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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 05:02:30 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Japan Spec Info...

I got in touch with my sister in Japan...

Did anyone want info on anything in Japan ?

Besides Roger ? With the Suzuki Swift..shes there till the end of this semster
I belive... and is willing to ride the train for me =)

Please let me know...

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji@interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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From: Gary H 
To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Performance Fuel Pump
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 18:58:48 PST

Welp, my mechanical fuel pump on my 82 Celica is leaking oil again.  It seems
I botched up my fuel pump installation again and I will redo it again in the
next two weeks.  Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in
a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine.  Will
the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase
performance? I was looking at my TRD catalog and there is alot a performance
webber carberator for the 22R engine.  In terms of percentage, how much can
I expect to gain from the webber carberator?

Thanks,
Gary

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From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" 
Subject: TPHandbook
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:46:04 +0800 (WST)

Anyone know a mail order book supplier (pref. with a email address) that
carries the TPHandbook? I'm going nuts trying to find it in Singapore. 
Or anyone willing to mail me a copy? 

bentan

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:19:22 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Performance Fuel Pump

> Welp, my mechanical fuel pump on my 82 Celica is leaking oil again.  It seems
> I botched up my fuel pump installation again and I will redo it again in the
> next two weeks.  Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in
> a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine.  Will
> the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase
> performance? I was looking at my TRD catalog and there is alot a performance
> webber carberator for the 22R engine.  In terms of percentage, how much can
> I expect to gain from the webber carberator?
>
> Thanks,
> Gary

High performance fuel pumps will not give added performance to your
Celica.  On mine (the race car) with the dual 38's on it, the spec'd
fuel pressure is still only 2.5 - 4 psi.  More pressure just risks
flooding the system.  You _may_ get a little added power by capping the
port for your mechanical fuel pump and installing a decent electrical
one, but even then it might not be noticable.  It should eliminate your
oil leakage problem.

As far as carbs go, the Webber 32/36 is an excellent, streetable carb
that costs _less_ than the stock replacement.  Remember, however, that
your best performance gains will be seen because of a total volumetric
efficiency boost, ie, get more air through that engine.  In order to do
that, you really need to add a cam and headers along with the carb to
see a big difference.  Another great source for the 2xR engine is LC
engineering.  Really good info if you are trying to decide what and how
much you want to do.  (Look in the supplier listing for info, the
catalog is $5.00 and worth it.)

Good Luck!
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      ____| \__   '82 4x4                 Christopher P. Myer
      {_^____^_}                    (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com)
	@    @                               (407) 725-8742
	  ___                             Melbourne, Florida
     ____/  ||:.  '81 Celica GT
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:34:39 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine

> Hi. Can anyone confirm whether the 4K-C needs Leaded Gas? I know it "works"
> with unleaded; I've tried (oops!).. What I'm wondering is if the specs say
> leaded or unleaded.
>
> Thanks.
>
> bentan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the following is accurate...

Oil companies started putting lead into gasoline as a way to
artificially and inexpensively raise the octane level of low-octane
gas.  An additional benefit of lead is that it serves as a lubricant of
sorts, coating the operating surfaces of the engine much the same way as
Slick 50, etc.

Then folks started figuring out how deadly lead is, and the government
banned it.  (BTW, you can see that although lead is an additive, gas
without lead is more expensive because it has to have higher octane
without lead.

Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running unleaded in
it.  On the other hand, if you run leaded (as most racing gas is, I
believe) and your car has a catalytic converter, you will clog the
converter and can cause it to get so hot that it can set things on
fire.  Like the time my wife parked on top of a pile of pine needles.
(I was happy that they gave me $1000 for that clunker.)

Hope this helps...
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:53:29 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: RE>>Celica MPG (80)

> This must be a misprint, but my copy of the August 1982 Consumer Reports
> report on the '82 Celica (liftback) lists the EPA estimates for the 5 speed
> as 24/38.  However, the other cars tested were the Dodge Charger, Camaro,
> and Mustang GL all of which got EPA estimates within 4 or so mpg of the
> Celica.  But has anyone gotten anywhere near these figures on the streets?
> CR got (their mileage estimates) 21 mpg city driving and 40 mpg expressway
> driving.  Sounds a lot higher than what everyone else is getting.  I was
> trying to correlate these figures to those which I get for my '80 Celica
> (avg 17/24) which I would figure to get a little less than the '82 but not
> by that much.
>
> -T

Remember too that new cars get much better gas mileage.  Same is true
for motorcycles.  When I used to have a motorcycle (Suzuki GSX-R 750) I
got as high as 70 mpg when I first brought it home from the store.  Not
bad for 4 carbs that you could hear over the sound of the engine.
Later, however, the mileage leveled off at around 42 mpg or so, quite a
drop.

FWIW
(Oh, thought you guys might be getting bored with the same two .sigs all
the time, so here is the .sig I did for the latest program I am on here
at Harris!
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:00:17 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: Engine Information/format..

OK Just, Got my Computer back today..
(Stuff Deleted)

>> Do we want to include timing information?

>
>        Most certainly...  Any information goes a long way.  But wouldn't that
>be in the line of tune-ups?  Is this a general information list.  If not, could
>we also include valve lash and spark plug gaps.
>

After some thought, I came to the conclusion: As with most modifications,
your tune up information will be different from the factory spec, so Stock
Tuning information goes right out the door (mine certainly has). Also since
they are several variations on Toyotas engines, I don't expect we could
fully cover all the specifics. For example, is the Tune up info for a
Canadian spec 3SGTE from an 88 Celica the same as tune up info for an
American 3SGTE as per 93 MR2's? (I would think not), also to keep the info
managable, I propose just the basic info as previously suggested (for now
at least). In the mean time, if someone could fill in the gaps for the
following engines (Just to start somewhere) (just send email to me, and
I'll compile it. Doesn't matter if more than one person sends, as this can
help to verify info) 4AGZE (Supercharged MR2 MK1, (7MGTE/Whatever For
Turbo/Non Turbo Supras), 3SGE, 5MGE, 4K,3K.

eg: 
==================== Cut Here =================
ENGINE: 22RE 
TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head
BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50"
DISPLACEMENT:  2366 cc's or 144 c.i.
COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified
ECU: Toyota, Port Injection
EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least)
TURBO: none
POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw  (1hp = .746kw)
TORQUE: 140 lb-ft@2800 also 190 n-m  (1 lb-ft = 1.355 n-m)
REDLINE: 5800 rpm on tach
VALVE GEAR: Chain driven SOHC
VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2
VEHICLE: 83-85 Celica, 85-current trucks, 2wd and 4wd, 22R was
available
on some trucks for some time after 85 as well.
COMMENTS: Very torquey engine, good low end grunt.  One with 239k miles
was rebuilt and used the original crank with no regrinding necessary.

--                              
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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From: lupienj@wal.hp.com (John Lupien)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:03:20 EST
To: Gary H , Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Performance Fuel Pump

> Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in
> a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine.  Will
> the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase
> performance? 

Probably not. If you are having problems with fuel starvation, you should be
able to tell, and if so then a better pump may help. The best way to tell
is to floor it in third or fourth, and try to determine what RPM the
power drops off. Then compare that with the lower gears (where the fuel
demand is less because you go up through the RPM range faster).

There are other reasons to go with a better pump, though. The Facet
electric pump from Pegasus is really nice - it puts out about 5psi
and you can put a Purolator fuel pressure regulator just before the
carb to keep it at the right feed pressure. If one Facet doesn't
meet your flow requirements (not likely) you can put two on with
parallel outputs.

-- 
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John R. Lupien
lupienj@wal.hp.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 08:27:29 -0700
From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE>>Unleaded Gas in 4K-C En

Chris wrote:
>Oil companies started putting lead into gasoline as a way to
>artificially and inexpensively raise the octane level of low-octane
>gas.  An additional benefit of lead is that it serves as a lubricant of
>sorts, coating the operating surfaces of the engine much the same way as
>Slick 50, etc.
>
>Then folks started figuring out how deadly lead is, and the government
>banned it.  (BTW, you can see that although lead is an additive, gas
>without lead is more expensive because it has to have higher octane
>without lead.

Righto.

>Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem by running unleaded 
>in it.  On the other hand, if you run leaded (as most racing gas is, I
>believe) and your car has a catalytic converter, you will clog the

Well, depends on the engine.  This probably doesn't apply to Japanese
vehicles, but older American iron, like before 71, can be damaged
by running unleaded fuel.  The valve seats before 71 were not hardened
on most engines and tend to recede into the head when run long enough
without the lead for lubricant.  This is mostly long term damage, 
occurring over 10's of thousands of miles, maybe longer depending on
who you ask.  I looked into this when even regular leaded went to
0.1 gram of lead instead of the old 1+ gram per gallon for my 72
Pontiac LeMans.  Turns out the valve seats are hardened on Pontiacs
from 71 on so I can run whatever.  Companies make substitutes now
which lubricate but aren't so toxic if you do need it.

Jim Chott                                 Motorola Dust Devils 4WD club
rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com                  1985 Toyota XtraCab 4wd pickup
Tempe, AZ                                 1972 Pontiac LeMans convertible

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:27:58 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Latest racing results and Daytona...

Well, Tom Julien has done SO much whining about my failure to post my
racing results, I decided that I'd better do it.  (BTW, Tom lives about
20 minutes from the track that I race at and has been too BUSY to make
it the last coupla weeks.  I say if you are too busy to go to the races,
you are too busy.)

But first, Daytona.  A buddy of mine is acquainted with NASCAR owner
Travis Carter, and got us some passes to go see the Ford practice days
at Daytona for the 500.  I was impressed both by the money, and by the
same down-to-earth, try it and see approach that we all take from time
to time.  First, the most expensive things there aren't the cars or
anything like that, its the trailers.  Here are these huge
semi-trailers, painted and polished immaculately, you walk in expecting
to see car parts and stuff, and everything is crome and carpet and
formica.  The back part has a complete kitchen, and the front is a
driver/crew lounge with TV (with satellite antenna), nintendo games,
etc.  In between is a storage area, but it is as clean as the kitchen,
with cabinets and cubbyholes everywhere.  Where do the cars go?  On top
of all of this, between the ceiling of the living area and the top of
the trailer.  The entire back door rotates to horizontal to become a
lift, they back the car onto the lift, and lower it to th

Speaking of 2.5 miles, how long does it take these baby's to go that
far?  They _averaged_ 48 seconds per lap.  Punch that into your Hewlett
Packard!  But then, after a few laps, they'd bring the car in and tweak
something.  Not the approach that most of us engineers like to take (say
the Scientific Method) but rather the "What if" method.  Evidently it
works, probably because they have so much knowledge that their "what
ifs" are real close anyway.  Last "what if" had to do with wind drag on
the front-bottom edge of the rear tires, so they quickly designed some
air dams that fit on the rear of the kick panel (and looked very
impressive despite the fact that they just "what if'd" and a coupla guys
cut and designed them out of sheet metal.)  They put these things on
with a coupla rivets and a lot of duct tape and then back out on the
track.  Sounds like something I'd try, only it did seem to help their
time.

Enough of Daytona.  If anyone wants to know more, email me direct.

As I mentioned before, my racing has gotten better.  2 Friday's ago I
placed second after starting at the back of a 27 car field.  Not too
bad, but I got into first after only 10 or 11 laps, only to screw up and
let a guy drive under me in turn 4 of the second to the last lap.  Oh
well, second ain't too bad, especially when that's better than I'd ever
done.  Last Friday, things were a bit different.  I started 7th of 27,
and moved almost immediately into 3rd (I always out-sprint everyone on
the starts.)  Then, the flag-man (I've had words with this 3rd grade
dropout, hick, "my brother owns the track, and if you don't kiss my
butt, I'll spit chewing terbaccy on yer car" loser)  puts me back to 6th
for who knows what.  Doesn't matter, with this outside position, I jump
into second on the restart, and move to first before a lap is
completed.  (Ha ha, kiss MY butt, you scumbag flag-fag!)  (Oops,
sorry!)  And, to make an exciting race boring, held on the rest of the
race for the WIN!  My first (and I'd like to th

No racing this next weekend (National Guard) and I'm trying to get the
car painted and the roll bar in, so I'm not sure If I will be ready the
week after, either.  Hopefully, when I DO get back to the track Tom
Julien will not be TOO BUSY to watch, so that I won't have to keep on
doing my own victory lane email interviews.
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      ____| \__   '82 4x4                 Christopher P. Myer
      {_^____^_}                    (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com)
	@    @                               (407) 725-8742
	  ___                             Melbourne, Florida
     ____/  ||:.  '81 Celica GT
    <_^___81_^__)
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:29:47 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Kennedy Adapters...

Has anyone heard of the Supplier Kennedy Adapters? I was talking to RJ at
TRD about the possibility of putting a 3SGTE in a RWD car, (I really called
to find out about crank case venting on 4AGE -- more in a later message)
and he said that the guys at Kennedy Adapters (some where in Calif.) could
supply an adapter that would mate it to a nissan gear box). (No, -I'm not
planning a 3SGTE for my starlet :-) just curious.

--                              
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:16:06 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: The case of the missing text...

I have been told from time to time that part of my posts seem to get
lost.  I am trying to figure out if this is a logical problem (like my
send mailer deciding a paragraph is too long and chopping it) or a 'net
problem.

In any case, if my message about my races and Daytona ended abruptly in
some places, how about sending that message back to me so I can see if
it is happening to everybody in the same place, or just to some folks in
assorted places.  (Wow, what a confusing sentence!)

Thanks!
--
Chris

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:16:55 -0500
To: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: Adapters...
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

>Errrr what adapters are you referring to ?
>
>bellhousing ?
>
>tranmission ?
>
>Drive shaft ?
>
>Jus pondering...
>

Apparently Kennedy Adapters have provided adapter plates for all of the
above situations, however as would be the case (of a RWD setup) with 3SGTE
with Nissan Gear Box, you would need an adapter plate to connect the
_bellhousing_ to the 3SGTE block.

>-allen
>
>BTW...hows the cold ? Warm thoughts from hawaii

Well Today is actually supposed to be Ground Hog Day! (Go see the movie)
The weather has actually warmed up a bit This week (high's of -8 C are
expected!).

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Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 07:30:26 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Hmmm... References...

I'm not sure if this will help anyone.. I was jus going through a few magazines
I get here..and actually reading them... maybe this will provide insight
on matters relating to this Mailing List... if not... better then nothing I
Guess...
 
A & A Specialties
220 E Santa Fe Ave
Placenta, CA 92670-5631
(714)993-6770
Race Car Bodies
 
Pro Glass Inc
1612 Landmeier Rd
Elk Grove Village IL 60007-2463
(708) 952-0135
Lexan Racing Windows
 
Trans-Dapt
9599 West Jefferson Blvd
Culver City, California 90232
(310) 839-7581
Performance Acessories (Big Selecton)
 
Turbo Start Racing Batteries
3601 Wilmington Road
New Castle, PA 16105
(412) 658-5501
Racing Batteries =)
 
Custom Parts
Nationwide (800) 864-4790
Oklahoma(800) 522-4308
Metro area (405) 682-4435
Fax (405) 682-4438
2400 South May Avenue
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
73108
They say that carry all the top names in complete motor accessories.

This is more for American Cars but i'm sure they have adaptations to our uses or they can =)

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:31:49 PST
From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Engine Information/format..

}ENGINE: 22RE 
}TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head
}BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50"
}DISPLACEMENT:  2366 cc's or 144 c.i.
}COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified
}ECU: Toyota, Port Injection
}EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least)
}TURBO: none
}POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw  (1hp = .746kw)
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hey!  Roger! Good stuff!!!

Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated 
for 107hp.  Don't know what the torque spec is though.

aaron

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:54:00 -0700
From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE>>Engine Information/form

Jim said:
}POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw  (1hp = .746kw)
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Aaron said:
>Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated 
>for 107hp.  Don't know what the torque spec is though.

I got that number from the truck brochure, 85-94.  A magazine article
I have says that for 85 in the trucks, compression was raised from 
9.0 to 9.3 and EFI was added.  Maybe in the Celicas, which already
had the EFI, the compression was raised in 85, accounting for the
added horsepower.

Jim Chott

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From: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: Engine Information/format..
To: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com. (Aaron Lung)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:59:17 -0500 (EST)
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com. (Toyota Mods ML)

> }ENGINE: 22RE 
> }TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head
> }BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50"
> }DISPLACEMENT:  2366 cc's or 144 c.i.
> }COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified
> }ECU: Toyota, Port Injection
> }EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least)
> }TURBO: none
> }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw  (1hp = .746kw)
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> hey!  Roger! Good stuff!!!
> 
> Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated 
> for 107hp.  Don't know what the torque spec is though.

    Sounds right, I remember the figures for my '83 GT-S being 107hp@4800
and 137lb-ft@2800.  Anyone know what they changed to get the slight 
increase?

(the other) Aaron

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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 14:00:59 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Broken Paragraphs!

Thanks to those of you who sent me my mail back for analysis.  Mark
pointed out that both times the dropout occurred, it happened on the
15th line.  I couldn't find anything limiting my paragraphs to 15 in my
.mailrc (the mail utilities run command file, for you non-UNIX'rs).
Then I thought, "Hmmm, 15 lines times 72 characters per line (max) is
1080 characters."  That would put the 1024th character squarely on line
15.  Hmmm.  Sure enough, after sending myself some test mailings,
everthing after the 1024th character typed without a return is ignored,
obviously the result of a buffer size limitation.

(Note the new paragraph where I usually would have continued to drone
on...)

Anyway I let the "fmt_mail" utility put my carriage returns into my
mail, so I don't hit carriage returns at the end of each line.

Bottom line:  I'll have to write shorter paragraphs.

As far as what got lost...First, I was talking about the trailers there
at the track:

Where do the cars go?  On top of all of this, between the ceiling of the
living area and the top of the trailer.  The entire back door rotates to
horizontal to become a lift, they back the car onto the lift, and lower
it to the ground.  I'll bet that baby goes for a cool million, not
counting the pulling rig.  Oh, I forgot to mention the custom viewing
deck built on the top of the entire thing.  Allowing you to watch the
entire race from the infield, even at a 2.5 mile track like Daytona.

Then, during the discussion of my race...

And, to make an exciting race boring, held on the rest of the race for
the WIN!  My first! (And I'd like to thank all of the folks in the
Toyota-Mods group that made this possible....)  The only other
"exciting" part was that my car was running like CRAP!  Missing like
crazy.  I know the carb is too rich, and I think that it finally fouled
out the spark plugs.  I usually clean them before each race, but I
negelected to do so this time.  I only won by controlling the track, a
technique I have been working on doing better at.  Made a huge 15
bucks!  Not much but since this is technically a "trophy-only" class,
getting your entry fee back is fantastic.

(Yecchy on the sentence structure in the 3rd to the last line!)

Well, thanks for your forbearance, and I will try to keep the paragraphs
shorter!

Chris

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From: arvidj@aol.com
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 94 17:50:42 EST
Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine

Chris,

>Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running
>unleaded in it.

I believe that statement is incorrect. I'll check my facts and
will give references soon, but I believe some pre-unleaded
engines assume the existance of lead in the fuel for things
other than octane enhancement. I recall seeing 'must have
hardened valve seats installed to use this head with unleaded
fuel', but can not recall where.

Real facts, real soon now,
Arvid

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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:54:08 +1000 (EST)
From: Murray Chapman 
Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine
To: arvidj@aol.com
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

On Wed, 2 Feb 1994 arvidj@aol.com wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running
> >unleaded in it.
> 
> I believe that statement is incorrect. I'll check my facts and
> will give references soon, but I believe some pre-unleaded
> engines assume the existance of lead in the fuel for things
> other than octane enhancement. I recall seeing 'must have
> hardened valve seats installed to use this head with unleaded
> fuel', but can not recall where.

Lead acts as a lubricant.  If you run a leaded engine with unleaded fuel,
you will destroy your valves relatively quickly.

Murray

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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 15:26:04 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: New Members

We again welcome new members...

>>>>>Dirk Sieber<<<<<

Name     : Dirk Sieber
Location : Victoria/Vancouver B.C., Canada
Model    : 1986 Celica GTS
Engine   : 3S-GE
Mods     : Not much... yet... ;-)  Larger tires is about it
email    : dsieber@unixg.ubc.ca

I liked your examples... good taste... ;-)

Well, a bit about myself... I'm a student at the University of Victoria,
out here on the (very) west coast of British Columbia.  I picked up a
Celica GT-S about 2 years ago, and now finally am starting to have some
time (and the money) to put some work into it.  I will freely admit that
this sort of thing is all new to me, as this is the first car I've
actually owned, vs just driven.

I'm basically looking for ideas and guidance on what sort of things are
possible, what can be done without the need for a professional shop
(I do have access to a large collection of tools), and what sort of
things I might find affordable & useful.

I thought that what I was looking for probably is a little more
complecated than the bleeding of brakes, etc that you mention for the
normal toyota list, but I do have to admit I probably wouldn't have an
awful lot to contribute here.  However, I wouldn't mind lurking in the
corners for a while to pick up what I can, if you wouldn't mind.

>>>>> Steve Chaffee<<<<<
Email: steve@liatris.cfnr.colostate.edu
Name:  Steve Chaffee
Model:   1987 toyota 4x4 minivan (more power would be nice, but not
				  my reason for subscribing here)

	 1986 mr2 - actually dad's car now, but in two years he wants
		    to retire, buy a sailboat and play, at the same time
		    my wife will (hopefully) finish her phd, and this would
		    make a nice little present.

engine:   van - 4age - There is also a "h" or "y" in there, I'll check
		       tonight.

	  mr2 - can't remember that either, I'll check, you probably know
		anyway.

mods:     van - heh, heh, do floormats count? :)
		I'm all ears on suggestions though.

	  mr2 - bone stock except for tires - dunlop d40 m2's

		This is the one we're planning on working with.

		Concerns:
		       1.) reliability
		       2.) legality (this is front-range Colorado,
				     emissions are abig concern)
		       3.) scca rules. Dad is interested in playing
			   a little, but staying in stock class until
			   he figures out the car (it replaces his 71
			   240z - RIP, rust never sleeps, and handles
			   just a wheeeee bit different). This probably
			   limits him to k&n filters, cat-back exhaust,
			   tires, and maybe struts.

		 Future plans/ideas: port/polish/match (shave?) heads
			   lighten the flywheel
			   suspension stuff - springs, strut tie-bars,
			   larger sway bars.
			   brakes - larger rotors? drilled?

		 Questions: I've played with scirrocos (a1), datsuns (240),
			   and nissans (stanza). I've done/had done head
			   intake, and suspension stuff similar to the
			   above. It's pretty easy to find info for the
			   (and parts) vw's and nissans from the likes of
			   neuspeed and nissan motorsports, but I know
			   nothing, have no sources for the more-recent
			   toyotas. I want to know things like, will a
			   port/polish do anything on the mr2? (on some
			   nissan heads it will, on others it won't, due
			   to some nasty tight radius bends in the intake).
			   What exhaust work (if any) helps the highend
			   with out trashing low-end torque (headers are
			   pretty much out of the question due to emmisions).

