics and organics. Current hot ticket is Cool Carbons. They're a kevlar/carbon combo that give you the best of metallics and organics (from what I hear). Lots of thick black dust to!! Buddy has them on his Z and wife's MR-2. Loves them. Paid $100 for the MR-2 set (Toyota wanted $80 for the stock pads!). Bought his from Grimm Performance in Santa Ana, CA 714-642-7839. I hear they're available all over. >P.S. This place is too quiet ;) I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to their cars they can write about!!??!! Regards, Clark xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 16:34:30 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping [re: Crown victorias] I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. Koji and Clark sed: } }>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) } }I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to }their cars they can write about!!??!! I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! How's that? ;-) aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 17:09:21 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) >[re: Crown victorias] > >I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I >mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're >specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the >unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I >literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* >soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified. American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy from them the certain vehicles they fleet. >Koji and Clark sed: >} >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) >} >}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to >}their cars they can write about!!??!! > >I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! >How's that? ;-) > >aaron Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :) Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:37:17 -0800 From: Joe Woodsprite To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping The Oregon State Police found their problems with ABS more driver related. It turns out that when the ABS is engaged there is a slight pulsing in the pedal. Many officers were mistaking that for a loss of brake fluid pressure, and made the mistake of trying to pump the brakes. After several totaled cars nobody is supposed to use these cars for persuit. The loss of the 5.0L Mustangs had something to do with their drivability compaired to the Camaro that replaced them in these parts. I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately. Aside from a new subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything. But here's a question. I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a hotter cam? It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and the wallet gains some weight. :) Any comments are useful as I'm still not used to working on engines with valves. Woodsprite ******************************************************************************* ** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** ** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** ** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** ** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** ** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** ** takes to find her. * * *** ** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** ******************************************************************************* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 02:35:53 -0800 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Subject: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... > >Koji and Clark sed: > >} > >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) > >} > >}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > >}their cars they can write about!!??!! > > > >I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! > >How's that? ;-) > > > >aaron > > Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :) Okay folks, You ask for it, you got it... Toyota (Hmmmm... that sounds very familiar). You want bandwidth, you got it. I am looking at two possible power plants for an either Starlet or 85-87 Corolla. Koji-san and Roger Smith has given quite a few pointers. Here is a couple from Roger: Little known facts: (1) Starlet is probably one of the lightest production RWD cars bar none. My 4AGE Starlet with Driver, spare tire, etc... clocks in at 1900 lbs. (2) Corolla GTS front struts/suspension/calipers/sway bar are easily adapted to starlet. (3) GTS rear axle on a starlet would stick out 3 ins on either side with rims, so body work (Fender Flares from a Golf MK-1 should fit ) is necessary. (4) 78 celica rear end set up looks stock + comes with bigger Drums. (5) Stock starlet Diff will disintegrate under torque from 4AGE (6) The 3SGTE from a Turbo MR2/Celica GT-4 (All trac) is a possibility! (7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet) And two lists of contacts. TRS USA 7901 Ethel Ave. N. Hollywood, CA 91605 Tel: (818)765-5542 Fax: (818)764-1051 Carrera Racing Shocks 5412 New Peachtree Road Atlanta, GA 30341 Orders: (800)RACE-4-IT Suppliers of: Corolla & Starlet parts I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with the following: 1) locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission, rear-end). 2) engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California preferably, but any info would be great). 3) companies who produce adapters to support these mod. 4) aftermarket recommendation: a) cams b) exhaust c) suspension c) carburetion/EFI mods d) alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers, etc...) e) any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics, wheels, seats, steering wheel, etc... not a priority but nice anemities to have) This little project of mine is to build a sleeper. Quiet but effective. More like in the lines of "silent but deadly"... hmmm, sounds like a vicious fart *ha ha* (sorry guys, poor Hawaii humor). It would be nice to humble some Z28's and 5.0l Mustangs, as well as chasing Porsches through the corners without spending the big bucks they do. *grin* Been brainstorming, cogs are in motion but definitely could use gray matter from another source. I got the NEED, the need for SPEED. Mahalo, Allan Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:02:43 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re Headers Wanted ! >From SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Wed Feb 9 14:13:47 1994 >Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS >. . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice >calls out . . . Wow... sum bunny speaks !!! > (here we go again) Beers to ya ! =) >Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting + >erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back >in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe. Ten years ago, when I >purchased the pipes, it was a very different world. Bottom line, I picked them >up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked. Welps 10 years ago such matters were still "legal" I belive so there was no big thing about it. Wow $35 !!! Wow.... >Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with >injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low >I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some >out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these >things. You are right the Hooker headers for the car sit way too low without any modifications to it. You could take it to a shop though and have them rebend the sukkers so they don't hang that low. TRD's "Headers" for the 20R are jus the Doug Thorley headers. Nothing special and nothing grand. Ummm another company makes headers umm.. Pacesetter ? no.. Errrr.... Hedman, Hooker, Pacesetter (i belive), Doug Thorley, and someone else... Remind me tommorow and i'll check with it more. One way to get around it is to order it from another state and have it or pick it up there at the manufacter or such. Have it sent to whereever. Ha ha =) >Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers. >However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my >search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their >own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for. I'm >convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill. I plan >on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove >so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during >cusory inspections also). The Chrome is Doug Thorleys Design.. check Toysport in Nevada or in Cali if they are still there they carry a few... >Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails. Monthly listing ? =) You mean ya supposed to read that =) >Thanks, Clark Anytime Buddy =) >ps: This is a repost of a note that "apparently" got lost in cyberspace, so >mucho apologies if you've already received it. Sounds like my mailer here in Hawaii...messages come in all delayed !!! -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:16:51 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Serious Stopping Brake Query ! >>From SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Wed Feb 9 14:23:18 1994 >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >>Koji: Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? > (*Deleted stuff about Highway Safety Comission that was VERY Informative *) >Second, I've got a friend on the LAPD. The new Crown Victorias they use come >with ABS and they all hate it. He claims that in a pursuit situation the >ABS is a hinderance since it interferes with the constructive use of the brakes >in some of the radical maneuvers they pull. You might conclude that if you >know how to drive (which is subjective) and you've got correctly sized and >balanced four-way disks, who needs ABS? I've got it on my 944s2 (had it for 4 >years) and have never had it engage in a "panic-stop". I do slam on it now and >then just as a check tho. I belive that is true about knowing how to drive i.e. knowing how to stop. However most people do not and in "panic stops" even >I< have a "painic reaction" to jus jam on the brakes hard cause there is no time. However most of the cars (and toyotas) don't have disc brakes except for the sports cars. This was one point. I agree drivers in the racing curcuits do not like the idea of ABS brakes due to driver feel and control. They do however help a lot in an Autocrossing type setup but they do even fade during then. It was just a thought i was thinking about. You are correct about ABS interfering with "radical" moves that the PD may have to pull such as "bootleggers reverses" and "180 degree turns" etc etc. However this is in "emergency situations" and well... most police pursuits are not "looked highly upon" due to those