I`ll stop now. If what I'm asking isn't appropriate to this group, let me
know and I'll look elsewhere. I realize I'm a beginner here, but I've
done enough in the past to probably understand a lot of what you're saying.
I plan on just lurking for a little while to learn what I can before
disrupting things too bad with lots of questions you've all probably
asked and answered a million times before (by the way do you have a 
faq-type thing available to help bring me up to speed?).

<<<<<>>>>>

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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 17:23:38 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Query Steve Chaffee 
 
>Email: steve@liatris.cfnr.colostate.edu
>Name:  Steve Chaffee
>Model:   1987 toyota 4x4 minivan (more power would be nice, but not
>                                  my reason for subscribing here)
 
Wow ! You got the sports van conversion ?!?!
 
>         1986 mr2 - actually dad's car now, but in two years he wants
>                    to retire, buy a sailboat and play, at the same time
>                    my wife will (hopefully) finish her phd, and this would
>                    make a nice little present.
 
>engine:   van - 4age - There is also a "h" or "y" in there, I'll check tonight
 
Woah ya got me on this one... I know the Van was partially Corolla but not
sure about the sports version =)
 
>          mr2 - can't remember that either, I'll check, you probably
>          know anyway.
 
MR-2 of your year is the 4AGE =) (that I tink I know)
 
>mods:     van - heh, heh, do floormats count? :)
>                I'm all ears on suggestions though.
 
Floormats do count. I prefer the "Stock" Toyota mats that are optional with the
name embroidered on them. They cost about $40 but well worth it I think =)
 
>          mr2 - bone stock except for tires - dunlop d40 m2's
 
Sheesh... Tire of choice I guess =)
 
>                This is the one we're planning on working with.
 
Wow... I bet he even has a project on his finger ;)
 
>                Concerns:
>                       1.) reliability
 
Hmmmmm thats why you (*cough cough*) Got a Toyota ;)
 
>                       2.) legality (this is front-range Colorado,
>                                     emissions are a big concern)
 
You got me again here on emissions... I'm Lucky I live without them here but
there are tricks to making your car pass if you do heavy mods but you
shouldn't have to get that serious.
 
>                       3.) scca rules. Dad is interested in playing
>                           a little, but staying in stock class until
>                           he figures out the car (it replaces his 71
>                           240z - RIP, rust never sleeps, and handles
>                           just a wheeeee bit different). This probably
>                           limits him to k&n filters, cat-back exhaust,
>                           tires, and maybe struts.
 
I would run the MR-2 in stock class which throws it in C - Stock. The
MR-2 is built for autocrossing from the showroom. Thus is why you have the
stock stut-tower braces and hole in your drivers seat for the 5-point harness.
 
(*chuckle*) and that 3 1/2 inch subwoofer under the drivers seat ;)
 
>                 Future plans/ideas: port/polish/match (shave?) heads
>                           lighten the flywheel
 
The 4AGE motor is a bit expensive to build but if you gonna do that the
lightended flywheel i'm not sure about. I've had good experiences with it and
bad. However if you are used to this then its no problem what so ever.
 
>                           suspension stuff - springs, strut tie-bars,
>                           larger sway bars.
 
Run stock class there are strut tower bars available and anti-sway bars for
the car and this is a stock modification so its still legal in c - stock.
Change your struts to the TRD ones and maybe your bushings. If you want camber
numbers i can give you a set of them depening on how heavy the driver is.
 
>                           brakes - larger rotors? drilled?
 
The MR-2 is one of the few cars with a good braking system. You really don't
need it but more power to you if you want it.
 
>                 Questions: I've played with scirrocos (a1), datsuns
>                 (240),
>                           and nissans (stanza). I've done/had done head
>                           intake, and suspension stuff similar to the
>                           above. It's pretty easy to find info for the
>                           (and parts) vw's and nissans from the likes
>                           of
>                           neuspeed and nissan motorsports, but I know
>                           nothing, have no sources for the more-recent
>                           toyotas. I want to know things like, will a
>                           port/polish do anything on the mr2? (on some
>                           nissan heads it will, on others it won't, due
>                           to some nasty tight radius bends in the
>                           intake).
 
Scirrocos are good, jus the transmissions are weak as with all VW's and the
240 is one of the BEST if not the BEST balanced autocross car there is in a
stock class or a street prepared class due to the power band and balance of
the car.
 
>                           What exhaust work (if any) helps the highend with-
>                           out trashing low-end torque (headers are pretty
>                           much out of the question due to emmisions).
 
Exhaust is proably you'll have to go errrr I dunno... with emissions i dunno...
 
>I`ll stop now. If what I'm asking isn't appropriate to this group, let me
>know and I'll look elsewhere. I realize I'm a beginner here, but I've
>done enough in the past to probably understand a lot of what you're
>saying.
 
Heh don't mind me... i'm jus bubbling and taking up bandwith since the
Toyota Mailing list (the other one) has been spitting out like 20 mail
per day plus (*sigh*)
 
>I plan on just lurking for a little while to learn what I can before
>disrupting things too bad with lots of questions you've all probably
>asked and answered a million times before
 
We have ? Nah... unless you have a good timing chain story =)
 
BTW Nah... Which Colorado is this ? =)

Take it Easy....

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 08:18:49 -0800
To: Allen T "Koji" Kam  ,
Cc: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com
Subject: Encountering packet losses

Ah most honorable Koji-san,

	Please enlighten me with your Toyota ways... :^)  Allen, just out of
curiosity.  Did you receive a copy of Gary Hong's email regarding my email
address or either received my post to you.  It seems as if I may either be
encountering packet losses from my server or the University's server is
bouncing my mail.

	My apologies for using bandwidth other than for the newsgroup.

Mahalos,
Allan "transplanted toyboy" Chen
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 13:53:11 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: 1994 Spec's for Formula Atlantic 4AGE... 

There is a short blurb (with picture) on the 94 Formula Atlantic 4AGE in
the March 94 Car&Driver, apparently with the new TRD EFI system (US
$3,000), Max. output remains unchanged (240 BHP), but the engine develops
50 more  BHP by 5000 RPM, than with the carb'd engines of last year.

--                              
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:55:02 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Clutches for 4AGE...

Anyone know  if you can use the pressure plate/clutch from the supercharged
MR2 in a corolla GTS gear box? The TRD spec sheet for corolla GTS lists a
pressure plate/clutch with 550kg clamping force VS stocks 4x0. TRD
literature for 4agze lists clutches/pp up to 700KG. How much of a
difference would this make to (clutch) pedal pressure?

--                              
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:38:29 -0800 (PST)
From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS

. . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice
calls out . . .

Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting +
erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back
in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe.  Ten years ago, when I
purchased the pipes, it was a very different world.  Bottom line, I picked them
up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked.

Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with
injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low
I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some
out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these
things.

Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers.
However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my
search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their
own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for.  I'm
convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill.  I plan
on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove
so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during
cusory inspections also).

Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails.

Thanks, Clark

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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 09:44:42 -0800
To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith),
Subject: Re: Tuning Toyotas Twin Cam Terror...

On Jan 28, 10:08am, Roger Smith wrote:
> Subject: Tuning Toyotas Twin Cam Terror...
> The Subject line is taken from the cover of the Jan. 94 issue of Car, and
> Car conversions (British Magazine). Contains useful info, that even "I"
> didn't know ;-) One point mentioned, was the fact that "the head design, is
> such that if the belt brakes, there is sufficient tolerances that you
> *shouldn't* bend a valve". Also the fact that "later 4AG blocks used
> reinforced "ribs" to eliminate sonic resonance, vs for strength". All in
> all not a bad article as they compare the FX-16, to MR2, to GTS.

	Sorry to trouble you folks but it seems like I am unable to obtain
January's issue of CAR magazine.  They seem to run out of it quickly here in
the pennisula.  If anybody could forward me a copy of the magazine (just let me
know what the postage is too) or a xerox copy of the article... I will be
forever grateful.

Roger,

	If you are reading this... I beg of you to xerox me a copy.

Thanks,
Allan Chen
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

p.s. My mailing address is:

	Silicon Graphics Inc.
	2011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 1L-745
	Mountain View, CA  94043

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 06:50:54 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Product Directory

I was cleaning my room the other day....
And found my product buyers guide. 
It lists places of High Performance Racing Parts from 
A - Z you name the manufactor or  distrubior I have the address etc
or at least a name of companies to contact and what areas they are in.

Drop me a line or I'll post it on Toy-mods list...

Remind me if i don't get back to ya in 3 days. The Lists for some parts are
quite long. 

I'll try put up a listing or a index maybe one day...

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 14:15:06 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: More new members

And now, introducing out two newest members, is spokesmodel Chris Myer
(*GAG*)

Wait, this isn't Star Search.  And what is a spokesmodel anyway?

Anyhow, here are two more members.

>>>>>Douglas Pike<<<<<
name:           Douglas Pike
location:       Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda
Model:          85 Celica GT
engine:         22re

modes:

atostreet stock cam (TRD)

Supra rims Supra seats
neopream? bushing for all suspension componets
dis connected egr system/ and advanced timing by 8 degrees
more to come.....

>>>>>Andrew Lagden<<<<<
Name     :      Andrew Lagden
Age      :      20
Birthdate:      15/12/73
Location :      University Of Kent, Canterbury, England, UK
Model    :      1978 Toyota Celica 2000ST
Engine   :      18R-G DOHC (from 1983/84 Europe)
Mods     :      2.5 inch exauhst system (Homebuilt)
		Revolution 6x14inch 5 spoke alloys with
		195 & 205/60x14 tyres.
		Sports steering wheel (essential instead of the huge bus
					type steering wheel)
		3.9 Limited Slip diff.
		Electronic Ignition Module.
email    :      aml2@ukc.ac.uk

Me       :      I am currently studying computer science at the
University
		of Kent in England, now in my second year out of three year
		course. I have always been extremely keen on cars, as my
		father used to work for Fords, and i love dismantling
		things..

Car      :      I bought the celica as my first car in January 1992, and
		have fallen in love with it ever since. When the original
		18R engine blew up, i was ready to give in, until i saw
		an add for a brand new unused 18R-G engine for sale. I
		got hold of it, and realising it was meant for a European
		82-84 Celica (Model RA63), i had some work to do to get
		it all installed, (New accelerator linkages, sump and
		downpipe/exhaust system and electronic ignition,
		as it had a different dizzy to my old engine.
		Now the celica runs sweet as can be, and i am trying to
		find sources of other performance parts such as
		brakes/suspension. But most of all I want a TURBO.

Reason for joining : To gain a greater knowledge, to modify my TOYOTA to be
		     the best and only car ill ever have...
<<<<<>>>>>

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:02:01 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Query Newbies Welcome !
 
>From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Mon Feb  7 09:15:53 1994
 
>And now, introducing out two newest members, is spokesmodel Chris Myer
>(*GAG*)
 
Woo Woo !!! Lookie at them legs ! ;)
 
>Wait, this isn't Star Search.  And what is a spokesmodel anyway?
 
Its so much more !!!! A Spokesmodel is like Gina Aurio =)
 
>Anyhow, here are two more members.
 
Oh goodie.. that makes the count what ? =)
 
>>>>>Douglas Pike<<<<<
>name:           Douglas Pike
>location:       Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda
>Model:          85 Celica GT
>engine:         22re
 
>modes: atostreet stock cam (TRD)
 
Lets see... thats the 280/280 cam ? The Crane Cam Shaft or the Iskenderian
came has a better or bigger torquer cam for the 20/22R motor i think...
But its a still a good cam...
 
>Supra rims Supra seats
>neopream? bushing for all suspension componets
>dis connected egr system/ and advanced timing by 8 degrees
>more to come.....
 
Neopream = Polyurathane bushing i belive or a type of them.
8 Degrees is okay... do you have the adjustable timing gear ? or do you
jus crank your timing a lot ? or you use it for more top end ?
bottom end ? all around =)
 
Supra Rims and Seats =) from the same model type supra =)
 
>>>>>Andrew Lagden<<<<<
>Name     :      Andrew Lagden
>Age      :      20
>Birthdate:      15/12/73
>Location :      University Of Kent, Canterbury, England, UK
>Model    :      1978 Toyota Celica 2000ST
>Engine   :      18R-G DOHC (from 1983/84 Europe)
>Mods     :      2.5 inch exauhst system (Homebuilt)
 
Straight pipe ?
 
>                Revolution 6x14inch 5 spoke alloys with
 
Revolutions are dang light =) Good Autocrossing rims =)
And Street rims =) I like them...
 
>                195 & 205/60x14 tyres.
 
What kinna tires ? Or jus street ones ?
 
>                Sports steering wheel (essential instead of the huge bus
>                                        type steering wheel)
 
Any brand ? What Size ? did ya go up or down from the 14" ?
 
>                3.9 Limited Slip diff.
 
Woah... Top end flyer ! =)
 
>                Electronic Ignition Module.
 
Stock Wires ? Ignition ? Coil ? =)
 
>email    :      aml2@ukc.ac.uk
 
Wow.. UK Peeples !
 
>Me       :      I am currently studying computer science at the University
>                of Kent in England, now in my second year out of three year
>                course. I have always been extremely keen on cars, as my
>                father used to work for Fords, and i love dismantling
>                things..
 
Sounds familiar... my dad's into Chevy's or at least Ford bodies with
Chevy motors... Go Figure =)
 
>Car      :      I bought the celica as my first car in January 1992, and
>                have fallen in love with it ever since. When the original
>                18R engine blew up, i was ready to give in, until i saw
>                an add for a brand new unused 18R-G engine for sale. I
>                got hold of it, and realising it was meant for a
>                European
 
Wow... where was it sitting around ?!?! =)
 
>                82-84 Celica (Model RA63), i had some work to do to get
>                it all installed, (New accelerator linkages, sump and
>                downpipe/exhaust system and electronic ignition,
>                as it had a different dizzy to my old engine.
 
Did ya use the stock exhaust or ya had to buy the TRD ?
 
>                Now the celica runs sweet as can be, and i am trying to
>                find sources of other performance parts such as
>                brakes/suspension. But most of all I want a TURBO.
 
18RG Turbo came in Turbo Vehicles there. Check a Starlet or change to a
different motor. If not I know the one Iron Man Stewart is a Turbo i think
or there is one.
 
>Reason for joining : To gain a greater knowledge, to modify my TOYOTA to be
>                     the best and only car ill ever have...
 
Amen... What more can ya say ?!?!!?!?
 
Don't mind me... If ya can stand my bad typing and bad spelling who knows...
You might learn something from Chris,Roger,Tom,Aaron etc etc from me ?
Ya'll learn bad ways to type ! =)

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:18:33 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine...

>From goble@maxwell.ee.washington.edu Sun Jan  9 20:28:40 1994
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 94 15:49:05 -0800
From: Brian Goble 8727676 
 
Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine
 
>I just picked up the March '94 issue of "Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance"
>magazine.  (For those of you in the Seattle area, I found it at
>Barnes & Noble books in Bellevue--first place I've seen it).
 
Subscribe to Turbo Magzine ! It comes weally early !
 
>The thing that caught my I was on the cover it says:
> HOT! 12-Second
> Single-Turbo Supra
 
Single Turbo Supra (*gasp*) ha ha don't those cover storys jus get ya Brian ?
Heh...
 
>On page 44 is the story of an '87 Supra Turbo that can a 12.39 1/4 mile at
>116 mph.  It's generatring around 500 hp (50 of which comes from nitrous)!
 
Actually Its pretty darn good for a street car. It is lower etc but he paid
big big bucks for a car that don't or should turn faster times.
 
Actually a friend down here (Yes Andrew Higa Allanc heh) has a similar
project. The NOS is used basically for a launching type to get the turbo
spooling and to get off the line. He's currently going after Pat's supra
down here. Andrew has about all the good goodies in his turbo supra,
but his is also SLAMMED (not lowered) to the ground with new 16" OZ Racing
rims (ya he bent the SSR's -pout-)
 
There is what could possible be the fastest Production Model Supra
down here that bought like the ONLY Supra that has the conversion to remove
the air box and his Turbo produces 800HP on the street, but he's just a
Street driver who drives it to work and bought eberrything HKS has and
is debating on rims now.
 
However... Pats Drag White Supra IS the fastest production Supra in the WORLD.
(errr wait.. fastest is lowest et ? no mph ? well he has the lowest et one)
Running close to stock offest rims and tires and a similar car can be
built for 20k or so and achieve 10 second time slips.
 
>I noticed the the picture in the lower-left corner of page 44 refers to
>the car as "second-generation"--when it is really the "third-generation"
>Supra.
 
I think they don't count the 80-82 "Celica Supras" as Supras =) I know I
Don't ! ;) nah nah nah...
 
>Just FYI...
 
>-Brian
> ==)------------
>               Brian Goble     |     goble@ee.u.washington.edu
>               "Finishing a close second means you didn't win."
>                                                              ------------(==
 
Damm... Just like some one crashing into you around the last corner during a
race huh ? Dammm... Thats harsh...
 
Hey there's a New Virtua Racing Game called Virtua Indy !!! I'm going to
Vegas in August jus to play it ;) Anyone wanna join me =)
 
(Okay... so i'm a little late in my back mail ! but the mailer here is messed*)

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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From: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine...
To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu. (Allen T "Koji" Kam)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:43:24 -0500 (EST)
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com. (Toyota Mods ML),

> Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine
> >I just picked up the March '94 issue of "Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance"
> >magazine.  (For those of you in the Seattle area, I found it at
> >Barnes & Noble books in Bellevue--first place I've seen it).

...

> However... Pats Drag White Supra IS the fastest production Supra in the WORLD.
> (errr wait.. fastest is lowest et ? no mph ? well he has the lowest et one)
> Running close to stock offest rims and tires and a similar car can be
> built for 20k or so and achieve 10 second time slips.

    Don't go away, Koji!  I've got a gleam in my eye and I'm itching
to yank the tail on my white beast... unfortunately I've got sort of
severe cash flow problems at the moment, so I'm going to have to wait
a couple months before I can buy any more toys.  I'm expecting a
drastic improvement in my employment situation in that time frame, one
way or the other, and then I'm going to beg your help in at least
getting to the embarass-Corvettes-new RX7's-3000GTs level. >:)

   Also, I just noticed that the air intake path on the 87-92 Supra
Turbos routes the post-intercooler air right over the darn turbo
housing.  They route the air through 8 feet of ducting to get to the
intercooler and back, then cook it again right above the turbo just
before it enters the block... sheesh.  I then remembered that that
12-second Supra had wrapped the post-intercooler air ducting with
some kind of thermal wrap.  Anyone have any suggestions for what
I should use for similar effect?  I'd prefer to spend $50 or less,
and settle for 80% instead of spending $100+ for NASA materials and
getting the extra 20% for 100% efficiency.

Aaron

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To: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods ML),
Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... 
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 94 10:53:39 -0800
From: danapple@vicor.com

> abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu writes:

> I then remembered that that
> 12-second Supra had wrapped the post-intercooler air ducting with
> some kind of thermal wrap.  Anyone have any suggestions for what
> I should use for similar effect?

Use some heavy duty tin foil, shiny side out.  It's not an insulator,
but will reflect heat energy.  Maybe use the foil to surround some
insulation.  Just make sure the foil doesn't touch the exhaust manifold.

> Aaron

Dan.

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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 94 12:58:12 CST
From: J Grant Montgomery 
To: 
Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine...

>
>Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine
>
>>I noticed the the picture in the lower-left corner of page 44 refers to
>>the car as "second-generation"--when it is really the "third-generation"
>>Supra.
>
>I think they don't count the 80-82 "Celica Supras" as Supras =) I know I
>Don't ! ;) nah nah nah...           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Yes, I believe they do count those Celica Supras as Supras - merely
part of the Mark I or first-generation Supras.  I have an '85 "Celica
Supra, and I am pretty sure it's a Mark II Supra  Can someone correct
me if I'm wrong?

Grant

UT BAD1  /  '85 Toyota Celica Supra  5-Speed & Alpine CD

       /  WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

     /  Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!!

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:07:34 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: My unsubscription to the other Toyota mailing list

Just wanted to assure all of the members of the Toyota-Mods mailing list
that I do not plan on allowing the toyota-mods list to succomb to the
recent pressure we have received to curtail our access to email here at
Harris.  My unsubscription to the regular Toyota mailing list was merely
an attempt to pacify those at Harris who are anal-retentive about the
use of the internet.

Hopefully this will serve as motivation to me to get one of my Sun
workstations at home running and move the list (and mosaic server)
there.  I doubt I will do that any time soon, though.
--
    Christopher P. Myer                  cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 19:58:42 EST
From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: cornering ( was: how fast ...)

Allen,

>>So just what are the "optimal pressures". I think I'm running a little>
>>softer than others in this group. (I use 30psi all around on 1 size over
>>stock RE71's)

>I'd bet everyone in the group not seeking chiropractic help for their spine
>is at "sub-optimal" pressures.

>For my stone stock '93 turbo, 195/55-15 A022 front, 225/50-15 A022 back,
>about 50 degree ambient tempurature, tires at operating tempurature:

>43 Front, 45 Back.

>This gave the highest g loading (.9+ in both directions) with minimum
>understeer at the limit. Within the range of 39 - 45 front and
>29 - 51 rear, I was never able to get rid of the understeer, just
>able to control how much of it there was.

>The car felt very 'happy' with these settings while autocrossing,
>but I had to go back to my normal 33 front, 35 back for street use.
>The higher setting had absolutely NO give and would probably shake
>the fenders off the car in a week of daily driving on smooth asphalt
>roads.

>Your setup needs are probably very different,
>Avid 

These preasures seem a bit high to me. I don't really know how the A022's 
behave hot, but the A008RS' seem to operate best around 35 PSI +-, on the
track. Difference here might be in tire temperature?? Tire adheasion is a
function of tire preasure and temp ( beyond the temp / preasure relationship)
and past certain preasures the adheasion goes back down. If you have access
to a tire pyrometer then I would use that to tune your suspension,
otherwise use white shoe polish, pick 2/3 spots on each tire, and draw
radial lines from the tread to about 2 in toward the center of the tire,
take the car for a 'spin' and see where the shoe polish is rubbing off.
this will tell you how much tire you are using/not using.

my $0.02

Enjoy

Ray B.

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:48:00 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: A Question of Stopping...

Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ?

Also with Metallic brake pads and semi metallic ?

Bronze metallic are in there also.

I belive a 4 wheel disc system is the best but my drum brakes do decently
for me even though i want to upgrade to a GTS rear end from AE86 or so.

Thanks...

-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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P.S. This place is too quiet ;) 

P.P.S. One last Query...do you feel you Supra owners with ABS and without
       that your car tends to brake fade ? =)

-Koj

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:52:43 -0800 (PST)
From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS

. . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice
calls out . . .