crashes etc etc... I know down here in Hawaii Police Officers do not pursue any speeds after 100mph for safety reasons (plus the roads are too damm short and the radios dang faster) >Funny side note: The Victorias come with air bags, which they also hate. Seems >the crooks in certain situations will cause the police car to ram their vehicle >and set the bags off. Pretty tricky stuff . . Heh I saw that COPS Episode !!!! >Maybe there's nothing really definitive to conclude from all this, just some >stuff to think about. Maybe not but it is wasting bandwidth ! =) >>Koji: Brake pads. Metallic, semi metallic or Bronze metallic ? > (*Infomation on brake pads plus/minus again VERY informative*) >Current hot ticket is Cool Carbons. They're a kevlar/carbon combo that give >you the best of metallics and organics (from what I hear). Lots of thick black >dust to!! Buddy has them on his Z and wife's MR-2. Loves them. Paid $100 >for the MR-2 set (Toyota wanted $80 for the stock pads!). Bought his from >Grimm Performance in Santa Ana, CA 714-642-7839. I hear they're available >all over. I heard about them on the racing curcuit but had no feed back on them yet. Oh welps... Guess I'll have to buy some ! >>>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) >I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to >their cars they can write about!!??!! Heh... maybe its too cold to do any work ! >Regards, Clark -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:25:46 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: A question of stopping Koji writes: >Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? Koji, I had abs on my '91 turbo and was nervous about using the car on the track. I called toyota up about this and they told me that they don't use abs on their race cars! For me, on the track it got in the way - things I have read indicate that on the road under advers conditions abs will help the average driver, on the track it will get in the way. Braking is most efficient when the tire is sliding a little bit. I ten to agree with this. I had hoped that toyota would follow Audi's lead and make the ABS system switchable. As far as brake shoes - I have used Repco metal Masters for > 10 years, on lots of different cars, and have really liked them. They do not destroy rotors as quickly as full metalic pads, they don't need to get to hot to work properly, they stop well, and they last. These coupled with bleeding the brakes frequently - before and after every track event seem to work well BTW I use Castrol LMA brake fluid ( Dot 4) Ray B. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:31:08 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Brakes and the HPD =) >>From garyh@sco.COM Wed Feb 9 15:02:55 1994 >>From: Gary H > >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >>From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) >>[re: Crown victorias] >>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I >>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're >>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the >>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I >>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* >>soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ? I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers. The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro. The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National. Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore. The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =) Since then the local cop cars down here are allowed to make modifications to their engine and even change rim size and allow rims. There is a Buick Grand National running around with a T-06 Turbo and several cops use NOS in their Camaros etc (big story another time) Common cop cars down here were the Monte Carlos of the SS variety but scrapped or those with them modified their engines and changed rims etc etc. Buicks of all types and Supercharged Cougars are popular. Mustangs and Camros and even Ford Explorers. Funny story about my friend being pulled over in his RX-7 Turbo II by a ford explorer on H-3 (Allan's rolling on the ground now) Just be glad ya don't live in Hawaii cause speeding is serious work down here espically when they dispatced some 40 extra cops to the Windward side of the island where Allanc used to live and I still do =) to curb "speeding abuses by drivers on the windward side" heh.. =) I.E. My next door neighbors one of their friends is a cop and i raced his Supercharged cougar when he first got it, I won non to say the least... the other day he pulled up in a Buick T Type and asked me for a rematch. Ha ha I don't think so... ha ha ha ... >When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified. >American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy >from them the certain vehicles they fleet. Yep yep.. the victoria's come with the heavy duty suspension set up and higher output motor and beefier transmission. >>Koji and Clark sed: >>}P.S. This place is too quiet ;) >>}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to their >>}cars they can write about!!??!! >>I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! >>How's that? ;-) Wow... Wax or polish ? =) I smell another debate comming on =) >>aaron >Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :) >Gary -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:37:15 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Braking and Cop Cars / Julie ! >From lantera@CSOS.ORST.EDU Wed Feb 9 22:38:11 1994 >From: Joe Woodsprite >Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >The Oregon State Police found their problems with ABS more driver related. It >turns out that when the ABS is engaged there is a slight pulsing in the pedal. >Many officers were mistaking that for a loss of brake fluid pressure, and made >the mistake of trying to pump the brakes. After several totaled cars nobody >is supposed to use these cars for persuit. The loss of the 5.0L Mustangs had >something to do with their drivability compaired to the Camaro that replaced >them in these parts. BTW so what do they use for pursuit ????!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ? >I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately. Aside from a new >subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything. But here's a >question. I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to >figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a >hotter cam? It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and >the wallet gains some weight. :) Any comments are useful as I'm still not used >to working on engines with valves. OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =) Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest. Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it. (Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-) >Woodsprite Aloha... >****************************************************************************** >** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** >** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** >** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** >** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** >** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** >** takes to find her. * * *** >** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** >****************************************************************************** So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car so you can check her out ? =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 05:01:50 -0800 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam , Subject: Re: Brakes and the HPD =) On Feb 10, 2:31am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote: > Subject: Brakes and the HPD =) > > >>From garyh@sco.COM Wed Feb 9 15:02:55 1994 > >>From: Gary H > > >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping > > >>From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) > > >>[re: Crown victorias] > > >>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I > >>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're > >>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the > >>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I > >>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* > >>soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. > > Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ? I know Vegas has Camaro Z28. > I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police > Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their > "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers. It sure will save taxpayer money... Have you seen those new recruits, they were derelicts from my high school past. You know what they say... it takes one to catch one. > The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a > 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another > master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro. > The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National. Hey, I remember that I got pulled over by a Grand National... when I once owned an IROC-Z (My Yellow Banana). > Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the > camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore. > The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and > then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared > and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =) So the lasers are in effect... Shoots, I guess that Solo I purchased ain't worth shit when I go back home (Hawaii). Yup, I still remember the announcement when Police Chief Nakamura announced the Camaro they were using. What pisses me off was his emphasis on busting speeders... I think this police chief got his priorities wrong. Collecting revenue for the State of Hawaii is important but we as taxpayers have more important things to worry about... like protection from crime. > Since then the local cop cars down here are allowed to make modifications > to their engine and even change rim size and allow rims. There is a Buick > Grand National running around with a T-06 Turbo and several cops use NOS > in their Camaros etc (big story another time) Allen, remember that story when the gas stipend for these guys were so big that they were able to have literally race cars on the street. Do you recall that big motor black Nova that would race people. Story has it that if you won, you do not receive a ticket... but, if you are caught you were fined through your ass. (This was during my hotrod days... kinda early 80ish) > Common cop cars down here were the Monte Carlos of the SS variety but scrapped > or those with them modified their engines and changed rims etc etc. Buicks > of all