 (here we go again)

Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting +
erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back
in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe.  Ten years ago, when I
purchased the pipes, it was a very different world.  Bottom line, I picked them
up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked.

Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with
injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low
I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some
out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these
things.

Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers.
However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my
search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their
own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for.  I'm
convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill.  I plan
on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove
so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during
cusory inspections also).

Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails.

Thanks, Clark

ps: This is a repost of a note that "apparently" got lost in cyberspace, so
mucho apologies if you've already received it.

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:21:21 -0800 (PST)
From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

Koji writes:

>Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ?

Koji, I've got two comments on this.  First, apparently the Highway Safety
Commission or "Some Big Goverment Bureaucratic Organization" recently reported
that ABS equipped cars are in just as many accidents as non-ABS cars. Knowing
the way statistics are distorted its hard for me to quantify what this number
actually means.  Seems that you'd  have to at least normalize it by the number 
of cars in each catagory.  Also, the types of accidents are important, for 
example rear-end vs front-end, and  whose fault it was.  At one extreme the non-
ABS cars could be hitting the ABS cars and yes from this you could conclude that
both types of cars are in the same amount of accidents.  Food for thought.

Second, I've got a friend on the LAPD.  The new Crown Victorias they use come
with ABS and they all hate it.  He claims that in a pursuit situation the
ABS is a hinderance since it interferes with the constructive use of the brakes
in some of the radical maneuvers they pull.  You might conclude that if you 
know how to drive (which is subjective) and you've got correctly sized and
balanced four-way disks, who needs ABS?  I've got it on my 944s2 (had it for 4 
years) and have never had it engage in a "panic-stop".  I do slam on it now and
then just as a check tho.

Funny side note:  The Victorias come with air bags, which they also hate.  Seems
the crooks in certain situations will cause the police car to ram their vehicle 
and set the bags off.  Pretty tricky stuff . . 

Maybe there's nothing really definitive to conclude from all this, just some
stuff to think about.

>Also with Metallic brake pads and semi metallic ? Bronze metallic are in there
>also.

The deal with metallics is they'll take alot before they start to fade.
Organics under heavy and frequent use will heat to the point where they start
to vaporize at the pad/rotor interface and hence "fade.  Not good.

Metallics, however, will eat rotors like there's no tomorrow. So, if rotors are
cheap for your set-up, no problem, just plan on changing them every time you
change the pads.  Also, metallics aren't the greatest when cold.  Once up to
temperature tho, they start doing their thing.

Semi-metallics are just an attempt compromise between metallics and organics.

Current hot ticket is Cool Carbons.  They're a kevlar/carbon combo that give
you the best of metallics and organics (from what I hear).  Lots of thick black
dust to!!  Buddy has them on his Z and wife's MR-2.  Loves them.  Paid $100
for the MR-2 set (Toyota wanted $80 for the stock pads!).  Bought his from
Grimm Performance in Santa Ana, CA 714-642-7839.  I hear they're available
all over.

>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) 

I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to their
cars they can write about!!??!!

Regards,  Clark

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 16:34:30 PST
From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

[re: Crown victorias]

I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias.  I 
mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??!  Unless they're 
specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner.  I had the 
unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap!  I
literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn*
soft.  I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either.

Koji and Clark sed:
}
}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) 
}
}I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
}their cars they can write about!!??!!

I'm awake!!  I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*!
How's that? ;-)  

aaron

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From: Gary H 
To: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 17:09:21 PST

From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
>[re: Crown victorias]
>
>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias.  I 
>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??!  Unless they're 
>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner.  I had the 
>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap!  I
>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn*
>soft.  I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either.

When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified.
American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy
from them the certain vehicles they fleet.

>Koji and Clark sed:
>}
>}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) 
>}
>}I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
>}their cars they can write about!!??!!
>
>I'm awake!!  I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*!
>How's that? ;-)  
>
>aaron

Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :)

Gary

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:37:17 -0800
From: Joe Woodsprite 
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

The Oregon State Police found their problems with ABS more driver related.  It
turns out that when the ABS is engaged there is a slight pulsing in the pedal.
Many officers were mistaking that for a loss of brake fluid pressure, and made
the mistake of trying to pump the brakes.  After several totaled cars nobody
is supposed to use these cars for persuit.  The loss of the 5.0L Mustangs had
something to do with their drivability compaired to the Camaro that replaced
them in these parts.

I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately.  Aside from a new
subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything.  But here's a
question.  I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to 
figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a 
hotter cam?  It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and
the wallet gains some weight. :)  Any comments are useful as I'm still not used
to working on engines with valves.

Woodsprite

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**                      *  1983 Celica ST  *        Joe Woodsprite          ***
**  Looking for Julie,  *                  *     Unsafe at any speed        ***
**    Whereever I go.   *  I don't drive   *                                ***
**        ---           *       fast.      *   lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu   ***
**   I'll do what it    *    I fly low.    *   lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu   ***
**  takes to find her.  *                  *                                ***
**                      *  72 Honda CB350  *                                ***
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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 02:35:53 -0800
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com
Subject: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...

> >Koji and Clark sed:
> >}
> >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;)
> >}
> >}I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
> >}their cars they can write about!!??!!
> >
> >I'm awake!!  I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*!
> >How's that? ;-)
> >
> >aaron
>
> Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :)

Okay folks,

	You ask for it, you got it... Toyota (Hmmmm... that sounds very
familiar).  You want bandwidth, you got it.

	I am looking at two possible power plants for an either Starlet or
85-87 Corolla.  Koji-san and Roger Smith has given quite a few pointers. Here
is a couple from Roger:

Little known facts:

(1) Starlet is probably one of the lightest production  RWD cars bar none.
My 4AGE Starlet with Driver, spare tire, etc... clocks in at 1900 lbs.

(2) Corolla GTS front struts/suspension/calipers/sway bar are easily
adapted to starlet.

(3) GTS rear axle on a starlet would stick out 3 ins on either side with
rims, so body work (Fender Flares from a Golf MK-1 should fit ) is
necessary.

(4) 78 celica rear end set up looks stock + comes with bigger Drums.

(5) Stock starlet Diff will disintegrate under torque from 4AGE

(6) The 3SGTE from a Turbo MR2/Celica GT-4 (All trac) is a possibility!

(7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet
from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique
in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a
couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there
for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet)

	And two lists of contacts.

             TRS USA
                7901 Ethel Ave.
                N. Hollywood, CA 91605
                Tel: (818)765-5542
                Fax: (818)764-1051

                Carrera Racing Shocks
                5412 New Peachtree Road
                Atlanta, GA 30341
                Orders: (800)RACE-4-IT
               Suppliers of:
                        Corolla & Starlet parts

	I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with
the following:

	1)  locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission,
		rear-end).

	2)  engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California
		preferably, but any info would be great).

	3)  companies who produce adapters to support these mod.

	4)  aftermarket recommendation:

		a)  cams

		b)  exhaust

		c)  suspension

		c)  carburetion/EFI mods

		d)  alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers,
			etc...)

		e)  any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics, wheels,
			seats, steering wheel, etc... not a priority but nice
			anemities to have)

	This little project of mine is to build a sleeper.  Quiet but
effective. More like in the lines of "silent but deadly"... hmmm, sounds like a
vicious fart *ha ha* (sorry guys, poor Hawaii humor).  It would be nice to
humble some Z28's and 5.0l Mustangs, as well as chasing Porsches through the
corners without spending the big bucks they do. *grin*

	Been brainstorming, cogs are in motion but definitely could use gray
matter from another source.

	I got the NEED, the need for SPEED.

Mahalo,
Allan Chen
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:02:43 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re Headers Wanted !
 
>From SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Wed Feb  9 14:13:47 1994
>Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS
 
>. . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice
>calls out . . .
 
Wow... sum bunny speaks !!!
 
> (here we go again)
 
Beers to ya ! =)
 
>Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting +
>erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back
>in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe.  Ten years ago, when I
>purchased the pipes, it was a very different world.  Bottom line, I picked them
>up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked.
 
Welps 10 years ago such matters were still "legal" I belive so there was no
big thing about it. Wow $35 !!! Wow....
 
>Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with
>injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low
>I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some
>out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these
>things.
 
You are right the Hooker headers for the car sit way too low without
any modifications to it. You could take it to a shop though and have them
rebend the sukkers so they don't hang that low.
 
TRD's "Headers" for the 20R are jus the Doug Thorley headers. Nothing special
and nothing grand. Ummm another company makes headers umm.. Pacesetter ? no..
Errrr.... Hedman, Hooker, Pacesetter (i belive), Doug Thorley, and someone
else... Remind me tommorow and i'll check with it more.
 
One way to get around it is to order it from another state and have it
or pick it up there at the manufacter or such. Have it sent to whereever.
Ha ha =)
 
>Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers.
>However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my
>search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their
>own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for.  I'm
>convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill.  I plan
>on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove
>so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during
>cusory inspections also).
 
The Chrome is Doug Thorleys Design.. check Toysport in Nevada or in Cali if
they are still there they carry a few...
 
>Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails.
 
Monthly listing ? =) You mean ya supposed to read that =)
 
>Thanks, Clark
 
Anytime Buddy =)
 
>ps: This is a repost of a note that "apparently" got lost in cyberspace, so
>mucho apologies if you've already received it.
 
Sounds like my mailer here in Hawaii...messages come in all delayed !!!
 
-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:16:51 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Serious Stopping Brake Query !
 
>>From SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Wed Feb  9 14:23:18 1994
>>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
 
>>Koji: Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ?
 
> (*Deleted stuff about Highway Safety Comission that was VERY Informative *)
 
>Second, I've got a friend on the LAPD.  The new Crown Victorias they use come
>with ABS and they all hate it.  He claims that in a pursuit situation the
>ABS is a hinderance since it interferes with the constructive use of the brakes
>in some of the radical maneuvers they pull.  You might conclude that if you
>know how to drive (which is subjective) and you've got correctly sized and
>balanced four-way disks, who needs ABS?  I've got it on my 944s2 (had it for 4
>years) and have never had it engage in a "panic-stop".  I do slam on it now and
>then just as a check tho.
 
I belive that is true about knowing how to drive i.e. knowing how to stop.
However most people do not and in "panic stops" even >I< have a "painic
reaction" to jus jam on the brakes hard cause there is no time.
 
However most of the cars (and toyotas) don't have disc brakes except for the
sports cars. This was one point. I agree drivers in the racing curcuits do not
like the idea of ABS brakes due to driver feel and control. They do however
help a lot in an Autocrossing type setup but they do even fade during then.
 
It was just a thought i was thinking about.
 
You are correct about ABS interfering with "radical" moves that the PD may
have to pull such as "bootleggers reverses" and "180 degree turns" etc etc.
However this is in "emergency situations" and well... most police pursuits
are not "looked highly upon" due to those crashes etc etc...
 
I know down here in Hawaii Police Officers do not pursue any speeds after
100mph for safety reasons (plus the roads are too damm short and the radios
dang faster)
 
>Funny side note:  The Victorias come with air bags, which they also hate. Seems
>the crooks in certain situations will cause the police car to ram their vehicle
>and set the bags off.  Pretty tricky stuff . .
 
Heh I saw that COPS Episode !!!!
 
>Maybe there's nothing really definitive to conclude from all this, just some
>stuff to think about.
 
Maybe not but it is wasting bandwidth ! =)
 
>>Koji: Brake pads. Metallic, semi metallic or Bronze metallic ?
 
> (*Infomation on brake pads plus/minus again VERY informative*)
 
>Current hot ticket is Cool Carbons.  They're a kevlar/carbon combo that give
>you the best of metallics and organics (from what I hear).  Lots of thick black
>dust to!!  Buddy has them on his Z and wife's MR-2.  Loves them.  Paid $100
>for the MR-2 set (Toyota wanted $80 for the stock pads!).  Bought his from
>Grimm Performance in Santa Ana, CA 714-642-7839.  I hear they're available
>all over.
 
I heard about them on the racing curcuit but had no feed back on them yet.
Oh welps... Guess I'll have to buy some !
 
>>>P.S. This place is too quiet ;)
 
>I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
>their cars they can write about!!??!!
 
Heh... maybe its too cold to do any work !
 
>Regards,  Clark
 
-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:25:46 EST
From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: A question of stopping

Koji writes:

>Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ?

Koji,
I had abs on my '91 turbo and was nervous about using the car on the track.
I called toyota up about this and they told me that they don't use abs on 
their race cars! For me, on the track it got in the way - things I have read
indicate that on the road under advers conditions abs will help the average
 driver, on the track it will get in the way. Braking is most efficient when
the tire is sliding a little bit. I ten to agree with this. I had hoped that
toyota would follow Audi's lead and make the ABS system switchable.

As far as brake shoes - I have used Repco metal Masters for > 10 years, on lots
of different cars, and have really liked them. They do not destroy rotors
as quickly as full metalic pads, they don't need to get to hot to work
properly, they stop well, and they last. These coupled with bleeding the
brakes frequently - before and after every track event seem to work well
BTW I use Castrol LMA brake fluid ( Dot 4)

Ray B.

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:31:08 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Brakes and the HPD =)
 
>>From garyh@sco.COM Wed Feb  9 15:02:55 1994
>>From: Gary H >
>>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
 
>>From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
 
>>[re: Crown victorias]
 
>>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias.  I
>>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??!  Unless they're
>>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner.  I had the
>>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap!  I
>>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn*
>>soft.  I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either.
 
Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ?
 
I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police
Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their
"work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers.
 
The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a
1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another
master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro.
The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National.
 
Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the
camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore.
The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and
then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared
and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =)
 
Since then the local cop cars down here are allowed to make modifications
to their engine and even change rim size and allow rims. There is a Buick
Grand National running around with a T-06 Turbo and several cops use NOS
in their Camaros etc (big story another time)
 
Common cop cars down here were the Monte Carlos of the SS variety but scrapped
or those with them modified their engines and changed rims etc etc. Buicks
of all types and Supercharged Cougars  are popular. Mustangs and Camros and
even Ford Explorers. Funny story about my friend being pulled over in his
RX-7 Turbo II by a ford explorer on H-3 (Allan's rolling on the ground now)
 
Just be glad ya don't live in Hawaii cause speeding is serious work down
here espically when they dispatced some 40 extra cops to the Windward
side of the island where Allanc used to live and I still do =) to curb
"speeding abuses by drivers on the windward side" heh.. =)
 
I.E. My next door neighbors one of their friends is a cop and i raced his
Supercharged cougar when he first got it, I won non to say the least...
the other day he pulled up in a Buick T Type and asked me for a rematch. Ha ha
I don't think so... ha ha ha ...
 
>When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified.
>American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy
>from them the certain vehicles they fleet.
 
Yep yep.. the victoria's come with the heavy duty suspension set up and
higher output motor and beefier transmission.
 
>>Koji and Clark sed:
>>}P.S. This place is too quiet ;)
>>}I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to their
>>}cars they can write about!!??!!
 
>>I'm awake!!  I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*!
>>How's that? ;-)
 
Wow... Wax or polish ? =) I smell another debate comming on =)
 
>>aaron
 
>Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :)
 
>Gary
 
-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:37:15 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Braking and Cop Cars / Julie !
 
>From lantera@CSOS.ORST.EDU Wed Feb  9 22:38:11 1994
>From: Joe Woodsprite 
 
>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
 
>The Oregon State Police found their problems with ABS more driver related.  It
>turns out that when the ABS is engaged there is a slight pulsing in the pedal.
>Many officers were mistaking that for a loss of brake fluid pressure, and made
>the mistake of trying to pump the brakes.  After several totaled cars nobody
>is supposed to use these cars for persuit.  The loss of the 5.0L Mustangs had
>something to do with their drivability compaired to the Camaro that replaced
>them in these parts.
 
BTW so what do they use for pursuit ????!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ?
 
>I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately.  Aside from a new
>subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything.  But here's a
>question.  I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to
>figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a
>hotter cam?  It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and
>the wallet gains some weight. :)  Any comments are useful as I'm still not used
>to working on engines with valves.
 
OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =)
 
Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest.
Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it.
(Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it
 up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-)
 
>Woodsprite
 
Aloha...
 
>******************************************************************************
>**                      *  1983 Celica ST  *       Joe Woodsprite          ***
>**  Looking for Julie,  *                  *    Unsafe at any speed        ***
>**    Whereever I go.   *  I don't drive   *                               ***
>**        ---           *       fast.      *  lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu   ***
>**   I'll do what it    *    I fly low.    *  lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu   ***
>**  takes to find her.  *                  *                               ***
>**                      *  72 Honda CB350  *                               ***
>******************************************************************************
 
So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car
so you can check her out ? =)
 
-Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 05:01:50 -0800
To: Allen T "Koji" Kam  ,
Subject: Re: Brakes and the HPD =)

On Feb 10,  2:31am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote:
> Subject: Brakes and the HPD =)
>
> >>From garyh@sco.COM Wed Feb  9 15:02:55 1994
> >>From: Gary H >
> >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
>
> >>From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
>
> >>[re: Crown victorias]
>
> >>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias.  I
> >>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??!  Unless they're
> >>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner.  I had the
> >>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap!  I
> >>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn*
> >>soft.  I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either.
>
> Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ?

	I know Vegas has Camaro Z28.

> I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police
> Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their
> "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers.

	It sure will save taxpayer money... Have you seen those new recruits,
they were derelicts from my high school past.  You know what they say... it
takes one to catch one.

> The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a
> 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another
> master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro.
> The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National.

	Hey, I remember that I got pulled over by a Grand National... when I
once owned an IROC-Z (My Yellow Banana).

> Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the
> camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore.
> The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and
> then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared
> and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =)

	So the lasers are in effect... Shoots, I guess that Solo I purchased
ain't worth shit when I go back home (Hawaii).  Yup, I still remember the
announcement when Police Chief Nakamura announced the Camaro they were using.
 What pisses me off was his emphasis on busting speeders... I think this police
chief got his priorities wrong.  Collecting revenue for the State of Hawaii is
important but we as taxpayers have more important things to worry about... like
protection from crime.

> Since then the local cop cars down here are allowed to make modifications
> to their engine and even change rim size and allow rims. There is a Buick
> Grand National running around with a T-06 Turbo and several cops use NOS
> in their Camaros etc (big story another time)

	Allen, remember that story when the gas stipend for these guys were so
big that they were able to have literally race cars on the street.  Do you
recall that big motor black Nova that would race people.  Story has it that if
you won, you do not receive a ticket... but, if you are caught you were fined
through your ass.  (This was during my hotrod days... kinda early 80ish)

> Common cop cars down here were the Monte Carlos of the SS variety but scrapped
> or those with them modified their engines and changed rims etc etc. Buicks
> of all types and Supercharged Cougars  are popular. Mustangs and Camros and
> even Ford Explorers. Funny story about my friend being pulled over in his
> RX-7 Turbo II by a ford explorer on H-3 (Allan's rolling on the ground now)

	I am, I am... stop, spare me, please stop *ha ha*

> Just be glad ya don't live in Hawaii cause speeding is serious work down
> here espically when they dispatced some 40 extra cops to the Windward
> side of the island where Allanc used to live and I still do =) to curb
> "speeding abuses by drivers on the windward side" heh.. =)

	Hey Allen, please ensure my baby brother is taking really good care of
my GT-S... and not to bring up noterity with it please!!!

> I.E. My next door neighbors one of their friends is a cop and i raced his
> Supercharged cougar when he first got it, I won non to say the least...
> the other day he pulled up in a Buick T Type and asked me for a rematch. Ha ha
> I don't think so... ha ha ha ...

	Oh great, my friend Greg just graduated from the Police Academy and is
working in the Kaneohe side.  Wait, wait... Hmmmmm... he could fix my speeding
tickets *ha ha*  As for your friend with the T-Type, ask him to race you
through the corners... let's say 13 turns or Tantalus and see who comes out
swinging.

> >When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified.
> >American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy
> >from them the certain vehicles they fleet.
>
> Yep yep.. the victoria's come with the heavy duty suspension set up and
> higher output motor and beefier transmission.

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:14:42 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

> >P.S. This place is too quiet ;)
>
> I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
> their cars they can write about!!??!!
>
> Regards,  Clark
>

Not really.  I'm painting the garage floor over at my sister's old
place, where I'm going to move the race car to.  (Ugh, what a sentence!)

I am working on rejetting the carb though.  I have the Synchronous
Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs.  Looks
like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air,
because I'm running way rich.  I think that was why the car started
failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago.

Any ideas on jetting?

Chris

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:26:21 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

> I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately.  Aside from a new
> subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything.  But here's a
> question.  I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to
> figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a
> hotter cam?  It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and
> the wallet gains some weight. :)  Any comments are useful as I'm still not
> used to working on engines with valves.
>
> Woodsprite

Adding a better carb (I recommend the Weber 32/36) is definetly the
better way to go.  However, you really won't see any big improvement
without doing carb/cam/header together.  Also, if you get the new cam,
be sure to get the head work done (_mild_ surfacing and valve job) and
install the double spring set.  Now you're talking more power!  (Now
you're talking big bucks!).

Koji:  Recommend a good cam!  Also, what size header?  (I'd say 1 5/8",
sound about right?)

Anyone:  Got ideas on prices for this stuff?

Head work:  $65 (Depending on where you are.  Shop around and get
recommendations.)

Carb:  My dual 38 with all the stock-conversion adapters was $400.
32/36 should be quite a bit cheaper.

Headers:???

Cam:???

Chris

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:43:28 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Hawaii names

I know two peeples from Hawaii and both are Allan/Allen.

They run out of names down there?  Somebody should tell them they can go
on to "b" names if they get tired of "a" names!  (Mayber there's no "b"
in the Hawaiian alphabet, so they're not sure which letter to use next!)

Chris

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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 06:33:01 -0800
To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer),
Subject: Re: Hawaii names

On Feb 10,  8:43am, Chris Myer wrote:
> Subject: Hawaii names

> I know two peeples from Hawaii and both are Allan/Allen.

	But Allan Chen has been transplanted in Norther Cal (Bay Area).  Allen
Kam is on the island of Oahu in Hawaii.

> They run out of names down there?

	Yup, both our parents lost creativity, those names on the Soap Operas
just did not appeal to them *ha ha*.  They seem to have brought us up alike,
Toyota fanatics with backgrounds in Chevys.  Hmmm... hey Allen, we could be
long lost brothers or something *ha ha*.

> Somebody should tell them they can go on to "b" names if they get tired of "a"
> names!

	"b" names, Hmmm... like "b" movies, buffy, biff, bubba, bozo, bullshit,
bagong (Filipino fermented fish paste, smells bad but taste great), bruddah
(Hawaiian pidgin slang for brother)...

> (Mayber there's no "b" in the Hawaiian alphabet, so they're not sure which
> letter to use next!)

	Duuuuhhhh, "z"????  :^) * heh heh... how about if we refer to Allen Kam
as Koji or Koji-san, and myself ummm, hmmmm... Hey, Koji can you think of a
slang?

Latas,
Allan Chen
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST
From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

}
> }I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
> }their cars they can write about!!??!!
> 
> I'm awake!!  I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*!
> How's that? ;-)  
> 
> aaron

I'm awake and shivering too!!!   My car has so much winter crud
on it I can hardly see what color it is!!

Does anyone make  an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch?  I see
them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the
fuse.  There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't
want ABS, so a switch might be nice.  By the way, ABS and traction
control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would
have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable.  Of course, such
techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season.

Jon   

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:11:37 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: AllenC Query for A Starlet 
 
>From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Thu Feb 10 00:36:44 1994
>From: "Allan Chen" 
 
>Subject: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
 
> >Koji and Clark sed:
> >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;)
> >}I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
> >}thier cars they can write about!!??!!
 
>Okay folks,
 
>        You ask for it, you got it... Toyota (Hmmmm... that sounds very
>familiar).  You want bandwidth, you got it.
 
Techonology on a Fast Track ! Go Toyota !
 
>        I am looking at two possible power plants for an either Starlet or
>85-87 Corolla.  Koji-san and Roger Smith has given quite a few pointers. Here
>is a couple from Roger:
 
OooOOoooOOOooOoo
 
>Little known facts:
 
>(1) Starlet is probably one of the lightest production  RWD cars bar none.
>My 4AGE Starlet with Driver, spare tire, etc... clocks in at 1900 lbs.
 
The starlet is a well balanced and designed car. A Perfect sleeper car stock.
It has all the good suspension and enigne basics to be deceptively fast.
 
The K-series motor is an impressive motor as its self. They properly built
can rev up to 11k rpm and turn a 14 second quater mile.
 
A 2.0 T series motor a direct drop in can rocket this car into the 10 second
brackets like shown in NYC where they do their street racing.
 
>(2) Corolla GTS front struts/suspension/calipers/sway bar are easily
>adapted to starlet.
 
Of course..it is a "Corolla" just in another shape and model =)
 
>(3) GTS rear axle on a starlet would stick out 3 ins on either side with
>rims, so body work (Fender Flares from a Golf MK-1 should fit ) is
>necessary.
 
Yes they do as the fender flairs from the M3 also fit. There are several body
kits for the car in Japan. The GTS rear "end" would also fit but its a mounting
type thing. Depening on your offset of your rims and all. It might not be that
bad.
 
>(4) 78 celica rear end set up looks stock + comes with bigger Drums.
 
Yes it does, a 1969 Carina has the biggest drums however they are alumunium
and may warp. But why do you want drums when ya can have disc ? See Brake
Query =)
 
The 1978 rear end is still a 8 bolt i belive maybe ya should go up a 10
or such since rear end gears get cheaper the newer you go =) maybe a
Cressida one or a Supra one ? =)
 
>(5) Stock starlet Diff will disintegrate under torque from 4AGE
 
Well...What do ya expect ? Actually with "normal" driving its a direct bolt
in motor and it shouldn't be THAT bad if you drive "normally" =) You Babooze !
 
>(6) The 3SGTE from a Turbo MR2/Celica GT-4 (All trac) is a possibility!
 
The GT-4 motor is a good motor because its a "squared motor" however
that is not a direct drop in and might require thought and extra
trans work as due to it being a "midengine" type motor or a "front wheel" drive
with the GT-4 (I still say a GT-4 is a front wheel drive due to the way
the car feels and handles due to the vicious coupling no matter what any
bunny says)
 
>(7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet
>from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique
>in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a
>couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there
>for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet)
 
Thats proably the best else not there are several places in CA that
offer fiberglass parts for cars. Not sure if they have Starlets in mind
but they make parts or full bodies.
 
A&A Specialties - Placenta CA, Advanced Composite products and techonoloy -
Hunting Beach CA, Aerocraft MFG - Salinas CA, Aircraft Spruce & Speciality
co. - Fullerton CA, California Rods 'N Racers - Templeton CA, JAZ Products
- Santa Paula, CA, Matt & Glass Race car bodies - Merced CA, The Drop Shop -
Chino CA, Baker Precision Berings - Long Beach CA, Davis Motorsports -
San Jose CA - De Nunzio Racing Products - Goleta CA, Dick Cepek INC - Carson
CA, Ebling Engineering - S El Monte CA, K&P Manufacturing - Azusa CA,
Kaeding Performance inc Campbell CA, Race Ready Products - Chula Vista CA,
and Tognotti's Auto World in Sacramento CA.
 
(like you really wanted to know that !)
 
>        And two lists of contacts.
>             TRS USA
>             Carrera Racing Shocks
 
Wow Carrera is still making parts for the Starlet ? Thats mind boggling,
I had a sales rep tell me they were discontinuing their Toyota line...oh welps
I guess not !
 
>        I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with
>the following:
 
>        1)  locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission,
>                rear-end).
 
I can give you another big list but its proably easier to look in the yellow
pages or call RJ at TRD or some local shop and ask them who brings in imported
motors from japan. I remeber a big add in a cali sunday paper before.
 
>        2)  engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California
>                preferably, but any info would be great).
 
Again call RJ and ask for references..or even jump on the rec.autos list or
rec.auto.carstereo or what ever and look for Harry Kimura and ask him for a
list of people.
 
>        3)  companies who produce adapters to support these mod.
 
Adapters =) I got another big list but best refer to someone in Cali...
 
>        4)  aftermarket recommendation:
 
For which motor ? =)
 
>                c)  suspension
 
For what purpose ? Spirited Street Driving ? Drag ?
 
>                c)  carburetion/EFI mods
 
EFI if you can keep it. If not a Carb set up or a Haltech system The Haltech
is quite cheap now. =) If not just put in Supra Injectors or celica injectors
into the GTS EFI
 
>                d)  alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers,
>                        etc...)
 
Trust makes a turbo Kit for the 4AGE and there is a stroker kit.
Which motor ? =)
 
>                e)  any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics,wheels,
>                        seats, steering wheel, etc... not a priority but nice
>                        anemities to have)
 
No Comment ;)
 
>        This little project of mine is to build a sleeper.  Quiet but
>effective. More like in the lines of "silent but deadly"... hmmm, sounds like a
>vicious fart *ha ha* (sorry guys, poor Hawaii humor).  It would be nice to
>humble some Z28's and 5.0l Mustangs, as well as chasing Porsches through the
>corners without spending the big bucks they do. *grin*
 
Easy to do... Just shove a 2.0 3TC motor in and you will be untouchable
now. run a EFI if ya gonna go street racing there. More Stealth.
 
>        Been brainstorming, cogs are in motion but definitely could use gray
>matter from another source.
 
Pick a body and decide if you want bottom end or top or for what purpose ?
 
>        I got the NEED, the need for SPEED.
 
How serious ya wanna get =)
 
>Mahalo,
>Allan Chen
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:32:59 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Braking 
 
>From bahrr@pictel.com Thu Feb 10 02:27:15 1994
>From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr)
>Subject: A question of stopping
 
>>Koji writes:
>>Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ?
 
>Koji,
>I had abs on my '91 turbo and was nervous about using the car on the track.
 
Phobia ??!!?!
 
>I called toyota up about this and they told me that they don't use abs on
>their race cars!
 
Of course not..they have such wonderous things as dual pistion calipers and
such... they don't need ABS !!! =)
 
>For me, on the track it got in the way - things I have read indicate that
>on the road under advers conditions abs will help the average
> driver, on the track it will get in the way. Braking is most efficient when
>the tire is sliding a little bit. I ten to agree with this.
 
The Driver has a lot to do with it..but a decent driver in a good car will
beat a excellent driver with a decent car.
 
>I had hoped that toyota would follow Audi's lead and make the ABS
>system switchable.
 
Well they do have the traction control toggled on the Newer Supra's. It
works better with it off cause it shuts down power so if you are used to
powering out of things don't try it. It shuts down the computer and such
so you become a brick and don't panic into a spin or worse for the adverage
driver.
 
>As far as brake shoes - I have used Repco metal Masters for
> 10 years, on lots of different cars, and have really liked them.
 
Ahhh Full Metal Brakes... I used them for a while...can't rember why
I switched though.
 
>They do not destroy rotors as quickly as full metalic pads, they don't
>need to get to hot to work properly, they stop well, and they last.
 
I think mines warped come o think of it... or i had to my rotors often.
 
>These coupled with bleeding the brakes frequently - before and after
>every track event seem to work well.
 
Thats simple stuff recommended before ANY MEET. I try and bleed my brakes
at least once a month or when it looks dark. Pain in the butt but worth it
not fading !
 
>BTW I use Castrol LMA brake fluid ( Dot 4)
 
Me too ! I like the Dot 4 ! =)
 
>Ray B.
 
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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From: Brian Goble 
Subject: Plans for my '88 Supra Turbo
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, supras@vicor.com
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 9:36:44 PST

As many of you may recall, I added an HKS Turbo Exhaust and K&N FilterCharger
to my '88 Supra Turbo.  In addition, I got hooked an autoxing after doing
two events at the end of last summer.

Now I'm going to make a few handling improvements (I hope they're
improvements!) as I plan to do more autx (Solo II) events when
they start up again this Spring.

On another note, I recently changed jobs so now my Supra is my
daily driver (I use to drive it only 2-3 times per week).

Here's my plan:  (note, I also want to stay in the stock class)

New Tires!  The current tires came new with the car when I bought it.
They are some HR no-name brand and I don't like them very much.  I
also want to go with a slightly lower profile tire to lower the car
1/4" or so (stock rules don't allow other types of lowering).  I realize
this would decrease top speed but increase acceleration slightly (anything
else?).  I also want to go with a slightly wider tire in the rear.  So,
I'll want something nice and sticky for autox but still usable as a daily
driver (I'm not gonna buy seperate wheels/tires yet :)

New shocks!  I think the shocks on there now are original.  The problem
is that if I want to keep TEMS hooked-up, I have to go with original
toyota stock shocks to stay in the stock autox class. (and I do want to
keep TEMS hooked-up--even though I could go with manually adjustable
shocks).  Anybody know if there were stiffer shocks available as an
option on the type III Supra from Toyota?

Stiffer Front Sway-Bar Bushings!  From some pictures we took it seemed
I was getting excessive body roll so I figured stiffer bushings would
be a quick and easy way to reduce it at least a little bit.  Rules don't
allow me to touch the rear.

Alignment!  The car probably needs the front end adjusted slightly and
I might even go for more autox-style camber (or is it caster? or toe-in?)
settings.

Well, that's what I'm thinking of doing...I would love to get some
feedback from people.  What's everybody else doing?

Thanx...
-Brian ('88 Supra Turbo)

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:54:10 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Hawaii Stuff (disreguard sorta)
 
>From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Thu Feb 10 03:02:38 1994
>From: "Allan Chen" >
>>In-Reply-To: Allen T "Koji" Kam  >
>>        "Brakes and the HPD =)" (Feb 10,  2:31am)
 
>>On Feb 10,  2:31am, Allen T Koji Kam wrote:
>> Subject: Brakes and the HPD =)
 
>> >> (*Crown Victorias and Mustangs and Camaro stuff deleted *)
 
>> Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ?
 
>        I know Vegas has Camaro Z28.
 
The New Camaros seem to be the "in car" again for the Cops. I guess Ford
has to come out and revamp their Mustangs ? =)
 
Sorry i meant previous the 94 v-6 version... however i did see 2 cops driving
around them down here =)
 
>> I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police
>> Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their
>> "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers.
 
>It sure will save taxpayer money... Have you seen those new recruits,
>they were derelicts from my high school past.  You know what they say... it
>takes one to catch one.
 
Yep I guess so. Even former Toyboy "Mike Mahi" is now a HPD officer. He had a
1986 GTS with Sprinter Taillights and full suspension and minor intake mods.
(David Chang too)
 
>> The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a
>> 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another
>> master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro.
>> The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National.
 
>        Hey, I remember that I got pulled over by a Grand National... when I
>once owned an IROC-Z (My Yellow Banana).
 
Wow.. I remeber crusing along at about 120 or so in my friends Corolla and
out of the blue these two headlights appered out of no where and blue lights
started a flashing. A Grand National had caught us. We didnt get a ticket
though =) thank god for friends on the force =)
 
Hmmm I also remeber out running a Monte Carlo and a Camaro with my Corolla
about 2 years ago when they didnt "allow" any mods.. =)
 
>> Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the
>> camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore.
>> The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and
>> then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared
>> and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =)
 
>        So the lasers are in effect... Shoots, I guess that Solo I purchased
>ain't worth shit when I go back home (Hawaii).  Yup, I still remember the
>announcement when Police Chief Nakamura announced the Camaro they were using.
> What pisses me off was his emphasis on busting speeders... I think this police
>chief got his priorities wrong.  Collecting revenue for the State of Hawaii is
>important but we as taxpayers have more important things to worry about... like
>protection from crime.
 
Yep.. buy a Bell Laser... it don't help much. The only thing that sorta saves
you from the Solo bikers is that they put up a "flare" on the side of the road
and tag you as you go past. This is at night =) Day time comming back
from a track right by my house my laser detector went off like crazy comming
down the big Hill By Kalaheo (sorry folks i know this is 'wierd') and
it went off like crazy 5 times.... Appearently had a cop down there
shooting his laser gun. One good thing about the detectors. When they go off
it means someones shooting a laser gun and the sigal is boucning all over the
place =) Invest in A Detector...it helps when you get into that "road happy"
mode of driving =)
 
>> (*stuffs deleted*)
 
>    Allen, remember that story when the gas stipend for these guys were so
>big that they were able to have literally race cars on the street.  Do you
>recall that big motor black Nova that would race people.  Story has it that if
>you won, you do not receive a ticket... but, if you are caught you were fined
>through your ass.  (This was during my hotrod days... kinda early 80ish)
 
Heh i remeber that car well. Lucky i wasn't driving much then cause it
pulled over like my older brother and such. Back when I was in high school
in 1986-88 Sandy Beach was still a hot spot and Diamond head and the only
thing you had to watch out for was the corolla white coupe that if you
raced him and won he would shoot at you ! Lucky you don't live in Hawaii !
(However i don't wanna chance a mainland thing now either ! dangerous !)
 
BTW Do the color of your car in the Mainland US make a difference ? Do they
really shoot at you if you have a "blue" or "red" car ? If so i'm messed.
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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From: Gary H 
To: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 10:28:28 PST

From: "Allan Chen" 
>
>(7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet
>from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique
>in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a
>couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there
>for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet)

What's the IP address for Chris' mosaic server? I will submit a picture 
of my 82 Celica with the body kit in the future.

My M3 (lowered with the Enduro 3/S rims) are on the BMW mosaic server (yup,
that would be me behind the wheel).  If anyone wants to see it, contact me
and I'll dig up the address.

Gary

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To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: tomj@orl.mmc.com
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:30:08 -0500
From: Tom Julien 

>What's the IP address for Chris' mosaic server? I will submit a picture 
>of my 82 Celica with the body kit in the future.

Chris's IP address is su102a.ess.harris.com (192.107.163.6), but
what I think you want to know is the URL for the mosaic server:

	http://su102.ess.harris.com

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To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: tomj@orl.mmc.com
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:33:57 -0500
From: Tom Julien 

>	http://su102.ess.harris.com

Sorry, there's suppose to be an 'a' after 'su102' :

	http://su102a.ess.harris.com

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From: Ehab Aljandali 
Subject: Re: Plans for my '88 Supra Turbo
To: goble@maxwell.ee.washington.edu (Brian Goble)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:20:37 PST
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, supras@vicor.com

>
> As many of you may recall, I added an HKS Turbo Exhaust and K&N FilterCharger
> to my '88 Supra Turbo.  In addition, I got hooked an autoxing after doing
> two events at the end of last summer.
>
> Now I'm going to make a few handling improvements (I hope they're
> improvements!) as I plan to do more autx (Solo II) events when
> they start up again this Spring.
>
> On another note, I recently changed jobs so now my Supra is my
> daily driver (I use to drive it only 2-3 times per week).
>
> Here's my plan:  (note, I also want to stay in the stock class)
>
> New Tires!  The current tires came new with the car when I bought it.
> They are some HR no-name brand and I don't like them very much.  I
> also want to go with a slightly lower profile tire to lower the car
> 1/4" or so (stock rules don't allow other types of lowering).  I realize
> this would decrease top speed but increase acceleration slightly (anything
> else?).  I also want to go with a slightly wider tire in the rear.  So,
> I'll want something nice and sticky for autox but still usable as a daily
> driver (I'm not gonna buy seperate wheels/tires yet :)
>
> New shocks!  I think the shocks on there now are original.  The problem
> is that if I want to keep TEMS hooked-up, I have to go with original
> toyota stock shocks to stay in the stock autox class. (and I do want to
> keep TEMS hooked-up--even though I could go with manually adjustable
> shocks).  Anybody know if there were stiffer shocks available as an
> option on the type III Supra from Toyota?
>
> Stiffer Front Sway-Bar Bushings!  From some pictures we took it seemed
> I was getting excessive body roll so I figured stiffer bushings would
> be a quick and easy way to reduce it at least a little bit.  Rules don't
> allow me to touch the rear.
>
> Alignment!  The car probably needs the front end adjusted slightly and
> I might even go for more autox-style camber (or is it caster? or toe-in?)
> settings.
>
> Well, that's what I'm thinking of doing...I would love to get some
> feedback from people.  What's everybody else doing?
>
> Thanx...
> -Brian ('88 Supra Turbo)
>

	Hi Brian, How are you? I may help you here. 
I recommend Yok tires, I think they have special Autox tires. They are very
cheap, but may wear real fast. Try getting Dunlop D40M2, they are on sale at
many mail orders. Try 225/50/16 f, 245/45/16. Get VR rated to save money,
Although I recommend ZR for their stiffer side walls.

Set your camber to -1.00 degrees front and -0.6 rear. Toe in at 0 allway around.

As you know, I had lots of problems with my TEMS Tockico shocks. They were way
too stiff(I am getting my money back, they are a great company). Get Toyota
stock shocks, You can then remove the TEMS servos(two screws at each corner)
and manually set the shock to stiff and keep the servos disconnected for the
event.

HKS and Trust make super nice manual adjus shocks, but they cost about $800.

You can get Teflon bushings for the front and rear. I thought you can put
a new sawybar in the rear?

As you know, raise the tire pressure to 42-46 PSI and make sure the front is
at least 2 psi higher.

I am about to install my HKS PFC-FCON and hopefully get 15 safe psi and 350 HP!

Call me if you want!

	Good luck, Ehab.

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 15:21:34 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Hawaii Stuff (disreguard sorta)

> thing you had to watch out for was the corolla white coupe that if you
> raced him and won he would shoot at you ! Lucky you don't live in Hawaii !
> (However i don't wanna chance a mainland thing now either ! dangerous !)
>
> BTW Do the color of your car in the Mainland US make a difference ? Do they
> really shoot at you if you have a "blue" or "red" car ? If so i'm messed.
>
> - Allen T "Koji" Kam

Welcome to Florida, where they shoot the Tourists regardless of the
car!

Chris

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:19:03 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Chris's Richness !
 
>From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Thu Feb 10 03:15:05 1994
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
 
>> I agree.  HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!!  Somebody must be doing something to
>> their cars they can write about!!??!!
 
>Not really.  I'm painting the garage floor over at my sister's old
>place, where I'm going to move the race car to.  (Ugh, what a sentence!)
 
Wow at least ya have some place to store it ! I got an open air parking
space and i live 4 blocks from the ocean fun fun fun !
 
>I am working on rejetting the carb though.  I have the Synchronous
>Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs.  Looks
>like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air,
>because I'm running way rich.  I think that was why the car started
>failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago.
 
My next jet size up is a drill bit =) To down jet ya could proably
do an old racers trick and run the smallest jets and chokes so
you have great bottom end thats about it...
 
>Any ideas on jetting?
 
Its not a timing thing ? Open up the gap on ya spark plugs and fuss with
timing ?? =)
 
>Chris
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:30:22 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Woodsprites Quest for Power

>From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Thu Feb 10 03:27:04 1994
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:26:21 EST
>From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
 
>Woodsprite asks for more bang from his 22R
 
>Adding a better carb (I recommend the Weber 32/36) is definetly the
>better way to go.  However, you really won't see any big improvement
>without doing carb/cam/header together.  Also, if you get the new cam,
>be sure to get the head work done (_mild_ surfacing and valve job) and
>install the double spring set.  Now you're talking more power!  (Now
>you're talking big bucks!).
 
>Koji:  Recommend a good cam!  Also, what size header?  (I'd say 1 5/8",
>sound about right?)
 
For the 22R motors the headers can be a good 1 5/8 or so and just
Scavvange it up to 2" muffler or so. I can't recommend a good size header
or exhaust because of those Emission things.
 
I do know that if >I< were to do it >I< would take a good header that don't
hang that low (don't leave a lot) and just use a "scavvenging" effect on
your exhaust to a bigger pipe. You get increased horsepower with the max
flow possible.
 
An example of this is like a 1 5/8 inch header into a 1 5/8 pipe and going
into a maybe 2 inch glass pack muffler with a 2 1/2 outlet or so. Or just
some effect like that. Any DECENT exhaust shop should or can do this.
Just take it to some racer place and have them do it. They SHOULD know
whats best for your car. If you have to errrr "lie" (lack of the proper
vocabulary word) then do so and say its for offroad use only or autocross
or something =)
 
>Anyone:  Got ideas on prices for this stuff?
 
>Carb:  My dual 38 with all the stock-conversion adapters was $400.
>32/36 should be quite a bit cheaper.
 
Consult Redline / Weber if you have to. They are based in Compton CA.
 
>Headers:???
 
Pacesetter, Hooker, Headman, Doug Thorley and two others i can't remeber
their names.
 
>Cam:???
 
Gears would be a cheaper way to go keeping your car emission safe and proably
the best bang for the buck =)
 
>Chris
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:42:36 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: ABS Switch and Winter Rubber
 
>From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420)
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST
>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
 
>I'm awake and shivering too!!!   My car has so much winter crud
>on it I can hardly see what color it is!!
 
I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all
dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ?
 
>Does anyone make  an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch?  I see
>them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the
>fuse.  There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't
>want ABS, so a switch might be nice.  By the way, ABS and traction
>control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would
>have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable.  Of course, such
>techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season.
 
Hmmmm I do know people who "by pass" or even remove the ABS systems...
not sure if they make a by pass....
 
Ya but F1 racing don't compare to GTP Racing !
Whoops... what GTP racing ;)
 
>Jon
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
 
>From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420)
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST
>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping
 
>I'm awake and shivering too!!!   My car has so much winter crud
>on it I can hardly see what color it is!!
 
I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all
dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ?
 
>Does anyone make  an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch?  I see
>them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the
>fuse.  There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't
>want ABS, so a switch might be nice.  By the way, ABS and traction
>control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would
>have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable.  Of course, such
>techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season.
 