types and Supercharged Cougars are popular. Mustangs and Camros and > even Ford Explorers. Funny story about my friend being pulled over in his > RX-7 Turbo II by a ford explorer on H-3 (Allan's rolling on the ground now) I am, I am... stop, spare me, please stop *ha ha* > Just be glad ya don't live in Hawaii cause speeding is serious work down > here espically when they dispatced some 40 extra cops to the Windward > side of the island where Allanc used to live and I still do =) to curb > "speeding abuses by drivers on the windward side" heh.. =) Hey Allen, please ensure my baby brother is taking really good care of my GT-S... and not to bring up noterity with it please!!! > I.E. My next door neighbors one of their friends is a cop and i raced his > Supercharged cougar when he first got it, I won non to say the least... > the other day he pulled up in a Buick T Type and asked me for a rematch. Ha ha > I don't think so... ha ha ha ... Oh great, my friend Greg just graduated from the Police Academy and is working in the Kaneohe side. Wait, wait... Hmmmmm... he could fix my speeding tickets *ha ha* As for your friend with the T-Type, ask him to race you through the corners... let's say 13 turns or Tantalus and see who comes out swinging. > >When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified. > >American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy > >from them the certain vehicles they fleet. > > Yep yep.. the victoria's come with the heavy duty suspension set up and > higher output motor and beefier transmission. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:14:42 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping > >P.S. This place is too quiet ;) > > I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > their cars they can write about!!??!! > > Regards, Clark > Not really. I'm painting the garage floor over at my sister's old place, where I'm going to move the race car to. (Ugh, what a sentence!) I am working on rejetting the carb though. I have the Synchronous Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs. Looks like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air, because I'm running way rich. I think that was why the car started failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago. Any ideas on jetting? Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:26:21 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping > I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately. Aside from a new > subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything. But here's a > question. I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to > figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a > hotter cam? It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and > the wallet gains some weight. :) Any comments are useful as I'm still not > used to working on engines with valves. > > Woodsprite Adding a better carb (I recommend the Weber 32/36) is definetly the better way to go. However, you really won't see any big improvement without doing carb/cam/header together. Also, if you get the new cam, be sure to get the head work done (_mild_ surfacing and valve job) and install the double spring set. Now you're talking more power! (Now you're talking big bucks!). Koji: Recommend a good cam! Also, what size header? (I'd say 1 5/8", sound about right?) Anyone: Got ideas on prices for this stuff? Head work: $65 (Depending on where you are. Shop around and get recommendations.) Carb: My dual 38 with all the stock-conversion adapters was $400. 32/36 should be quite a bit cheaper. Headers:??? Cam:??? Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:43:28 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Hawaii names I know two peeples from Hawaii and both are Allan/Allen. They run out of names down there? Somebody should tell them they can go on to "b" names if they get tired of "a" names! (Mayber there's no "b" in the Hawaiian alphabet, so they're not sure which letter to use next!) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 06:33:01 -0800 To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer), Subject: Re: Hawaii names On Feb 10, 8:43am, Chris Myer wrote: > Subject: Hawaii names > I know two peeples from Hawaii and both are Allan/Allen. But Allan Chen has been transplanted in Norther Cal (Bay Area). Allen Kam is on the island of Oahu in Hawaii. > They run out of names down there? Yup, both our parents lost creativity, those names on the Soap Operas just did not appeal to them *ha ha*. They seem to have brought us up alike, Toyota fanatics with backgrounds in Chevys. Hmmm... hey Allen, we could be long lost brothers or something *ha ha*. > Somebody should tell them they can go on to "b" names if they get tired of "a" > names! "b" names, Hmmm... like "b" movies, buffy, biff, bubba, bozo, bullshit, bagong (Filipino fermented fish paste, smells bad but taste great), bruddah (Hawaiian pidgin slang for brother)... > (Mayber there's no "b" in the Hawaiian alphabet, so they're not sure which > letter to use next!) Duuuuhhhh, "z"???? :^) * heh heh... how about if we refer to Allen Kam as Koji or Koji-san, and myself ummm, hmmmm... Hey, Koji can you think of a slang? Latas, Allan Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping } > }I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > }their cars they can write about!!??!! > > I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! > How's