Hmmmm I do know people who "by pass" or even remove the ABS systems...
not sure if they make a by pass....
 
Ya but F1 racing don't compare to GTP Racing !
Whoops... what GTP racing ;)
 
>Jon
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:09:43 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: ABS

>Does anyone make  an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch?  I see
>them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the
>fuse.  There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't
>want ABS, so a switch might be nice.  By the way, ABS and traction
>control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would
>have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable.  Of course, such
>techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season.
>

And now my .02. Despite what people might suggest, ABS is a deffinite plus
in motor racing, especially in situations where you are trying to outbrake
a competitor. Note however that ABS is implemented differently on different
cars. For example, many cars only have 2 wheel ABS, (in which the Front
wheels are controlled). Some have 4 wheel ABS with DRUM/DISC Arangements,
on a F1/BTCC race car with a locked/high performance limited slip
differential,the ABS system might be hooked into the engine ecu. (Go read
the article in the Byte magazine that featured the TAG (Mclaren) engine
management system). The chevy corvet has an mechanical ABS system much like
cruise control that moves the accelerator pedal, and some cars will give
different levels of brake pedal feedback to let you know that the ABS is in
fact working. All have their advantages/disadvantages.

I have personally seen the benefits of ABS when a friend with a Mazda 626
in icy conditions braked heavily mid corner coming off a highway ramp, and
the car didn't lock up and slide. (I was doing that imaginary driver thing
!) He was  able to steer the car where he wanted to go. (He was also just
showing me how great his ABS was)

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 18:03:00 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...

>        I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with
>the following:
>
>        1)  locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission,
>                rear-end).

The 3T-GTE I saw was imported from K-Wantanabe (SP?)in california ( call
800 information) They also have the 4AGZE for (summer 93 prices) US
$850.00, however, I understand that you have to give them time (8 Weeks) to
locate one for you.

>
>        2)  engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California
>                preferably, but any info would be great).

sorry here ...

>        3)  companies who produce adapters to support these mod.

I have found that If you go to a "Company" that advertises in Autoweek and
Car and Driver etc.. for stuff like this they will quote you "customized
prices". RJ suggested Kennedy Adapters to me because he knew they had done
a plate for the 3S-GTE. Note that the 3T-GTE came in RWD Toyota Carinas, so
there is a Gear box that bolts neatly to it, and this is what the guy with
the corolla GTS conversion is using. The 3T-GTE was fitted into the corolla
GTS, in all of 1 weekend! (They had taken out the other engine the week
before)

>        4)  aftermarket recommendation:
>
>                a)  cams
Depends on what you want to do, for 3T-GTE, you may have to get your own
cams/profiles ground. I figure at least 200 BHP is possible with stock cam.
(Select Sales in Miami can help with custom cam profiles)
>                b)  exhaust
Cheaper route, is to get a good muffler shop, come up with something, or
better yet, get a spec for an HKS/TRD one, and have a shop make you one
that's close ;-)

>                c)  suspension
The 3T-GTE is probably twice as heavy as a 4AGE, so plan accordingly. Stock
Tokico GTS suspension, can't handle the job. As the GTS/3TGT-E owner
explained to me, under heavy braking, you can feel the weight Transfer. A
Performance 2.5" spring coil over system was planned.
>                c)  carburetion/EFI mods
The corolla GTS I saw is fueled by Haltech, while the ignition uses 2
electromotive HP-V1 units (3T-GTE is a 2 spark plug per cyclinder engine).
For what its worth, I would go with an Electromotive TECII, as they offer
fuel/ignition control in one package, and their systems are certified for
use in California!! No point having a car in Cali, if they won't certify
it?

>                d)  alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers,
>                        etc...)
Intercoolers are nice, Turbo depends on what you want to do. I have seen a
brief mention of relatively low maintenance Turbo which Cartech uses, and
it apparently has its own oil resevoir, and uses variable vanes, to reduce
turbo lag/compressor surging.. (Was featured in one of the last three Turbo
Mags)

>                e)  any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics,
>wheels,
Make sure you you can defend the following bumper sticker:
"The Car in Front is a * Toyota"

where * is the Toyota Logo..

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 18:23:35 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping

Chris,
>I am working on rejetting the carb though.  I have the Synchronous
>Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs.  Looks
>like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air,
>because I'm running way rich.  I think that was why the car started
>failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago.
>
>Any ideas on jetting?
>

Pat Braden (yep TPHandbook guy) has a book entitled tuning webbers, it has
just about everything you could want to know on tuning/servicing carbs/jets
etc.. I think the Jan. CCC mag, has a formula for working out jetting, but
as they rightly say, jetting is the last thing you should adjust on your
car, since cam timing etc... will affect this. Everyone I have ever spoken
to on this say, it is an empirical thing, where you just have to change and
try. Air/Fuel indicators may not even be useful here, because DYNO tests by
CCC magazine (most of their cars feature carb'd conversions) have
indicated, that a richer/leaner setups give better output for some engines
than for others. In any event, I would at least like to try one of these
exhaust gas oxygen sensors, as I believe it is a good starting point. (Even
if you don't want to buy the fancy led meter) An exhaust gas sensor (From
Electromotive is about $60.00) and you can hook a volt meter up to the
leads to determine the air/fuel ratio.

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 09:29:23 +1000 (EST)
From: Murray Chapman 
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
To: Tom Julien 
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, tomj@orl.mmc.com

On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Tom Julien wrote:

> 	http://su102a.ess.harris.com

My xmosaic client cannot connect to this site.  Anyone else having problems?

Murray

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:43:09 -0800
From: Joe Woodsprite 
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Cop Cars and Julie

Koji replys:
>BTW so what do they use for pursuit ??!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ?

Around here they are.  There's a real neet '69 Camero that was aquired in
a drug bust in the Salem area.  Talk about unexpected.  Almost as much as the
unmarked Chevy 4X4 pickups that the staters are using occasionally.

>OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =)

Putting that in was nothing compared to cramming a pullout into the stock 
location, Crutchfield said it couldn't be done (they were almost right). ;)

>Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest.
>Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it.
>(Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it
> up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-)
 
So what would bigger gears do to my speedometer accuracy and (gasp!) fuel 
consumption?  This is my "practical" transportation.
 
>Aloha...
 
>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car
>so you can check her out ? =)

I guess I sould clarify.  I was once told I would someday meet the woman of my
dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will be......
Julie.  I hope she likes fast cars.

>-Allen T "Koji" Kam

Woodsprite

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**                      *  1983 Celica ST  *        Joe Woodsprite          ***
**  Looking for Julie,  *                  *     Unsafe at any speed        ***
**    Whereever I go.   *  I don't drive   *                                ***
**        ---           *       fast.      *   lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu   ***
**   I'll do what it    *    I fly low.    *   lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu   ***
**  takes to find her.  *                  *                                ***
**                      *  72 Honda CB350  *                                ***
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:22:59 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Chris's Richness !

>> Chris wrote
>  Koji wrote

> >I am working on rejetting the carb though.  I have the Synchronous
> >Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs.  Looks
> >like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air,
> >because I'm running way rich.  I think that was why the car started
> >failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago.
>
> My next jet size up is a drill bit =) To down jet ya could proably
> do an old racers trick and run the smallest jets and chokes so
> you have great bottom end thats about it...
>
> >Any ideas on jetting?
>
> Its not a timing thing ? Open up the gap on ya spark plugs and fuss with
> timing ?? =)

I called AEM and talked with Steve there.  I told Steve I was running
135 mains and 185 airs and he said that if anything that sounded a
little _lean_!  He suggested I look at:

1.)  Proper float level
2.)  Using a cooler spark plug
3.)  Checking my ignition system for strong spark

I readjusted the float level and now it is _perfect_.  I am going to
order temp range 7 NGK's if they make one for the 20R.  The stock 20R
NGK plug is a 5 (NGK's get cooler as the numbers get bigger.)  The stock
plug is a BPR5EA, and I couldn't find anything like a BPR6EA or BPR7EA,
but they did have BPRxES, although I didn't know the difference between
the A and S suffix.  Anybody?  Evidently going to a cooler plug is a
common trick on racing engines, so you may want to give it a try if you
a driving hard.

Also, I think I am going to get a Accel or Mallory coil and bolt it into
place of my stock coil.  Anyone know if this is OK or not?  Will it help
much?  I am running an original '81 Toyota stock ignition setup.  Any
ideas or comments in this area are appreciated.

Finally, I remember that when I took the adapter plate off the top of
the carb, it had obviously been gas soaked.  Hmmmm.  Since at that time
I thought I just had a jetting problem, I temporarily ignored this.
Now, I am wondering if I might have some sort of problem.  BTW, I had
just capped my vent line from the carb instead of sending it back to the
fuel cell.  Does anyone have any ideas on this?  My racing buddy over
here says that he does it all the time, both on stock Nissan carbs (He's
a Nissan Mechanic) and on 32/36 Webbers.  I guess I'll leave it plugged
until I am led to believe that is the problem.

BTW, let me put in an unpaid advertisement for AEM.  These guys are
great!  I've worked with Keith and, more recently, Steve, and both were
_extremely_ helpful.  They do dyno testing themselves on all of their
stuff on a daily basis, so they have a WORLD of information.  For you
guys thinking about getting a Webber 32/36, buy it from them.  Besides
the fact that they are the US importer of Webber (meaning that they are
the guys that make all of the adapter plates, etc.) this will give you
direct access to their knowledge.  FWIW, when you call RJ and try to get
him to sell you a carb, he'll give you AEM's number.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:32:56 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: ABS

Is that Roger just a walking, talking, networked library or WHAT!  I
mean, for any subject you mention, he cites 3 magazines with 5 different
ariticles that directly relate to the subject!

(I guess you gots plenty of time to read when you winter in Canada!)

Chris

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:46:45 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: South Bay Shop Space

Got this from the Wheel2Wheel racing group.  In case any of you in the
South Bay area are thinking about opening your own race shop...

----- Begin Included Message -----
     My Stepmother has some shop space available in the South Bay,
     Torrance to be exact.  Actually it is the former Halibrand
     Engineering buildings, as she is the daughter of founder Ted
     Halibrand.  There are a couple of different sized buildings
     available and possibly one of them can accomodate your needs.
Her name and address is:

Linda Laski
Sancherlin Properties
1506 w 228th St.
Torrance, CA 90501
(310) 325-5502

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:50:36 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...
 
>From lantera@CSOS.ORST.EDU Thu Feb 10 14:15:03 1994
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:43:09 -0800
>From: Joe Woodsprite 
 
>Subject: Cop Cars and Julie
 
>>Koji replys:
>>BTW so what do they use for pursuit ??!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ?
 
>Around here they are.  There's a real neet '69 Camero that was aquired in
>a drug bust in the Salem area.  Talk about unexpected.  Almost as much as the
>unmarked Chevy 4X4 pickups that the staters are using occasionally.
 
Oh sheesh.... a 1969 Camaro ? Thats almost as bad as the racing Porchse they
have in Arizona to inforce the 100mph speedlimits...
 
>>OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =)
 
>Putting that in was nothing compared to cramming a pullout into the stock
>location, Crutchfield said it couldn't be done (they were almost right). ;)
 
Toyota's are a pain in the butt to install head units. Espically on the
Celica's and Camry's etc... I don't envy you.
 
>>Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest.
>>Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it.
>>(Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it
>> up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-)
 
>So what would bigger gears do to my speedometer accuracy and (gasp!) fuel
>consumption?  This is my "practical" transportation.
 
Actually my speedo was easily adjusted if not its just a simple math driving
around and if you go over 55 well..thats speeding to me so whats the sense
in knowing how fast ya going ? (A friend told me that -shrug-)
 
Hmmmm and I get about 20 MPG with a 200 mile cruising range. A neat trick I
do on my car is that I don't fill it to "full" the car gets too heavy. So
I fill it max 3/4 tank and get the best fuel economy over all. This is
just my theory...not sure if it works for anyone else.
 
>>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car
>>so you can check her out ? =)
 
>I guess I sould clarify.  I was once told I would someday meet the woman of my
>dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will be......
>Julie.  I hope she likes fast cars.
 
Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo
Supra.
 
>Woodsprite
 
P.S A slight gearing change like a 3.9 to a 4.11 or 4.11 to a 4.33 or a 4.33
    to a 4.55 isnt as bad as you think. Its off by some 10 mph or so. Mines is
    off 15 from a "stock" 4.11 gear ratio. More power and you get to your
    speed faster thats it. Fuel Economy has nothing to do with it I think.
    Well it does it you red line it always.. and >I< even find it hard to do
    since "cruising range" is about 60 - 80 and thats only 6000rpm.

- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 09:00:34 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Gearing changes

Coupla' thoughts on gearing changes.  First, your speedo will be off
(presuming it is right in the first place) by exactly the ratio of the
change you make.

Example:  Go from a 4.10 to a 4.38
	  4.38/4.10 = 106.83%

In other words, your speedo will read 6.83% more than what you are
actually doing.  ie, speedo 55, actual speed is 51.48;  speedo 80,
actual speed 74.88.

Now on the other hand, gearing is a trade off (as are most
modifications.)  Gear higher, and you _usually_ lose mileage and top end
speed.  Usually, because if you are horribly underpowered for your setup
(ie, 4x4 with big tires and 22R engine) you may actually see an
improvement in both.  If you want off the line speed, gearing is great.
If you want a good total package, be careful of how much you change your
gearing.

Chris

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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 06:22:57 -0800
To: Allen T "Koji" Kam  ,
Subject: Re: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...

On Feb 11,  3:50am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote:
> Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...

> >>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car
> >>so you can check her out ? =)
>
> >I guess I sould clarify. I was once told I would someday meet the woman of my
> >dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will be......
> >Julie.  I hope she likes fast cars.
>
> Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo
> Supra.

	Any chick can drive a cool car... but, the question IS... is she
CUTE!!!  I remembered this red 69 Camaro (Hawaii) with this little saying on
it's spoiler, "If you can catch me, you can eat me".  Letting my testosterone
get the best of me... (and since I had my 69 RS/SS Camaro then) I gave chase.
 I saw this dark long haired lass.  I kept on saying to myself, what a
bbbaaaa... (as she slowly turned my way)... bbbbaaaauuuuggghhhh.  The girl
looked at me with a face of a horse *neigh*.  Never again will I just jump to
conclusions.  So Joe, beware of Julie... she could be your worst night*mare*
 *ha ha*.

Allan (the other Allan) Chen
Silicone *ooops* Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 09:46:41 EST
From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...

> On Feb 11,  3:50am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote:
> > Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...
> 
> > >>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car
> > >>so you can check her out ? =)
> >
> > >I guess I sould clarify.  I was once told I would someday meet the woman of
> my
> > >dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will
> be......
> > >Julie.  I hope she likes fast cars.
> >
> > Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo
> > Supra.
> 
> 	Any chick can drive a cool car... but, the question IS... is she
> CUTE!!!  I remembered this red 69 Camaro (Hawaii) with this little saying on
> 
> ...

I remember ariving at a Porsche track event and seeing this VERY beautiful
woman get out of a Porsche Turbo with a Penn. license 'TAH-TAH' A few
minutes later a red faced police officer arrived. Shortly afterwoods an
anouncement was made about driving to quickly on the local roads. Seems that
he had been chasing her for a while - She got away

Ray

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 04:49:33 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Julie and Nightmares =)
 
>From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Fri Feb 11 04:24:09 1994
From: "Allan Chen" 
Subject: Re: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...
 
On Feb 11,  3:50am, Allen T Koji Kam wrote:
Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie...
 
>>>> (* Julie Description deleted =( *)
 
>> Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo
>> Supra.
 
>  Any chick can drive a cool car... but, the question IS... is she CUTE!!!
 
Yes...she is cute...almost drop dead single and 26. Got no "time" for a
"relationship" though...
 
>I remembered this red 69 Camaro (Hawaii) with this little saying on it's
>spoiler, "If you can catch me, you can eat me".
 
Heh... I remeber that car. The dad I know and it was a 10 second Camaro.
 
>Letting my testosterone get the best of me...
 
Sure... in Waikiki cruising and ya let it get the best of ya ;)
 
>(and since I had my 69 RS/SS Camaro then) I gave chase.
 
Natutally ya HAD to... ;)
 
>I saw this dark long haired lass.  I kept on saying to myself, what a
>bbbaaaa... (as she slowly turned my way)... bbbbaaaauuuuggghhhh.
>The girl looked at me with a face of a horse *neigh*.
 
Heh... actually..that was Kuulei. The 2 younger sisters are cute.
The younger sister had a Bright Fluorescent Green bug with a porsche
motor inside with the same thing written. Her name was Leilani.
 
The youngest was Naomi I think... she drove a mini truck and didnt
have anything written on it =(
 
>Never again will I just jump to conclusions.
>So Joe, beware of Julie... she could be your worst night*mare*  *ha ha*.
 
Nah Allan.....jus cruising in the wrong places at the wrong times...
Actually Kuulei is actually kinna cute...it might have been her cousin
driving it..shes kinna errrr.... not so cute.
 
>Allan (the other Allan) Chen
>Silicone *ooops* Silicon Graphics Inc.
 
Ahhh...Whats on ya mind ;)
 
See Allan... ya name or nickname SHOULD Be Botoboy ! ;)

- Allen T "Koji" Kam
                     BKA Koji a random waste of diskspace
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 04:57:24 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Women Drivers (An Opinion)
 
>From bahrr@pictel.com Fri Feb 11 04:48:32 1994
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 09:46:41 EST
From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr)
Subject: Re: Women drivers ? =)
 
>Ray wrote:
>I remember ariving at a Porsche track event and seeing this VERY beautiful
>woman get out of a Porsche Turbo with a Penn. license 'TAH-TAH' A few
>minutes later a red faced police officer arrived. Shortly afterwoods an
>anouncement was made about driving to quickly on the local roads. Seems that
>he had been chasing her for a while - She got away
 
Ha ha ha.... I give one thing for women....some of them can sure drive...
and the others are dang spooky... they have no concept of their
genetilia shrinking cause well..theirs is all internal and ours is well
external... I think that has a LOT to do with it. They can speed and correct
their cars and driving and even when they get pulled over get out of the
ticket...this is NOT a FLAME but a observation.
 
WOMEN...What MORE can ya SAY ?!?!?!
 
>Ray
 
A Beautiful woman driving a Porchse with personal plates ? Wow...

I met this older type lady that got GIVEN an NSX by a "friend" as a present.
Damm....some people got all the luck !

- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 10:04:17 -0500
From: roy@lorien.oit.gatech.edu (Roy Mongiovi)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Women Drivers (An Opinion)

When someone complained that toyota-mods was slow, I'm not sure that this
activity was what he had in mind....

Really, I get enough e-mail.

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 10:08:51 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Unrelated Traffic

> When someone complained that toyota-mods was slow, I'm not sure that this
> activity was what he had in mind....
>
> Really, I get enough e-mail.
>

Good observation Roy.  (And I've been part of a lot of that "unrelated
traffic".)  Sorry.

Let's get back to trying to keep the stuff Toyota-mods related.

(Although I enjoy the other mindless chatter about as much or more!)

Chris

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 05:11:17 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Mindless Chatter / Kennedy Manufacters
 
>From roy@lorien.oit.gatech.edu Fri Feb 11 05:01:15 1994
>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 10:04:17 -0500
>From: roy@lorien.oit.gatech.edu (Roy Mongiovi)
 
>When someone complained that toyota-mods was slow, I'm not sure that this
>activity was what he had in mind....
 
>Really, I get enough e-mail.
 
Actually I do tooo..but at least its something =)
And most of the other querys take some research into looking into.
For my posts I apologize and my waste of bandwidth.
 
BTW I think this is the address to Kennedy Adapters.
    Kennedy Engineered Products
    38830 17th East
    Palmdale CA, 93550
    (805) 272-1147
 
Heh...btw Also an apology for my server..seems my mail don't always
go to the right "channels" and i can't send personal mail to everyone
only seems to work right to Chris, Tom and Roger so far (*boggle*)

- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 14:19:14 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Free offer

Pardon this questionable use of bandwidth, but I wanted to offer the
members of our group something.  I know I've mentioned to some of you
that if you ever wanted to come to Florida sometime, that I would gladly
offer you a free bed if you were in the area.  Now, with my sister's
house vacant, I will make the same offer.  It is completely furnished,
and we're hoping that my other sister will move in when school is over
(she's a teacher) but that will be June at the earliest.

Of course, I'm not opening this up to the entire 'net, and it doesn't
extend to your third cousin Louie the cabbie from NY.  But if anyone was
coming down and would like to stop by and stay a few days, the offer is
there.

(BTW, a token house warming gift of, say, an 18RG motor or a bolt-in
supercharger or something wouldn't be refused!)  :-)  :-)

Chris

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 16:33:38 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Email to Fax Gateways....

And now my share of Bandwith usage....

There is an ongoing experiment on the internet that allows one to have
E-Mail messages routed via regular Fax machine in cities/sites which are
part of this experiment. What this means, is that you may be able to
contact your Favourie supplier without the regular long distance Fax
charges (I sent a Fax request to IFG Turbo Systems this way). To date many
major cities are covered, including Japan, NewZeland, etc... If you are
interested in knowing which areas are being covered, send mail to:
tpc-coverage@town.hall.orig (Automated mailing list)

(I don't think the subject matters) but I use help. There is an FAQ which
covers all the details of how to compose a Fax address. Send e-mail to:

tpc-faq@town.hall.org (Automated mailing list)

Have a good weekend guys....

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 94 17:14:24 EST
From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: ABS Switch and Winter Rubber

> I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all
> dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ?

They go rock hard when it get really cold, and then I get all sorts 
of wind leaks and whistles.  I usually spray silicone
lube on them once a year.  I have no idea if it does any good though.

Jon

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From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" 
Subject: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica?
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 19:50:48 +0800 (WST)

..and here I find myself just discharged from the hospital
with 9 stitches more, maybe 9oz less flesh (*ugh*), and 1
KE30 less.. it's a total wreck (*sigh*)
 
Before you ask.. OF COURSE it wasn't my fault! :-) But
nevertheless, as my 'ol man says, "You can be DEAD Right".
Next time around, I'll try to remember not to argue with a
truck when it's headed to me on the driver's side. (*ouch*)
 
Anyway, so much for that, now it's car hunting time again!
Ok, with car prices what they are here in Singapore...
---we sidetrek here for some data to put things in the right
perspective---
Prices for cars NEW,
 
Paseo 1.5 (M) 16V       S$72,694   approx US$45,433
Camry 2.2 GL (A)        S$125,373  approx US$78,358
Corolla 1.6 GLi (M)     S$67,475   approx US$42,171
 
Interesting? Here's just a few more..
 
Ford Telstar 2.0 TX5 (A)        S$117,800  approx US$73,625
Honda Accord EX (A)             S$100,388  approx US$62,742
Rover 820Si                     S$123,000  approx US$76,875
 
Are you in (culture) shock yet?  I hear the only place in
the world where it's more expensive to own a car is Israel.
BTW, Road Tax is computed on a sliding scale but works out
to about S$0.95 /cc... ie 2.0l car = S$1,900 approx
US$1,188 per year. And since road tax is based on engine
cap... mods, engine swaps, etc.. are illegal (*ahem*)
(*cough*) (*cough*)
 
---Now we continue with my hunt for a car (that I can afford
without going into debt for the rest of my life---
 
Criteria
1.      Got to perform better than my KE30 with 4K-C. I was
getting rather frustrated with that car anyway (no, it's not
the reason I took on the truck)
 
2.      I'm more concerned with off the line performance
than top end. Not much space on this little island to
cruise.
 
3.      Should not require an engine swap (*cough*)
(*cough*).
 
4.      Something I can afford! But that bit of data I'll
settle...
 
So, what we're looking at is..
 
a. '78 - '79  Celica (???) for S$15-18K i.e US$9375-US$11250
 
b. '80 - '82  Corolla 1.3 (4K??) for S$20-25K i.e US$12500-15625
 
c. '81 - '82  Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750
 
I'm thinking the Celica would be the best all around. What
say you guys? Err.. what Engine was the Celica of that day
using? Is there a Weber for the '78 Celica? What is  (was?)
the stock performance? What kind of power can I (hope) to get
out of it by just doing "internal" mods like CAM swap 
(ie no engine swap) and using say a dual sidedraft
 (weber vs mikuni...hmm..?).
 
-->Chris: you the one that's got one of these? BTW, better
update my entry on the list as _EX_-KE30 owner :-(
 
More data now to put mods into perspective:
 
Mikuni Dual Sidedraft S$1,350 approx US$844
Weber Single downdraft S$430 approx US$268
+ S$200 (!?) for manifold.
Used 4K-C w/4X gearbox S$1000
 
And that's why it's more fun, cheaper, etc.. to get an old
car and DIY..
 
PS: Anyone who wants to hear more about the wonderful system
Singapore has in store for (would be) car owners is most
welcome to mail me. I dun wanna get flamed for choking
toyota-mods bandwidth with my mumbling.. :-)
 
bentan
ex owner '79 KE30 w/4K-C (*sigh*)

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From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" 
Subject: Byte Article on TAG Eng Mgt Sys - Which Issue?
To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 20:22:20 +0800 (WST)
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods)

..extracted from some message you posted sometime.. somewhere...

> on a F1/BTCC race car with a locked/high performance limited slip
> differential,the ABS system might be hooked into the engine ecu. (Go read
> the article in the Byte magazine that featured the TAG (Mclaren) engine

Which issue was that in? I get Byte but don't recall seeing it.

bentan

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From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" 
Subject: Ignition System
To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 20:53:13 +0800 (WST)
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

> 2.)  Using a cooler spark plug

Interesting.. Always thought the idea was to get the spark Hotter..
Something to learn here.. Got more background?

> 3.)  Checking my ignition system for strong spark

Yeah! Dumping the stock 12KV coil and dropping in a 60KV did wonders for me.

> order temp range 7 NGK's if they make one for the 20R.  The stock 20R
> NGK plug is a 5 (NGK's get cooler as the numbers get bigger.)  The stock
> plug is a BPR5EA, and I couldn't find anything like a BPR6EA or BPR7EA,
> but they did have BPRxES, although I didn't know the difference between
> the A and S suffix.  Anybody?  Evidently going to a cooler plug is a
> common trick on racing engines, so you may want to give it a try if you
> a driving hard.

But why? Unless I'm REALLY messed up (could be 'cause of the bump I took
when that truck hit me and me hit the window...) I get the idea that to get
Power, u want fast, complete combustion, and that comes from a big, hot
spark.  Yes? No? Maybe? Sometimes? Ain't anything either black or white
anymore... :-) 

BTW, every tried (thought of trying) Splitfire plugs? I realize that some
people on rec.autos.tech have had bad experiences with them, but they sure
worked for me. 

> Also, I think I am going to get a Accel or Mallory coil and bolt it into
> place of my stock coil.  Anyone know if this is OK or not?  Will it help
> much?  I am running an original '81 Toyota stock ignition setup.  Any
> ideas or comments in this area are appreciated.

If it's anything like my setup was, you will FEEL The Power of a coil swap!
You didn't mention what leads you're using, but if, like me, you got them
"normal" leads, you'll find them might HOT after even a short run. Dumping
them and going for 8.8mm type leads solved that, but to be honest I didn't
really Feel any improvement, just that the wires weren't burning to the
touch.  

About the carb thing, you got any (Strong) opinions on Webber vs Mikuni? I
understand (unless my wires are crossed - again) that TRD recommends Mikuni?

bentan

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 08:13:28 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica?

> ..and here I find myself just discharged from the hospital
> with 9 stitches more, maybe 9oz less flesh (*ugh*), and 1
> KE30 less.. it's a total wreck (*sigh*)

Ouch!

> Prices for cars NEW,
> Paseo 1.5 (M) 16V       S$72,694   approx US$45,433
> Camry 2.2 GL (A)        S$125,373  approx US$78,358
> Corolla 1.6 GLi (M)     S$67,475   approx US$42,171

Ouch, Ouch!

> Ford Telstar 2.0 TX5 (A)        S$117,800  approx US$73,625
> Honda Accord EX (A)             S$100,388  approx US$62,742
> Rover 820Si                     S$123,000  approx US$76,875

Ouch, Ouch, Ouch!  Stop it, yer killing me!

> a. '78 - '79  Celica (???) for S$15-18K i.e US$9375-US$11250
> b. '80 - '82  Corolla 1.3 (4K??) for S$20-25K i.e US$12500-15625
> c. '81 - '82  Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750

Now I AM dead.  You can scavenge around here and find a decent 78-79
Celica for around $500.   Matter of fact, I know where I can find an '83
Supra that needs a new hood and rear hatch for around $200.  Anyway, all
of these would be good cars, but I flinch at the _thought_ of paying so
much.  Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet
with only the 2K engine.

Is there any way I could find you one over here and ship it to ya?  I
could get you something _beautiful_ compared to these for $1000 US or
so.  Surely it wouldn't cost another $9000 US to get is there, would
it?

Chris

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 08:28:20 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Ignition System

> > 2.)  Using a cooler spark plug
>
> Interesting.. Always thought the idea was to get the spark Hotter..
> Something to learn here.. Got more background?
(...and then...)
> I get the idea that to get Power, u want fast, complete combustion,
> and that comes from a big, hot spark.  Yes? No? Maybe? Sometimes?

Sorry, I don't understand it yet, but _everyone_ I've talked to says "go
to a cooler plug".  The only thing I can think of is that a hotter plug
might cause the fuel-air mix to pre-detonate, the way lead deposits will
when they get hot on the inside of the combustion chamber.  I do know
that a side-effect of cooler plugs is that it keeps the combustion
chamber cooler, but I don't think that is the main reason to go to a
cooler plug.

> BTW, every tried (thought of trying) Splitfire plugs? I realize that some
> people on rec.autos.tech have had bad experiences with them, but they sure
> worked for me.

Your the second person to recommend them, so I am considering it.  Its
just that I am SOOOO tight, that when it comes to paying $4 or $5 or
whatever each that the splitfires cost, I get woozy.  (Here I am
complaing about price to the man from the land of $13000 USED
Starlets!.)

> About the carb thing, you got any (Strong) opinions on Webber vs Mikuni? I
> understand (unless my wires are crossed - again) that TRD recommends Mikuni?
> bentan

Koji has stronger feelings and more experience with carbs than I do, but
I don't think that TRD leans toward one manufacturer specifically, but
rather toward a particular carb for a particular application.  I think
the 32/26 Weber is nearly a defacto standard for general purpose,
streetable performance on 4 cylinder engines, although dual sidedrafts
will give you more all-out performance (for a bunch more money.)

Chris

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From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" 
Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica?
To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 22:14:51 +0800 (WST)
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

> > ..and here I find myself just discharged from the hospital
> > with 9 stitches more, maybe 9oz less flesh (*ugh*), and 1
> > KE30 less.. it's a total wreck (*sigh*)
> 
> Ouch!

*Groan*  But hey! 2.5 weeks off work is kinda nice and makes up for the pain
a little... 

> >  [Obscene date deleted]
>
> Ouch, Ouch!
> 
> >  [more vulgar data left out]
> 
> Ouch, Ouch, Ouch!  Stop it, yer killing me!

Welcome to Singapore. Land of the happy car owner. Read Wired Oct(?) 93 for
more colorful details.

> > a. '78 - '79  Celica (???) for S$15-18K i.e US$9375-US$11250
> > b. '80 - '82  Corolla 1.3 (4K??) for S$20-25K i.e US$12500-15625
> > c. '81 - '82  Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750
> 
> Now I AM dead.  

If yer ever come this way, don't plan on renting a car... :-) much less
buying one for a short term and then dumping it... 

> You can scavenge around here and find a decent 78-79
> Celica for around $500.

Ouch! Yeow! Stop it! Now You're killing ME..  :-(

> Matter of fact, I know where I can find an '83
> Supra that needs a new hood and rear hatch for around $200.

*argh* I knew I would have enjoyed studying in the states...

> Anyway, all
> of these would be good cars, but I flinch

Only a flinch? :-)

> at the _thought_ of paying so much. 
> Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet
> with only the 2K engine.

Yup. I agree. 

I didn't mention one more option, a Carina from the '79-'81 era. That's also
in the US$12,000 range. ie my budget... And yes, every car owner you see in
Singapore is seriously in Debt... No one, like No One, except the REALLY
rich, pays "cash" for a car here; it's all on like 3 yr - 8 (!) yr
hire-purchase. 

> Is there any way I could find you one over here and ship it to ya?  I
> could get you something _beautiful_ compared to these for $1000 US or
> so.  Surely it wouldn't cost another $9000 US to get is there, would
> it?

Thanks for your offer, really. But unfortunately, the big guys down here
kinda figured that one out and plugged the loophole sometime (20yrs?) back.
It goes like this.. when you "import" a car, you have a tax levied on it..
besides that, to do a new registration (as opposed to transfering an old
one), you need this thing called a Certificate of Entitlement (C.O.E). These
things are released in limited qty every month in a tender system (ie you
want one, place your bid...). There are catagories for COEs like below
1000cc (small cars) 1001-1600 (medium), Goods vehicles, commercial vehicals,
motorcycles, etc... to give you more obscene data:

Last month, COE for <1000cc cars : US$20061
	1001-1600cc: US$25565	
	>2000cc: US$28500

Don't forget, these prices are for the Right (like Warrants and Options...)
to own a car, not for the cars themselves. Yup, you got it.. the prices in
the last message I quoted for New cars Do NOT Include the COE.. *slap*
Chris! Chris! *cold water* you still there Chris?! Somebody get the smelling
salts... :-)  BTW, someone I wrote to once in Canada didn't believe the
prices I was quoting, and thought I was pulling his leg. As it turned out he
was due to drop by Singapore on his way to Australia, so we had a bet... If
the prices are all baloney I'll buy you a car in Canada... if they're true,
he buys me a car here.. *heh*.. I mean this guy just COULDN'T believe it and
was SO SURE that No Where In The World is that Crazy... Dunno how/why but he
got himself off the hook over a bottle of XO... incidentally, did I mention
the price beer and liquor here.... :-)

Now back to my hunt for a car... darn! I keep going off in a tangent. Must
be reading too much of someone's messages here on toy-mods.. (*big wide
grin*). Ok so it looks like the '78 / '80 Celica? What engine does that have
under it's hood, and who still makes parts for it? BTW, which was the first
car to have the 2TC / 3TC in it? 

ben
BTW, I might take you up on an offer to ship an engine over here though...
:-)

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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 07:06:17 -0800
To: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420),
Subject: Re: Winter Rubber

On Feb 12,  5:14pm, Jonathan Hacker 21420 wrote:
> Subject: RE: ABS Switch and Winter Rubber
>
> > I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all
> > dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ?
>
> They go rock hard when it get really cold, and then I get all sorts
> of wind leaks and whistles.  I usually spray silicone
> lube on them once a year.  I have no idea if it does any good though.

	Silicone spray is actually a plus for window rubber, as a matter a fact
most natural rubber items.  Silicone is also used as a waterproofing material
often used as base for items such as Scotchguard.  To the best of my knowledge,
silicone sprays are not harmful to natural rubber (unless there is a strong
petroleum distillate in it that may destroy the rubber).

Thanks,
Allan "botoboy" Chen (hopefully this will distinct the two Allan/Allen apart
and I'll let Koji explain it)
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:16:31 EST
From: eyoung1@cosmos.bellcore.com (Errol Young)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com@bellcore.com
Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica?

> From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
> Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica?
> > c. '81 - '82  Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750
> 
>.... Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet
> with only the 2K engine.			      ^^^^^^
> 

	This Starlet would have to come with a 4AGEZ with all the works
	(fiber glass everything), full leather interior, etc. including
	a 24K gold shifter with a diamond shift knob... etc.  Or, not unless
	it is a 1995 Starlet that could do 0-60 in under 7 sec.... must I
	go on!

> Is there any way I could find you one over here and ship it to ya?  I
> could get you something _beautiful_ compared to these for $1000 US or
> so.  Surely it wouldn't cost another $9000 US to get is there, would
> it?
>

	I would take up Chris' offer to get you on over here and ship it!
	With US$10K, you could probably get a newer Supra ('88 maybe).

									-Errol

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:20:24 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Misc Info.....

Chris, Here's the Address for Electromotive:
Electromotive Inc.
14004-J Willard Road
Chantilly,
Virginia, 22021
USA
Tel: 703-378-2444
     800-843-3889

I normally talk to "Monique" (She has a nice southern accent)

Electromotive sells direct, and have many accessories for ignition/fuel
management systems. Including Air/Fuel sensors, Exhaust gas sensors etc..
You could simply ask them to Fax you their price list. They also have full
brochures available on all their products..

NB: I was confused a little while back thinking that ElectrOmotive and
ElectrAmotive were the same, there not. ElectrAmotive is to Nissan, what
TRD is to Toyota. (ElectrAmotive developed Nissans GTP/GTO/GTU cars...)

> Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet
> with only the 2K engine.

Well... I have to Agree, you'd probably spend a small fortune to build that
starlet into a mean machine. I do know, howeveer that the 81-82 Starlets
are the choice for the starlet Die Hards (Mines an 83). The line between
being practical and going off the deep end, is very narrow you know.

>More data now to put mods into perspective:
>
>Mikuni Dual Sidedraft S$1,350 approx US$844
>Weber Single downdraft S$430 approx US$268 + S$200 (!?) for manifold.
>Used 4K-C w/4X gearbox S$1000

Since Carb rebuild kits are cheap, most people I know will opt for second
hand units. A Formula Atlantic team here in TO. still has some weber 48's
(side draft) carbs for sale, last I checked, they were going for US
$450/pair, however they were  extensively modified for competition.. My
starlet had a 4K-E (fuel injection) originally, I couldn't even give the
engine away once my conversion was done!

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 08:42:04 PST
From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica?

}I didn't mention one more option, a Carina from the '79-'81 era. That's also
}in the US$12,000 range. ie my budget... And yes, every car owner you see in
}Singapore is seriously in Debt... No one, like No One, except the REALLY
}rich, pays "cash" for a car here; it's all on like 3 yr - 8 (!) yr
}hire-purchase. 

Isn't there some kind of rule/law where you *have* to get rid of a
car if it's more than 10yrs old?  Either that or there is some sort
of levy that makes it prohibitively expensive to own an 'old' car?
I might be totally wrong on this.

My wife (from S'pore) said that one of her uncles used to buy 
Mercedes. I surmise he was making it big or something to afford
one at those prices.  At the end of 10yrs, he had to scrap it in 
Malaysia so he could get more than what he could sell it for 
locally because of that rule.

aaron

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 12:59:19 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Limiting bandwidth with Side Groups.

Seems I do my best thinking while eating...

At lunch I came up with a way to reduce bandwidth while increasing the
amount of focus we could place on subjects of relatively narrow
interest.  I realized that not everyone would like to get into a long
drawn-out discussion on how to get Ben set up in a new car, so we could
just make a side group called, say toyota-mods-btptan, and all of the
mail for that group would go only to those who were interested.  After
we were done the group would be closed out, and one person would
volunteer to write a short summary of the results of this
"sub-committee."  Then I realized that we could do this with any subject
that might have a large traffic flow from a few individuals.  I've
already done this with the Mosaic users (toyota-mods-mosaic), and it
only takes about 5 minutes to set up another one.

So, any time you are getting sick of a particular subject which has no
relevance to you, but about 15% of the group is discussing ad nauseum,
simply suggest that we move it to a side group.

Now, who would like to be on the btptan side group?  To make things
easier on me, simply request by sending mail to toyota-mods-request with
subject "subscribe btptan" and no body-text (that way I can just add you
without reading the mail.)  Looks like besides discussing the details of
setting up a 78-79 Celica for performance, we'll get to broach the topic
of international finance, shipping, etc.

If you have any strong feelings about setting up side groups, let me
know that as well.  It's just an idea.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 16:40:58 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: K&N air filters for Toyotas (Corollas)

 I received a  94 catalog from Ripspeed intl.(London, based), and they list
K&N replacement filter elements for: **STARLETS**, Corollas, MR2's,
Celicas.. Price is about 20-30 pounds sterling... Note however, that K&N
have complete systems much like the HKS powerflow system, however they
don't appear to manufacture a complete system specific to Corolla. Which, I
believe is why some people state that K&N don't make a filter for the
corolla.. somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 11:22:56 -0800 (PST)
From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
Subject: New Member!! George Orwell

What the H*** is this stuff about having to create a new sub-group for
toyota-mods!!!  I'm away for a few days (travel) and come back to find
some lively exchanges have taken place on the list (thanks for the inputs
on headers, I'll post results and comments later) then suddenly somebody
whines and the list goes dead.  Say What??!!??

Listen, if you have a problem with "to much" e-mail that's your problem. Chris
had a problem on the toyota list, but didn't burden it with the responsiblity
for doing something about it.  HE bit the bullet and pulled himself off.
The list's loss, but that's the way it works. I came back to 180 pieces of
mail, very little of it was send directly to me (other mailing lists).  I had
two choices, wade through it or mass delete.  Regardless, it's my problem.

If you join mailing lists just so you can say you have mail every now and then, 
your on the list for the wrong reason.

If you think traffic is wasting bandwidth, your welcome to your opinion, but I
don't think it should result in this drastic a response (seperate mailing list).
Fine, things did manage to get a little off track, I friendly word is all it
takes to get things back under control.  Also, one's person's waste is another's
treasure. So my philosophy is to let it go, I don't have to read it.  Somebody,
somehow may be benefiting from it.

Why this tirade?  A separate list has been created as a solution for excess
traffic and I've completely missed out on it apparently (yes, I am whining).
Yeah, my fault, I wasn't here, but who would have expected this? Couldn't
there have been a vote (maybe there was???).  If this subgroup approach
continues, I'm certain other folks will have this same problem.  Your away
a while and an entire thread on an interesting subject will have passed you
by.  No good . . .

Yes, I'm one voice and don't mean to imply that I think I can dictate or
leverage how the list should be run.  But, if the only motivation was to
"reduce" traffic because of some isolated complaints, it (in some ways)
defeats the purpose of the medium.  Let's keep freedom of choice and
expression in toyota-mods, 1984 is long gone . . . good riddens to it.

Clark "that damn customer just sent a stop work order" Wallace

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 14:39:22 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: New Member!! George Orwell

Uh, wow, guess a nerve got touched there, eh Clark?  Hmmm, I do guess I
have been getting a bit soft about the bandwidth issue, but let me
clarify my stance a bit.  I don't want to put _every_ issue on a
side-group, just those that may be too "off center".  Actually, I don't
want to put _anything_ on a side group, but I do realize that sometimes
we get side-tracked on certain issues and we do need to remember that a
few folks pay a per email fee for their internet access, and even more
pay for their connect time.  Obviously, we don't want to start having to
address mail to the group on
toyota-mods-corollas-alternators-pivot_bolts-strengthening, but I hate
to think that people have to _pay_ for my rambling!  :-)

What's everyone else think?  Are sub groups a good idea, or are we
getting too wimpy and politically sensitive?  BTW, I just got the
toyota-mods-btptan group going late this morning, and we've had a total
of 2 messages so far, so if anybody wants to join it (and it does look
like it will be interesting) you still can.

Clark, breath deeply, and quote after Barney...."I love you, you love
me, we're a great big family..."  :-)  :-)  :-)

(Heh, I just got a hilarious .au (Sun sound) file that has the cast of
the original Star Trek taking on Barney.  Funny stuff!  Mail me if you
want a copy.)

Chris

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From: jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Archive info on 4AGE in MR2
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 14:40:02 EST

I'm looking for a FAQ, mail, and/or a pointer to anon ftp 
information about 4AGE mods in an MR2.

Thanks,
Jeff Burney jburney@nodc.noaa.gov        |        "Put up the damn jib!"
Ocean Climate Lab  202-606-1044          | 
National Oceanographic Data Center/NOAA  | 
        Disclaimer: I don't speak for NODC, but I do speak for food.

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From: Gary H 
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: 82-85 Celica GTS/Supra rims
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 12:13:20 PST

I was debating whether or not to post this on the mods list but decided I
should since I'm in need of the following:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am looking for 82-85 Toyota Celica GT-S or Supra Alloy rims.  If anyone
has a set (or just one) to sell, or know of a source where I can get these
in the Bay Area/Santa Cruz, please email garyh@sco.com.

The rims are 14"x7" and are stocked aluminum mags.  The rims have square
bars that form four "\_/".  

Looks sort of like this, but due to ascii, it's kinda off.

 \ \__/ /
  | __ |
 / /  \ \

Thanks,
Gary

Ps. I hope this is not a waste of the mods bandwidth

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 12:39:36 PST
From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: too much email

For my 3cents worth,

I personally don't mind the amount of toy-mods mail.  Certainly, my mailbox
is kinda full every morning, but it's kinda nice to see what others
are doing.  That's what makes it interesting!  In anycase, the amount 
of traffic in this list isn't anywhere close to the 50+ messages per
day from the BMW list!  I ain't complainin! :-)

aaron

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From: Gary H 
To: simmers@sfu.ca, toyota@quack.kfu.com
Subject: Re: Doors blown off!
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 15:27:31 PST

>I have an interesting story in regards for my quest for more power
>for my Celica. I was coming onto a bridge and saw a white Celica
>behind me. It was a nice 84. Anyways, I figured - same car- same top
>speed, power, etc. WHOOPS! I was doing 130(not really pushing it) and
>he went roaring past me. I didn't see a turbo inlet but something was
>wrong here. Not being the type to give up easily I chased after and
>caught up. Round 2. I go flying past him at 120 or so and into a
>curve. Wow! I thought I was going to die. The Celica DOES NOT corner
>well at this speed. Needless to say, the white Celica punches it and
>passes me on the inside of the curve(not in a lane) I figure he was
>doing 150. Any of you who have Celicas know this is not possible. I
>had it floored and he just blew my doors off! I NEED MORE POWER!!!!!
>
>Brian

Brian,

I like your story.  I can relate.  I had my doors blown off by a Honda
Civic going through the Santa Cruz mountains.  It was there when I
started my quest for more POWER! Of course, I got my doors blown off
by a Probe GT Turbo, but it was stupid of me to even try (I was alot
younger then!)