that? ;-) > > aaron I'm awake and shivering too!!! My car has so much winter crud on it I can hardly see what color it is!! Does anyone make an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch? I see them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the fuse. There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't want ABS, so a switch might be nice. By the way, ABS and traction control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable. Of course, such techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season. Jon xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:11:37 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: AllenC Query for A Starlet >From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Thu Feb 10 00:36:44 1994 >From: "Allan Chen" >Subject: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... > >Koji and Clark sed: > >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) > >}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > >}thier cars they can write about!!??!! >Okay folks, > You ask for it, you got it... Toyota (Hmmmm... that sounds very >familiar). You want bandwidth, you got it. Techonology on a Fast Track ! Go Toyota ! > I am looking at two possible power plants for an either Starlet or >85-87 Corolla. Koji-san and Roger Smith has given quite a few pointers. Here >is a couple from Roger: OooOOoooOOOooOoo >Little known facts: >(1) Starlet is probably one of the lightest production RWD cars bar none. >My 4AGE Starlet with Driver, spare tire, etc... clocks in at 1900 lbs. The starlet is a well balanced and designed car. A Perfect sleeper car stock. It has all the good suspension and enigne basics to be deceptively fast. The K-series motor is an impressive motor as its self. They properly built can rev up to 11k rpm and turn a 14 second quater mile. A 2.0 T series motor a direct drop in can rocket this car into the 10 second brackets like shown in NYC where they do their street racing. >(2) Corolla GTS front struts/suspension/calipers/sway bar are easily >adapted to starlet. Of course..it is a "Corolla" just in another shape and model =) >(3) GTS rear axle on a starlet would stick out 3 ins on either side with >rims, so body work (Fender Flares from a Golf MK-1 should fit ) is >necessary. Yes they do as the fender flairs from the M3 also fit. There are several body kits for the car in Japan. The GTS rear "end" would also fit but its a mounting type thing. Depening on your offset of your rims and all. It might not be that bad. >(4) 78 celica rear end set up looks stock + comes with bigger Drums. Yes it does, a 1969 Carina has the biggest drums however they are alumunium and may warp. But why do you want drums when ya can have disc ? See Brake Query =) The 1978 rear end is still a 8 bolt i belive maybe ya should go up a 10 or such since rear end gears get cheaper the newer you go =) maybe a Cressida one or a Supra one ? =) >(5) Stock starlet Diff will disintegrate under torque from 4AGE Well...What do ya expect ? Actually with "normal" driving its a direct bolt in motor and it shouldn't be THAT bad if you drive "normally" =) You Babooze ! >(6) The 3SGTE from a Turbo MR2/Celica GT-4 (All trac) is a possibility! The GT-4 motor is a good motor because its a "squared motor" however that is not a direct drop in and might require thought and extra trans work as due to it being a "midengine" type motor or a "front wheel" drive with the GT-4 (I still say a GT-4 is a front wheel drive due to the way the car feels and handles due to the vicious coupling no matter what any bunny says) >(7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet >from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique >in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a >couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there >for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet) Thats proably the best else not there are several places in CA that offer fiberglass parts for cars. Not sure if they have Starlets in mind but they make parts or full bodies. A&A Specialties - Placenta CA, Advanced Composite products and techonoloy - Hunting Beach CA, Aerocraft MFG - Salinas CA, Aircraft Spruce & Speciality co. - Fullerton CA, California Rods 'N Racers - Templeton CA, JAZ Products - Santa Paula, CA, Matt & Glass Race car bodies - Merced CA, The Drop Shop - Chino CA, Baker Precision Berings - Long Beach CA, Davis Motorsports - San Jose CA - De Nunzio Racing Products - Goleta CA, Dick Cepek INC - Carson CA, Ebling Engineering - S El Monte CA, K&P Manufacturing - Azusa CA, Kaeding Performance inc Campbell CA, Race Ready Products - Chula Vista CA, and Tognotti's Auto World in Sacramento CA. (like you really wanted to know that !) > And two lists of contacts. > TRS USA > Carrera Racing Shocks Wow Carrera is still making parts for the Starlet ? Thats mind boggling, I had a sales rep tell me they were discontinuing their Toyota line...oh welps I guess not ! > I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with >the following: > 1) locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission, > rear-end). I can give you another big list but its proably easier to look in the yellow pages or call RJ at TRD or some local shop and ask them who brings in imported motors from japan. I remeber a big add in a cali sunday paper before. > 2) engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California > preferably, but any info would be great). Again call RJ and ask for references..or even jump on the rec.autos list or rec.auto.carstereo or what ever and look for Harry Kimura and ask him for a list of people. > 3) companies who produce adapters to support these mod. Adapters =) I got another big list but best refer to someone in Cali... > 4) aftermarket recommendation: For which motor ? =) > c) suspension For what purpose ? Spirited Street Driving ? Drag ? > c) carburetion/EFI mods EFI if you can keep it. If not a Carb set up or a Haltech system The Haltech is quite cheap now. =) If not just put in Supra Injectors or celica injectors into the GTS EFI > d) alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers, > etc...) Trust makes a turbo Kit for the 4AGE and there is a stroker kit. Which motor ? =) > e) any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics,wheels, > seats, steering wheel, etc... not a priority but nice > anemities to have) No Comment ;) > This little project of mine is to build a sleeper. Quiet but >effective. More like in the lines of "silent but deadly"... hmmm, sounds like a >vicious fart *ha ha* (sorry guys, poor Hawaii humor). It would be nice to >humble some Z28's and 5.0l Mustangs, as well as chasing Porsches through the >corners without spending the big bucks they do. *grin* Easy to do... Just shove a 2.0 3TC motor in and you will be untouchable now. run a EFI if ya gonna go street racing there. More Stealth. > Been brainstorming, cogs are in motion but definitely could use gray >matter from another source. Pick a body and decide if you want bottom end or top or for what purpose ? > I got the NEED, the need for SPEED. How serious ya wanna get =) >Mahalo, >Allan Chen - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:32:59 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Braking >From bahrr@pictel.com Thu Feb 10 02:27:15 1994 >From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) >Subject: A question of stopping >>Koji writes: >>Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? >Koji, >I had abs on my '91 turbo and was nervous about using the car on the track. Phobia ??!!?! >I called toyota up about this and they told me that they don't use abs on >their race cars! Of course not..they have such wonderous things as dual pistion calipers and such... they don't need ABS !!! =) >For me, on the track it got in the way - things I have read indicate that >on the road under advers conditions abs will help the average > driver, on the track it will get in the way. Braking is most efficient when >the tire is sliding a little bit. I ten to agree with this. The Driver has a lot to do with it..but a decent driver in a good car will beat a excellent driver with a decent car. >I had hoped that toyota would follow Audi's lead and make the ABS >system switchable. Well they do have the traction control toggled on the Newer Supra's. It works better with it off cause it shuts down power so if you are used to powering out of things don't try it. It shuts down the computer and such so you become a brick and don't panic into a spin or worse for the adverage driver. >As far as brake shoes - I have used Repco metal Masters for > 10 years, on lots of different cars, and have really liked them. Ahhh Full Metal Brakes... I used them for a while...can't rember why I switched though. >They do not destroy rotors as quickly as full metalic pads, they don't >need to get to hot to work properly, they stop well, and they last. I think mines warped come o think of it... or i had to my rotors often. >These coupled with bleeding the brakes frequently - before and after >every track event seem to work well. Thats simple stuff recommended before ANY MEET. I try and bleed my brakes at least once a month or when it looks dark. Pain in the butt but worth it not fading ! >BTW I use Castrol LMA brake fluid ( Dot 4) Me too ! I like the Dot 4 ! =) >Ray B. *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Brian Goble Subject: Plans for my '88 Supra Turbo To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, supras@vicor.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 9:36:44 PST As many of you may recall, I added an HKS Turbo Exhaust and K&N FilterCharger to my '88 Supra Turbo. In addition, I got hooked an autoxing after doing two events at the end of last summer. Now I'm going to make a few handling improvements (I hope they're improvements!) as I plan to do more autx (Solo II) events when they start up again this Spring. On another note, I recently changed jobs so now my Supra is my daily driver (I use to drive it only 2-3 times per week). Here's my plan: (note, I also want to stay in the stock class) New Tires! The current tires came new with the car when I bought it. They are some HR no-name brand and I don't like them very much. I also want to go with a slightly lower profile tire to lower the car 1/4" or so (stock rules don't allow other types of lowering). I realize this would decrease top speed but increase acceleration slightly (anything else?). I also want to go with a slightly wider tire in the rear. So, I'll want something nice and sticky for autox but still usable as a daily driver (I'm not gonna buy seperate wheels/tires yet :) New shocks! I think the shocks on there now are original. The problem is that if I want to keep TEMS hooked-up, I have to go with original