Maybe the guy had a nitrous system? Is your car an auto or stick? I sorta
find it hard that the celica can do 120 easily (since I have a hard time
getting up to 100).

Gary

PS.  This is a good story for the toyota mods list.  I will forward this to
     the list.

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:50:28 CST
From: toymod@sysfjo.uucp@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com (Fred Oberbuchner)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list)
Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail

>What's everyone else think?  Are sub groups a good idea, or are we
>getting too wimpy and politically sensitive?  BTW, I just got the
>toyota-mods-btptan group going late this morning, and we've had a total
>of 2 messages so far, so if anybody wants to join it (and it does look
>like it will be interesting) you still can.

Sign me up!

Suggestion:
	How about ONE subgroup (toyota-mods-aaaaaah) that could be used
	for the mail-lovers (sign me up) on topics not "proper" for the
	main list. The original poster could send a copy to the main
	list informing anyone else of the question and soliciting
	responses via the sub-list? I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE HAPPY WE
	HAVE CHRIS WHO IS SUCH AN ACCOMIDATING GUY!!! LET'S NOT OVERLOAD
	HIM WITH UMPTEEN ZILLION THINGS TO DO. (3 cheers for Chris!!!)
>
>Clark, breath deeply, and quote after Barney...."I love you, you love
>me, we're a great big family..."  :-)  :-)  :-)
I hate you,
you hate me,
let's go out and kill Barney,
with a bang bang there he goes,
see him hit the floor,
no more purple dinasaur.
Did you know that Barney wants to replace his stock 4AGE in his Corolla
with a 4AGZE? (<-- mandatory Toy-mods related info!)

>
>(Heh, I just got a hilarious .au (Sun sound) file that has the cast of
>the original Star Trek taking on Barney.  Funny stuff!  Mail me if you
>want a copy.)
>
>Chris
Chris: could you mail me a copy to fredo@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com? Thanks

Just my $0.02+PST+GST (that's in Canadian $ of course!)

Regards,
Fredo

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:56:46 CST
From: toymod@sysfjo.uucp@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com (Fred Oberbuchner)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list)
Subject: Re: K&N air filters for Toyotas (Corollas)

I tried and tried to get a K&N for my 88 'Rolla GTS but to no avail.
I ended up getting a custom bracket made up which deleted my entire
air box and bolted a LARGE cylindrical K&N directly onto my air flow
meter. NICE JOB! It ended up costing me about $150 (installed and 
including filter) with which I am happy given the cost of the power-flow 
systems running about $200. (I also believe this will filter better)

	Plug for "Jackson Autosport" in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
	(204) 235-1123

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 10:49:25 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail

OK.

I'm working on getting a digest mode going.  I'll let everyone know when
it is available.  What this means is that every day, all of the mail
will go into a single file.  At some time around midnight or so, a
simple script file will attempt to parse out some of the spurious header
info, and will mail the entire day's posts to those on the digest list.
Posting to the list will be the same as always.  Whoever would like to
go to digest mode is welcome/encouraged to do so.

I still kinna like the sub-group idea, since it might allow us to make
some quick progress on a faq/info for the Mosaic server without diluting
the regular group with things we've already discussed.  As a matter of
fact, I was kinda thinking that the -btptan subgroup would turn into a
2xR Celica modifications faq, if that is what kinda car Ben decides to
get.

Your comments, as always, are appreciated.  <---Yech! What a wimpy
statement!

> I hate you,
> you hate me,
> let's go out and kill Barney,
> with a bang bang there he goes,
> see him hit the floor,
> no more purple dinasaur.
> Did you know that Barney wants to replace his stock 4AGE in his Corolla
> with a 4AGZE? (<-- mandatory Toy-mods related info!)

Uhhhh, can somebody go help Fred?  Obviously this cold winter has
affected his brain!  Maybe Fred needs to spend some time here in
Florida.  :-)

Chris

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 10:54:47 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail

Ummm, just wanted to make sure everybody understands that I am _adding_
digest mode for those who would like it, not changing the entire list to
digest mode.  I may not have made that perfectly clear in the last
post...

Chris

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 09:02:12 MST
From: groves@noao.edu (Lee Groves)
To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail

>> Did you know that Barney wants to replace his stock 4AGE in his Corolla
>> with a 4AGZE? (<-- mandatory Toy-mods related info!)
>
>Uhhhh, can somebody go help Fred?  Obviously this cold winter has
>affected his brain!  Maybe Fred needs to spend some time here in
>Florida.  :-)
>
>Chris
>

This is way off subject, but if anyone wants it, I have the address
for the official "I Hate Barney Secret Society"...

Lee

(Who wonders how Yamaha's V6 from the Tarus SHO would work in an early
MR2 --twin turbos, of course....)

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From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" 
Subject: FAQ
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 22:00:45 +0800 (WST)

Is someone (Chris?) working on any FAQ for the group? I'd like to volenteer
(*gulp*) to help put one together. Is there (some semblence of) one already
on the Mosiac server? I can't get to it as my connection to the net is only
by dumb term dial in, ie no X. Or is there a way I can connect to the mosiac
server w/o X... Chris? 

bentan

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From: "Allan Chen" 
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 12:35:49 -0800
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Bouncing mail...

Folks,

	I must apologize for all that bounced mail you have probably received
these past couple of days.  I had a talented individual here at work who
decided to upgrade the operating system in our area without notifying any of
us.  In doing so this individual also blew away my directories as well as my
mail files.
*Grrrrrrr*  I was only able to recover a percentage of my mail files.  If it is
not too much trouble to request for any past info regarding the following.

	1)  85-87 Corolla GT-S/GTi mods/with alternative powerplant

	2)  Starlet mods/with alternative powerplant

	3)  4AG engine series mods/transplant

	4)  3SG engine series mods/transplant

	Roger, Chris, and Koji, I thank you guys so much for the information
you have provided could I trouble you folks for your assistance again.  I
apologize once more for the use of this bandwidth for this request.  Any
information will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Allan "botoboy" Chen
Silicon Graphics Inc.
Mountain View, CA
allanc@sgi.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 20:35:09 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Airfilters for the Corolla's
 
>From roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca Mon Feb 14 11:54:53 1994
>Subject: K&N air filters for Toyotas (Corollas)
 
> I received a  94 catalog from Ripspeed intl.(London, based), and they list
>K&N replacement filter elements for: **STARLETS**, Corollas, MR2's,
>Celicas.. Price is about 20-30 pounds sterling... Note however, that K&N
>have complete systems much like the HKS powerflow system, however they
>don't appear to manufacture a complete system specific to Corolla. Which, I
>believe is why some people state that K&N don't make a filter for the
>corolla.. somebody correct me if I'm wrong...
 
No you are correct. Frankly they do not see making one for the GTS or such.
They have "stock" filters that have applications for the "Stock" carb
SR-5 Corolla's etc. As for the GTS. Well.. SOL.
 
Off the record the Mazda 323 Filter is the universal one.
The Diameter fits the air box on the GTS etc. Just apply your own clamps.
Its a bit freerer flowing so you will lose some low end acceleration.
 
>Roger Smith
 
-Koji
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|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 20:43:40 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Barney and Yamaha SHO Motors
 
>From groves@noao.edu Thu Feb 17 06:05:57 1994
From: groves@noao.edu (Lee Groves)
 
>This is way off subject, but if anyone wants it, I have the address
>for the official "I Hate Barney Secret Society"...
 
Send me mail =) I Wanna join (*boggle*)
 
>Lee
 
>(Who wonders how Yamaha's V6 from the Tarus SHO would work in an early
>MR2 --twin turbos, of course....)
 
Actually If you talk to ANY American motor enthusist it was concepted
IN the USA LABS BY AMERICANS at the Special Projects department.
 
However. Yamaha does have the same design. Maybe it was a "shared"
discovery or something or they both had the same designs at the same
time... must be Kismet =)
 
I have a friend who "toured" this "Special Projects" department where
they developed the SHO motor and all. After all the Taurus IS the American
car designed by ITS workers on how a car SHOULD BE MADE.
 
Go Japan ! Errrr I mean USA ! (Sorry Olympic Feva !)
 
-Koji
 
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| Allen T "Koji" Kam                           tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu |
|      Life Life...                                  koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu |
|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
|      Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts   |
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From: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti)
Subject: Re: '78 - '80 Celica has 2T-? ?
To: btptan@solomon.technet.sg (Benjamin T.P. Tan)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:41:20 EET
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota-mods mailing list)

> > Even '72 Celicas go for $2K or more, for a '81 GT one has to shell
> > out about $7-9K (there aren't many of those here). Seeing all those
> > old Supras sell in the US for less than a '72 Celica makes me want to 
> > import one...
> 
> Same here. Just that they kinda plugged that loophole sometime back.
> Besides, we're right-hand drive here. What's it in Finland?

We drive on the right side of the road.
Importing a car might become a bit cheaper in near future, ie the taxes
would go down.

> > Much better than the -28C we had last week.
> 
> Depends whether you like it hot or cold. I keep seeing tourists here
> avoiding the sheltered walkways and walking in the sun. Incomprehensible to

I would do that too ;)

> most S'poreans. :-)  An interesting thing to note is that with the temp what
> it is here, most "continental cars" (as we refer to anything non-Jap,
> non-Korean, non-Malaysian; yes, they're making cars in Malaysia now) have
> over heating problems. I guess in cold climates you want the engine heated
> up to operating temp fast. But here, with the temp guage going up abt 2/3 of

Yes, to decrease engine wear and even get the driver warm too...
On the other hand, I almost cooked my previous 4K Corolla 3 times last summer:(

> > If you get a one with 2T, you might want to swap the head to 
> > a 2T-G one (110-125 hp). 
> 
> Sounds like my kind of mod. What kind of head is that? 

DOHC (Twin Cam), 8 (large) valves.

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Matti Kalalahti		k124476@cs.tut.fi		k124476@ee.tut.fi

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From: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti)
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 21:05:31 EET
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota-mods mailing list)

> >        4)  aftermarket recommendation:
> >
> >                a)  cams
> Depends on what you want to do, for 3T-GTE, you may have to get your own
> cams/profiles ground. I figure at least 200 BHP is possible with stock cam.

If you can keep the boost high enough without knocking (see intercoolers).

> >                c)  suspension
> The 3T-GTE is probably twice as heavy as a 4AGE, so plan accordingly. Stock
> Tokico GTS suspension, can't handle the job. As the GTS/3TGT-E owner
> explained to me, under heavy braking, you can feel the weight Transfer. A

You sure can. But I prefer the feel of the weight tranfer while accelerating ;)
BTW, which brand shocks do you recommend (for RWD Carina (or Celica) with 
3T-GTEU or something of the same weight. Prices in the US for the front pair?

> >                c)  carburetion/EFI mods
> The corolla GTS I saw is fueled by Haltech, while the ignition uses 2

Better than the stock EFI?

> electromotive HP-V1 units (3T-GTE is a 2 spark plug per cyclinder engine).
> For what its worth, I would go with an Electromotive TECII, as they offer
> fuel/ignition control in one package, and their systems are certified for
> use in California!! No point having a car in Cali, if they won't certify
> it?

FYI, my generally stock 3T-GTEU runs 0.84-0.88 idle mixture, 3.5% CO, 
330 ppm HC. 10-11L/100km highway (no matter how hard), 13-17L/100km city.
Oxygen sensor should help both (8.9L/100km quoted on "Japanese emission 
cycle", whatever that might be).

> >                d)  alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers,
> >                        etc...)
> Intercoolers are nice, Turbo depends on what you want to do. I have seen a

You will want an intercooler. After that, you should be able to run up to 
1.2 bar boost without problems.

> >                e)  any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics,
> >wheels,
> Make sure you you can defend the following bumper sticker:
> "The Car in Front is a * Toyota"
> 
> where * is the Toyota Logo..

No need for such a sticker, nobody will have enough time to read it ;)

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Matti Kalalahti		k124476@cs.tut.fi		k124476@ee.tut.fi

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:24:40 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: FAQ

> Is someone (Chris?) working on any FAQ for the group? I'd like to volenteer
> (*gulp*) to help put one together. Is there (some semblence of) one already
> on the Mosiac server? I can't get to it as my connection to the net is only
> by dumb term dial in, ie no X. Or is there a way I can connect to the mosiac
> server w/o X... Chris?
>
> bentan

Good question.  Actually, we have several things in the works right now,
but nothing that is currently available.  What the best thing would be
to do would be to suggest a subject you'd like to become the subject
matter expert on, and then just start compiling info on that subject.
We don't have a specific format, but I think that as information is
developed on various topics, it will begin to gel and take shape
nicely.  Roger is doing this sort of thing by developing a list of
Toyota cars and their (stock) configuations, performance data, etc.

As far as producing this "FAQ" or whatever, we really aren't to that
stage yet, although the Mosaic server is one effort to do so.  Now, for
some good news for folks linking via a dumb terminal...lynx.  lynx is a
Mosaic program that allows you to get a basic use of a Mosaic site even
it you don't have graphics capability.  You can get lynx at:
	ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu
in the
	/pub/WWW/lynx
directory.  There are pre-compiled executables for various machines,
plus source code for those who might need to DIY.  Basically, this
allows folks who access an internet machine via a dumb terminal to get
at least part of the Mosaic utility.  Hope this helps.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:57:51 -0500
To: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti)
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

>
>> >                c)  suspension
>> The 3T-GTE is probably twice as heavy as a 4AGE, so plan accordingly. Stock
>> Tokico GTS suspension, can't handle the job. As the GTS/3TGT-E owner
>> explained to me, under heavy braking, you can feel the weight Transfer. A
>
>You sure can. But I prefer the feel of the weight tranfer while accelerating ;)
>BTW, which brand shocks do you recommend (for RWD Carina (or Celica) with
>3T-GTEU or something of the same weight. Prices in the US for the front pair?
>

It's not so much the shocks that are the issue, as is the spring rates. The
plan for the converted corolla, was to re-use the tokico shock, but with 2
inch springs, (probably with spring rates of about 300-400 lbs). The
technique/tip, has been featured, in several different mag. articles, where
they show, how to modify, a strut to a performance 2" "coil over" system.
The technique Involves a small bit of welding/cutting. Note the term
"coil-over shock" is a bit misleading, as your (front) macpherson strut
system, is a coil-over system.

With a coil over system, the spring runs almost the whole length of the
strut/shock. The porsche 911, front/rear spring/shock arangement is a good
illustration. Carrera (The company)  has a line of coil over systems, that
would be adaptable to the rear. For your typical front toyota macpherson
system, the approach is to modify it yourself.

>
>> >                c)  carburetion/EFI mods
>> The corolla GTS I saw is fueled by Haltech, while the ignition uses 2
>
>Better than the stock EFI?
>

Its much easier to "sort out" a haltech/aftermarket system, than to
decipher toyotas's Black Box ECU. Stock toyota ECU can be a headache in
terms of tracing through the wiring harness. Also with programmable
systems, you can try out different engine Maps, by downloading a new one
from a laptop computer.
>
>You will want an intercooler. After that, you should be able to run up to
>1.2 bar boost without problems.
>

duh!?, what's the conversion factor to psi?

P.S can you fill in the blanks on the 3TGTE?

ENGINE: 3TGTE
TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head
BORE x STROKE: ??mm x ??mm
DISPLACEMENT:  ?? cc's
COMPRESSION RATIO: ?:1
ECU: Toyota, ??
EMISSIONS:
TURBO:
POWER:
TORQUE:
REDLINE:
VALVE GEAR: Chain driven DOHC
VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2
VEHICLE: ?? Carina,
COMMENTS: Twin spark plugs/cyclinder, etc......

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Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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From: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti)
Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants...
To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 16:07:41 EET
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota-mods mailing list)

> >You will want an intercooler. After that, you should be able to run up to
> >1.2 bar boost without problems.
> >
> 
> duh!?, what's the conversion factor to psi?

about 14, 1.2 bar ~ 17psi. Now I can barely get .7 bar ~ 10psi.

> P.S can you fill in the blanks on the 3TGTE?
> 
> ENGINE: 3T-GTEU
> TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head
> BORE x STROKE: 85mm x 78mm
> DISPLACEMENT:  1770 cc's
> COMPRESSION RATIO: 7.8:1
> ECU: Toyota, ??
(haven't taken apart yet)
> EMISSIONS: without cat @ 0.84-0.88 lambda, idle: 3.5% CO, 330 ppm HC
(originally all had 3-way cat converters with lambda sensors, I don't have
 those.)
> TURBO: Toyota CT20
> POWER: 160hp@6000rpm (JIS)
> TORQUE: 206Nm@4800rpm, 152 lb ft
> REDLINE: 6500rpm
> VALVE GEAR: Chain driven DOHC
> VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2
> VEHICLE: RWD Carina, Celica, Corona 1982-1985 
(top-of-the-line models, Japan only?)
> COMMENTS: Twin spark plugs/cyclinder, etc......

Can't get under 10L/100km (over 25mpg), average 
12.4L/100km (20mpg), on ice track 17L/100km (15mpg).

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Matti Kalalahti		k124476@cs.tut.fi		k124476@ee.tut.fi

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 09:01:22 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: New members (Long!)

Sorry I've really been letting the admin stuff slip a bit.  Tom and I
have worked out a new system, and hopefully I'll be able to keep up a
bit better.  If I've already introduced any of these folks before,
forgive me.  Also, if I've added someone and negelected to send out your
me/mine/mods info, let me know and I'll try to correct that.

Bunch of new folks here, so take time to read it and respond as
appropriate.

Name     :  Lorne Silkes
Location :  Sharon, MA  and St. Louis, MO
Model    :  1988 Supra Turbo
Engine   :  3.0 liter six turbo (not sure of model, cars home now)
Mods     :  non yet hopefully soon to be a modified suspension, higher
	    boost, etc.
email    :  lrs1@cec.wustl.edu

Name     : Craig Pugsley
Location : Melbourne, Australia.
Model    : No Toyota at the moment
	   (Currently Mazda 'R100' - want something newer)
	   (Considering Sprinter (= Corolla GT-S??) or Celica)
Engine   : Keen interest in what engines fit into what
	   (EG 3TGTEU/4AGE/4AGZE into above), and other high power
	   mods.
Mods     : -
email    : pugsley@trl.oz.au

Well, You might be wondering why I'd be on this list. Admittedly I don't
have a Toyota per se, but I'm looking at getting a 'newer' car and am
keen on a Toyota Sprinter (I *Think* that's a Corolla GT-S, in
US-terms.
Can anyone clarify this for me? I'm not sure what engine these have here
in stock form, but it's a rear wheel drive 1.6 litre (Maybe a 2T?).

The 'Spinter' has normal, fixed headlights (as opposed to pop up ones),
but I think the later model Corolla GT-S has a Celica front on it. Is
this right? Are these cars rare in the US? (That front would look pretty
trick on a local model). There is a local magazine called Fast Fours and
Rotaries, it is devoted to the small car scene (Which is getting pretty
big here, due to the fairly low cost of suitable cars and engines). It
has some interesting stuff in it. Lots of 3TGTEU conversions to early
Celicas and the like. There has been a few Levin Corollas, An early
Supra with a 7MGTE etc etc.

Name     : Jeff Burney
Location : Burke, VA
Model    : 1986 MR-2
Engine   : 4AGE
Mods     : 
email    : jburney@nodc.noaa.gov

Mods:

1. put k&n filter in.
	- sounds better.  maybe better throttle response. maybe not.
2. change suspension - struts and springs
	- excellent.  but now my tires suck. car had cheesy tires when
	  I bought it.
3. trace hissing noise in engine to cracked exhaust manifold.  number 4
   cyclinder tube almost completely cracked off.  Bought TRD header.
	- sounds better. no real noticeable improvement in bottom end
	  but seems better above 4k rpm.  engine feels less resticted.
	  revs faster?
	- payed to have this done.  after removing the heat shield
	  from the stock header (to get to the crack) i decided there
	  was no way I was going to try this without a lift and/or
	  garage.
4. richened mixture at mass air sensor. (simple to do)
	- more bunch at 4k rpm
5. bought sway bars and urethane bushings.
	- awesome.  I can't believe the difference.  Now my tires
	  really suck.
	- easy installation
6. buy Pirelli P500
	- big mistake.  terrible.  the car is _WAY_ beyond these.
	  i'm sliding through turns
7. front strut tower brace
	- no noticeable improvement on the street.  i never took
	  it out on the track before i did this mod so i don't
	  know if it really did anything.  if you have t-tops
	  you already have this brace.
	- bolted right on
8. front strut rod bushings
	- i honestly cant remember if they did anything or not
	- easy installation
9. steel brake lines
	- i've had good luck with these on motorcycles but they
	  didn't seem to have the same effect on the car.  there
	  was definitely more pedal feel but that's about it.
	- easy installation
10. clutch & pressure plate
	- this was a bit of a fiasco.  i didn't really need a clutch
	  but i wanted to install a light weight flywheel.
	  unfortunately, TRD sent the wrong clutch/flywheel combination
	  and because i was borrowing a friends garage, we had to
	  finish that night so i just installed the clutch and pressure
	  plate :-(  the flywheel was supposed to make it rev
	  much faster.
11. '88 mr2 supercharged muffler.
	- TRD recommeded this saying i would get about the same hp (3)
	  as a HKS system but for less than 1/2 the price.
	- had to get the muffler flange holes slotted to fit the
	  stock cat.

I plan to eventually rebuilt the engine with a stroker kit and also
put the lightweight flywheel on.

 Hi there, my name is Brian Simmers. I have a 1983 Toyota Celica.
 22-RE FI engine. I have begun a quest for more power! My knowledge of
 engine and other mods is limited to stereos. I am interested in
 listening to what you have to say as I can't get the answers I want
 from the regular toyota list. I am interested in lowered springs,
 better sway bars, Borla or other exhausts and new engines like the
 18RG and how can I best get one.
 Thanks!

 Brian Simmers

Name     : Darin Hamilton
Location : Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Model    : 1986 Toyota MR2 (all options except optional spoiler package)
Engine   : 1600cc 16-valve DOHC
Mods     : none (yet) -- I am looking for a place to _start_ within
budget
E-mail   : drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca

The modifications I have done to the car to date are strictly
appearance-wise.  I have repainted it, including 90% of all exterior
moudlings (it was silver and it is now '93 4Runner Maritime blue
metallic).
I replaced the wheels (now 15" with 195/50's).  I have tinted the
windows and installed a decent Alpine stereo system.