toyota stock shocks to stay in the stock autox class. (and I do want to keep TEMS hooked-up--even though I could go with manually adjustable shocks). Anybody know if there were stiffer shocks available as an option on the type III Supra from Toyota? Stiffer Front Sway-Bar Bushings! From some pictures we took it seemed I was getting excessive body roll so I figured stiffer bushings would be a quick and easy way to reduce it at least a little bit. Rules don't allow me to touch the rear. Alignment! The car probably needs the front end adjusted slightly and I might even go for more autox-style camber (or is it caster? or toe-in?) settings. Well, that's what I'm thinking of doing...I would love to get some feedback from people. What's everybody else doing? Thanx... -Brian ('88 Supra Turbo) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:54:10 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Hawaii Stuff (disreguard sorta) >From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Thu Feb 10 03:02:38 1994 >From: "Allan Chen" > >>In-Reply-To: Allen T "Koji" Kam > >> "Brakes and the HPD =)" (Feb 10, 2:31am) >>On Feb 10, 2:31am, Allen T Koji Kam wrote: >> Subject: Brakes and the HPD =) >> >> (*Crown Victorias and Mustangs and Camaro stuff deleted *) >> Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ? > I know Vegas has Camaro Z28. The New Camaros seem to be the "in car" again for the Cops. I guess Ford has to come out and revamp their Mustangs ? =) Sorry i meant previous the 94 v-6 version... however i did see 2 cops driving around them down here =) >> I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police >> Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their >> "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers. >It sure will save taxpayer money... Have you seen those new recruits, >they were derelicts from my high school past. You know what they say... it >takes one to catch one. Yep I guess so. Even former Toyboy "Mike Mahi" is now a HPD officer. He had a 1986 GTS with Sprinter Taillights and full suspension and minor intake mods. (David Chang too) >> The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a >> 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another >> master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro. >> The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National. > Hey, I remember that I got pulled over by a Grand National... when I >once owned an IROC-Z (My Yellow Banana). Wow.. I remeber crusing along at about 120 or so in my friends Corolla and out of the blue these two headlights appered out of no where and blue lights started a flashing. A Grand National had caught us. We didnt get a ticket though =) thank god for friends on the force =) Hmmm I also remeber out running a Monte Carlo and a Camaro with my Corolla about 2 years ago when they didnt "allow" any mods.. =) >> Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the >> camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore. >> The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and >> then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared >> and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =) > So the lasers are in effect... Shoots, I guess that Solo I purchased >ain't worth shit when I go back home (Hawaii). Yup, I still remember the >announcement when Police Chief Nakamura announced the Camaro they were using. > What pisses me off was his emphasis on busting speeders... I think this police >chief got his priorities wrong. Collecting revenue for the State of Hawaii is >important but we as taxpayers have more important things to worry about... like >protection from crime. Yep.. buy a Bell Laser... it don't help much. The only thing that sorta saves you from the Solo bikers is that they put up a "flare" on the side of the road and tag you as you go past. This is at night =) Day time comming back from a track right by my house my laser detector went off like crazy comming down the big Hill By Kalaheo (sorry folks i know this is 'wierd') and it went off like crazy 5 times.... Appearently had a cop down there shooting his laser gun. One good thing about the detectors. When they go off it means someones shooting a laser gun and the sigal is boucning all over the place =) Invest in A Detector...it helps when you get into that "road happy" mode of driving =) >> (*stuffs deleted*) > Allen, remember that story when the gas stipend for these guys were so >big that they were able to have literally race cars on the street. Do you >recall that big motor black Nova that would race people. Story has it that if >you won, you do not receive a ticket... but, if you are caught you were fined >through your ass. (This was during my hotrod days... kinda early 80ish) Heh i remeber that car well. Lucky i wasn't driving much then cause it pulled over like my older brother and such. Back when I was in high school in 1986-88 Sandy Beach was still a hot spot and Diamond head and the only thing you had to watch out for was the corolla white coupe that if you raced him and won he would shoot at you ! Lucky you don't live in Hawaii ! (However i don't wanna chance a mainland thing now either ! dangerous !) BTW Do the color of your car in the Mainland US make a difference ? Do they really shoot at you if you have a "blue" or "red" car ? If so i'm messed. - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life...