I plan to lower it approx. 1.5", and will install the optional spoiler
package eventually.

I am looking for ways to make it as fast as it _looks_.

Exhaust mods are due in spring, and suggestions on other
power-increasing
tips are what I am seeking.

Dan Ghidali, Raleigh, NC
I own an '85 MR2 and a '87 Supra Turbo..
Mister Two has:
4AGE engine, ANSA dual exhaust, ported and polished head/intake manifold,
Paeco cams/valvesprings, Jacobs computer ignition computer/ wires,TRD
bushing kit/shocks/springs, 15x7 alloys with 195-50ZR15 Yokohama A008's.
Will corner at 1.02G and 0-60 in 6.8s (most power is on top-end)
Supra has:
7MGTE engine, Trust exhaust, thats it so far...:(

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 12:39:43 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: RWD 3SG conversions.....

FYI,
 I spoke to someone at Kennedy adapters early last week, and they do have
an adapter plate for the 3SG, however it is to connect the engine to a vw,
or a porsche gear box (I get the impression they are VW/porsche people)
however they do custom stuff. The price they quoted was US $420.00 which
includes a flywheel, bolts and adapter plate.
 In any event, I know of someone in Barbados who is preparing a RWD starlet
with a 3SGE engine, while I'm not sure what they are using for a gear box,
the parts were sourced from either TRD, or select sales in Miami. The
estimated power output is 280+ BHP, at around 10,000 RPM. The crankshaft
was replaced with a steel one, the rods are carillo, and the pistons
cosworth. The cams have 320 degrees of duration with 11mm of lift, and they
are using dual webber 50 sidedraft carbs, and an electromotive ignition.
(Suspension is equally as impressive -- anyone care to explain what
"pan-hand/hard rods are?" Chris? (Of course this is a full race car, but
with not so agressive cams and   milder carbs, it could be totally
streetable)

 I saw a book recently (I walk past a Bookstore called "The Worlds Biggest
Bookstore" to/from work every day) that was entitled "MR2", and it featured
a complete history of the MK1 MR2, including the reason toyota choose to go
supercharged vs turbo. Apparently Toyota did evaluate a Turbo 4AGE, but the
low end response was unsastifactory for a production car. Next they tried
the 3SGE, but "The engine leans over to much on its crank axis to fit in
the compact engine bay of the MR2". This book is also the third source I
have come across which has indicated, that the supercharger on the 4AGZ
(which spins at 1.25 times engine speed) causes the engine to sound like a
large vacumn cleaner when at "full tilt" (Hope I don't offend 4AGZ owners),
they claim that the engine looses the "magic note" of the naturally
aspirated one (4AGZ does not use TVIS system).

  Does anyone care about engine note?

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Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 14:07:24 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Another new member

No, we haven't had a huge, sudden growth spurt.  Its just that now that
I sent out all of those tardy introductions this morning, I want to stay
"caught up" on things.  Anyway, welcome James....

>>>>>James Treleaven<<<<<

Name:           James Treleaven
Location:       Ottawa, Ontario   Canada
Model:          MR2 Turbo '93  (prospective)
Mods:           Modified exhaust  (prospective)

I intend to buy a MR2 turbo, and I am interested in what kind
of extra performance I could squeeze out of it.  I wouldnt post
anything relating to the aquisition of the car, but only relating
to performance modifications I could make to it.

>>>>><<<<<

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 05:32:42 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: wHELP for Brian and his Celica

Subject: Was Doors Blown Off ;)
 
>Subject: New members (Long!)
 
> Hi there, my name is Brian Simmers.
 
Hi Brian... Welcome.... BTW Where in the World are ya ? Cali ?
 
>I have a 1983 Toyota Celica.
 
Good choice... is it a ST GT ? Supra Celica ? Wide rims ? Flair Kit ?
 
> 22-RE FI engine.
 
The 22R basically is a good motor. Good HP and RPM bands...good torque and
good over all performance. Reliable performance is what that motor is.
 
>I have begun a quest for more power!
 
Ha ha ha ... How Serious do you wanna get ? Define "more power!"
 
>My knowledge of  engine and other mods is limited to stereos.
 
High amp alternator ?
 
>I am interested in listening to what you have to say as I can't get
>the answers I want from the regular toyota list.
 
So Brian... you the one huh ;)
 
>I am interested in lowered springs, better sway bars, Borla or other exhausts
 
Lowered springs should cost you about $250 for the set for your car I belive.
not sure on current pricings.
 
>and new engines like the 18RG and how can I best get one.
 
Hmmmm new engines... the 18RG is actually a 20 year old engine ;)
Try a inporter of Japan engines or Canada or some other place besides the US
 
> Thanks!
 
I'm sure someone else will jump on this =)
 
> Brian Simmers
 
Alohers... 

- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 10:33:57 EST
From: fergusos@jeff-lab.QueensU.CA (Stephen Ferguson)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: random Corolla musings

Two ideas.  First one is borderline cosmetic/performance:

My Corolla GT-S has pop-up headlights.  Some schmuck sat on one a while
ago and sheared the pivot pin.  I replaced it with a bolt, but have been
thinking since then that pop-ups look really stupid and are a pain in the
ass in winter.  I'm thinking of fabricating a replacement along the lines
of the Porsche 944 Carerra (European) with fixed lights behind clear
covers.  Does anyone knoe where I could get suitable low-profile lamps
to do this?  Perhaps projectors?  Does PIAA make a hi/lo and high beam
projector lamp?

Now for the crazy thought (bordering on sacrilege):

i was reading about the Monster Miata (Ford 302 in a Miata - supercharger
optional) and I started wondering if a V-8 would fit in the Corolla.
I imagine it would take the balance away from the handling with all that
weight up front, but it would be kind of fun to have all that torque.

sjf

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 05:38:54 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Lorne's Supra Query
 
>Name     :  Lorne Silkes
>Location :  Sharon, MA  and St. Louis, MO
>Model    :  1988 Supra Turbo
>Engine   :  3.0 liter six turbo (not sure of model, cars home now)
>Mods     :  non yet hopefully soon to be a modified suspension, higher
>            boost, etc.
>email    :  lrs1@cec.wustl.edu
 
Welcome Lorne... another refernece is the Supra Mailing list ya might
wanna check into... (I dunno why WHY I keep on telling people that
cause I havent' checked it out... maybe I will hmmm....)
 
Basic things for your car. Get a Boost gauge for your car a good one
that is accurate.. a Turbo Timer or such is also a good investment as also
a K&N filter.
 
If ya want better "handling" like the "sport" on your Supra and you drive
with it on sport a lot then perhaps stiffer "shocks" would help.
Body roll is controlled by springs and sway opps anti-roll control bars.
 
The Supra Turbo has many many wonderful things ya can do to it...
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam
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|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 06:00:26 HST
From: Allen T "Koji" Kam  
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Query Aaron Late Reply ?!?!?!
 
>From abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Mon Feb  7 16:44:25 1994
Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine...
To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu. (Allen T "Koji" Kam)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:43:24 -0500 (EST)
 
Wow... Aaron... I just got this mail... boggle this one ha ha ha
 
>   Don't go away, Koji!  I've got a gleam in my eye and I'm itching
>to yank the tail on my white beast... unfortunately I've got sort of
>severe cash flow problems at the moment, so I'm going to have to wait
>a couple months before I can buy any more toys.
 
Actually Aaron I am no expert on the Supra turbo just what works on
Pats turbo Supra. I've been "chatting" with him and taking notes on what
plugs and timing and boost to run etc. I know his car can be duplicated
with a 20k TOTAL investment he keeps on telling us. So I'm just documenting
this down. I'll post my findings or what i plagerized to the list sometime
within the end of the month. Trying to sort through all the useless infomation
and such.
 
I'm expecting a drastic improvement in my employment situation in
that time frame, one >way or the other, and then I'm going to beg your
help in at least getting to the embarass-Corvettes-new RX7's-3000GTs
level. >:)
 
Actually the only ones ya have to worry about are the RX-7 R1's all else
are kinna trivial details that you should have little or no problems with.
Any Rotary with a Turbo is trouble.
 
>   Also, I just noticed that the air intake path on the 87-92 Supra
>Turbos routes the post-intercooler air right over the darn turbo
>housing.
 
Ya.... thats a flaw so to speak. Actually doing that "wrapping" has no ill
effects and only bonus's. A lot of guys wrap their pipes and I don't think
it has any determental ill effects on it. Also some other intercooler pipes
of the aftermarket types "solve" this problem sorta....
 
>They route the air through 8 feet of ducting to get to the
>intercooler and back, then cook it again right above the turbo just
>before it enters the block... sheesh.
 
Actually its a "design" flaw however like stated above if ya gonna get
semi serious about turbo power ya change the intercooler anyway -shrug-
I guess....
 
>I then remembered that that 12-second Supra had wrapped the
>post-intercooler air ducting with some kind of thermal wrap.
>Anyone have any suggestions for what I should use for similar effect?
 
Could also thermo-cool coat your pipes if you wanted to. That would work.
 
>I'd prefer to spend $50 or less, and settle for 80% instead of spending
>$100+ for NASA materials and getting the extra 20% for 100% efficiency.
 
Not sure about that NASA stuff... who makes it besides NASA or distrbuits it ?
 
>Aaron
 
- Allen T "Koji" Kam

P.S. Anyone on the Supra Mailing list ? Whats the Address ?

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|          Taste Death...                       koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com |
|               Speed is Pure !!!!!                                           |
| Don't let up till you see RED !!       1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe |
| Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires |
|         V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!!          |
|  How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price....  |
|  Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned...                               |
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 09:35:00 -0700 (MST)
From: Darin Ray Hamilton 
Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica
To: Allen T Koji Kam 
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Allen T Koji Kam wrote:

> Hmmmm new engines... the 18RG is actually a 20 year old engine ;)
> Try a inporter of Japan engines or Canada or some other place besides the US

I live up here in the Great White North, and I have yet to find a shop 
that will replace my 4AGE in my '86 MR2 with anything other than a 4AG-EZ 
(from the '88-89 Superchanged MR2, right?).

Is there a larger displacement engine that will properly mount in my 
engine bay?
Is there a Canadian importer that you know of that can get early-model 
MR2 engines from Japan?

If I had the $$$, I'd go with dual side-draft Weber carbs on my existing 
block, along with a bigger stroke crank-and-pistons kit to bump up to 
1.8L (approx)...
But I'm not sinking Can$5000 into a car worth Can$7000.

Any comments?

...Darin
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 15:08:29 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica

Darin,

>I live up here in the Great White North, and I have yet to find a shop
>that will replace my 4AGE in my '86 MR2 with anything other than a 4AG-EZ
>(from the '88-89 Superchanged MR2, right?).
>
>Is there a larger displacement engine that will properly mount in my
>engine bay?

You can get enough power out of the 4AGE to keep you happy for a while. ,
You should be able to turn your naturally aspirated 16 into a 14.X second
1/4 miler within a reasonable budget.

>Is there a Canadian importer that you know of that can get early-model
>MR2 engines from Japan?

There are many computerised junk yards in Toronto/southern Ontario, where
you can find stuff like this, however its not as though they have a stack
of engines sitting in a corner. You periodically have to make checks (just
phone, and they can check their database).. (The way  this winter has
turned out --record auto insurance claims,.. Come springtime the junk yards
will be overflowing with people looking for bargains (last spring you had
to line up for the $35 entry fee/take all you want "sales"). There is also
a place called Japan Auto imports in Toronto, and they do import the more
popular engines.

>If I had the $$$, I'd go with dual side-draft Weber carbs on my existing
>block, along with a bigger stroke crank-and-pistons kit to bump up to
>1.8L (approx)...
>But I'm not sinking Can$5000 into a car worth Can$7000.
>
>Any comments?
>

Stroker kits are ok, but probably not worth what TRD/HKS charge for them.
These things are ideally suited to low end response. Recall that short
stroke engines rev higher, and quicker than their long stroke counterparts.

No need to take the plunge all at once!
A Good chronological order would be:

intake/exhaust system

Engine (carbs/manifold,fuel pump)
However, since you have an EFI system in place, you might want to discard
the stock toyota stuff! and go with an aftermarket company such as
electromotive/haltech etc.. who can supply an engine management system you
can program to suit your needs. The toyota formula atlantic engines (same
base as your 1.6) switched to EFI (from carbs) this year, and the overall
performance has improved (supposedly 50 BHP more horsepower at 5000 RPM
than last years carb. setup). From a maintenance point of view, an EFI
setup could save you $ in the long run.

ignition (coil/spark box)

head (cams,cam gears)

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 15:39:25 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: random Corolla musings

I'm not sure if chris put it on the Mosaic server, but I sent him a picture
of a european spec corolla GTS without the popup headlights.. Check there
for an option..

>Two ideas.  First one is borderline cosmetic/performance:
>
>My Corolla GT-S has pop-up headlights.  Some schmuck sat on one a while
>ago and sheared the pivot pin.  I replaced it with a bolt, but have been
>thinking since then that pop-ups look really stupid and are a pain in the
>ass in winter.  I'm thinking of fabricating a replacement along the lines
>of the Porsche 944 Carerra (European) with fixed lights behind clear
>covers.  Does anyone knoe where I could get suitable low-profile lamps
>to do this?  Perhaps projectors?  Does PIAA make a hi/lo and high beam
>projector lamp?
>

Depending on how bad you wanted to be different, you could import the body
panels/lights for one of these European corollas, and have a Body shop sort
it out for you.

>Now for the crazy thought (bordering on sacrilege):
>
>i was reading about the Monster Miata (Ford 302 in a Miata - supercharger
>optional) and I started wondering if a V-8 would fit in the Corolla.
>I imagine it would take the balance away from the handling with all that
>weight up front, but it would be kind of fun to have all that torque.
>

next I suppose you'll be singing ;-)

"Have you driven a Toyota Lately"

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Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:36:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Darin Ray Hamilton 
Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica
To: Roger Smith 
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Roger Smith wrote:

> You can get enough power out of the 4AGE to keep you happy for a while. ,
> You should be able to turn your naturally aspirated 16 into a 14.X second
> 1/4 miler within a reasonable budget.
> 
> There are many computerised junk yards in Toronto/southern Ontario, where
> you can find stuff like this, however its not as though they have a stack
> of engines sitting in a corner. You periodically have to make checks (just
> phone, and they can check their database).. (The way  this winter has
> turned out --record auto insurance claims,.. Come springtime the junk yards
> will be overflowing with people looking for bargains (last spring you had
> to line up for the $35 entry fee/take all you want "sales"). There is also
> a place called Japan Auto imports in Toronto, and they do import the more
> popular engines.

I'm in Calgary, Alberta:  well over 1000 miles from Toronto.
Does anyone know of a place-for-parts in Calgary, Edmonton, or 
Vancouver/Victoria?

> No need to take the plunge all at once!
> A Good chronological order would be:
> 
> intake/exhaust system

Already planned for spring.  I don't know what to do to the intake, but 
I'm going to run a straight pipe to a high-performance muffler (maybe a 
SuperTrapp) and disable the EGR (any ideas on this?).

(note:  there are no emmisions laws in Alberta)

> Engine (carbs/manifold,fuel pump)
> However, since you have an EFI system in place, you might want to discard
> the stock toyota stuff! and go with an aftermarket company such as
> electromotive/haltech etc.. who can supply an engine management system you
> can program to suit your needs. The toyota formula atlantic engines (same
> base as your 1.6) switched to EFI (from carbs) this year, and the overall
> performance has improved (supposedly 50 BHP more horsepower at 5000 RPM
> than last years carb. setup). From a maintenance point of view, an EFI
> setup could save you $ in the long run.

I'm assuming you think a whole new EFI system is better than simply 
boring out the stock injectors.  How much (US$ or Can$) would the system 
you suggest cost?  How would I modify my intake to accomodate it?  How 
much power gain can I _realistically_ expect, after the exhaust is done 
and the intake modified?

(note: I want a bit more low-end, but I _love_ to rev!)

> ignition (coil/spark box)
> 
> head (cams,cam gears)

I'll probably leave these.  I'm only keeping the car for 3 years _max_, 
but I still wanna have fun NOW! :)

...Darin
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From: Brian Simmers 
Subject: More info on Brian
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:12:40 -0800 (PST)

This will help fill in some of the blanks

Name : Brian Simmers
Location : Simon Fraser University, B.C., Canada
Car: 83 Celica GT- wide mags, wheel flares and IRS
Engine : 22-RE
Mods : Alpine/pioneer system, new paint and tinted windows

What I would like to have:

Within the next two months I want to lower my car about 1.5 
inches. I find the stock handling crappy. The car bounces 
around at high speeds. I have also considered sway bars.
Engine and exhaust can wait, I want to concentate on handling.

What I need:

Sources? (TRD?)
How hard is it to find a set of lowered springs for a Celica.
Will just springs cut it or do other things need to be modified.
I am open to any other suggestions for my car!

Thanks, 
      Brian

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 18:38:31 CST
From: J Grant Montgomery 
To: 
Subject: Re: Query Aaron - Supra list Address

>
>>Aaron
>
>- Allen T "Koji" Kam
>
>P.S. Anyone on the Supra Mailing list ? Whats the Address ?
>
     I think I can help you guys out on that one.  I'm on it - well not
physically (Ha! :), but here is the address you wanted:

     supras-request@vicor.com and if that does not work try:

     supras@vicor.com.

Grant

UT BAD1  /  '85 Toyota Celica Supra  5-Speed & Alpine CD

       /  WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

     /  Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!!

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 09:21:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Darin Ray Hamilton 
Subject: Re: Query Aaron - Supra list Address
To: J Grant Montgomery 
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, J Grant Montgomery wrote:

> >
> >>Aaron
> >
> >- Allen T "Koji" Kam
> >
> >P.S. Anyone on the Supra Mailing list ? Whats the Address ?
> >
>      I think I can help you guys out on that one.  I'm on it - well not
> physically (Ha! :), but here is the address you wanted:
> 
>      supras-request@vicor.com and if that does not work try:
> 
>      supras@vicor.com.
> 
> Grant
> 
> UT BAD1  /  '85 Toyota Celica Supra  5-Speed & Alpine CD
> 
>        /  WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
> 
>      /  Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!!
> 

Is there also an MR2 mailing list somewhere?

...Darin
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:42:11 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica

>I'm in Calgary, Alberta:  well over 1000 miles from Toronto.
>Does anyone know of a place-for-parts in Calgary, Edmonton, or
>Vancouver/Victoria?
>

Look in the yellow pages for auto wreckers.. You may see one that caters
for "Late model imports"

>> intake/exhaust system
>
>Already planned for spring.  I don't know what to do to the intake, but
>I'm going to run a straight pipe to a high-performance muffler (maybe a
>SuperTrapp) and disable the EGR (any ideas on this?).
>

Fred's post on this:
==============================================================================
>Here comes fredo's $0.02 (burp):
>
>What I did (had done, actually) on my 88 'rolla GTS (FWD) is as follows:
>- delete the entire convoluted nasty airbox
>- make or have made an adaptor which bolts onto the airflow meter (AFM)
>and converts this square hole to a round pipe about 2" in diameter
>- get a K&N airfilter which is essentially a cylinder with one end plugged
>and held onto a ~2" pipe (haha!) by a large hose clamp
>
>The adaptor is really easy to make with a hacksaw, vice for squeezing the
>round pipe square at one end and a welder. Presto! An HKS power-flow filter!
>
>As I said, I had this done AND LOVED THE RESULTS! The best free-flow you'll
>ever find (with a filter in place).
>
>(you will of course also need some 1" wide strip of metal to bolt the AFM to
>to hold the whole works up so the filter doesn't rub on anything.)
>
>My total bill cam to about $100 CAN ($50 for the filter and 1 hour labour)
>which
>I feel was quite reasonable considering I have no patience for metalworking!
==============================================================================
>
>> Engine (carbs/manifold,fuel pump)
>
>I'm assuming you think a whole new EFI system is better than simply
>boring out the stock injectors.  How much (US$ or Can$) would the system
>you suggest cost?  How would I modify my intake to accomodate it?  How
>much power gain can I _realistically_ expect, after the exhaust is done
>and the intake modified?
>

The cost of switching your car to carbs, would be close to the cost of
buying an electromotive system (Electromotive TEC-1 was US $9xx when last I
checked) If you are not planning on adding cams, then you probably don't
need the flexibility of the aftermarket EFI. The stock toyota ECU, is
supposed to be able to handle up to 145 BHP without trouble. Output is hard
to guestimate, figure on a 15-20% increase.

At low RPM the ECU uses feedback to regulate air/fuel mixture, at higher
RPM's it uses an engine map. Simply adding bigger injectors without
anything else will not be a bonus.

>(note: I want a bit more low-end, but I _love_ to rev!)

>> ignition (coil/spark box)
>> head (cams,cam gears)
>
>I'll probably leave these.  I'm only keeping the car for 3 years _max_,
>but I still wanna have fun NOW! :)
>

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 14:15:44 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Coils and stuff

Things were getting a little quiet 'round here...

If you remember back to my last race I mentioned that the car was
running pathetically (even though I won) and I thought I might be
getting fouled plugs from an over-rich mixture.  Steve at AEM told me
that if anything my jetting sounded overly lean, and that the black
plugs were probably coming from a weak spark.  Anyway, I switched to a
cooler heat range plug and got a BIG coil.

(BTW, based on an article kindly provided by Roger, a good rule of thumb
for initial carb jetting is 4xchoke-plate-size on the mains and 5x on
the air correctors.  In other words, with my dual 38, I can use 4x38=152
mains and 5x38=190 airs as a guideline.  I am running 135 mains and 185
airs, so I am indeed on the lean side a bit.)

The stock NGK plug for the 2xR is the BP(R, optional)5EA, the 5 being
the heat range.  In NGK's, they go hotter to cooler on the smaller to
larger numbers (note that most plugs are hotter as the number gets
bigger.)  Anyway, NGK doesn't make a 6 or 7 in the EA, so I got a
BPR7ES, which is what Nissan runs (amoung other applications.)  Now,
evidently it is common amoung racers to run a bit cooler plug than
stock, but doesn't it seem like if I'm not getting good fuel burn I'd
want to go with a _hotter_ plug?  Maybe its a plug/coil combo thing.
Comments?

On the coil, I dropped $50 on one of those Accel Super Coils.  Anybody
used these?  The instructions call for installing the coil in place of
the stock coil, plus adding this in line resistor to the "+" lead,
except for a few applications.  Anybody ever added one of these?  Also,
I left the ignitor in the circuit.  Should I have cut that out with the
stock coil?

Back to the spark plugs, I decided to over-gap them and see how they
do.  I have them set at .049 right now, and I'll see how they do in the
hot laps.  Any comments on plug gapping?

Finally, with the new, clean spark plugs and new coil in, I ran the
engine a bit to warm it up prior to adjusting the valves.  I pulled the
plugs again, and noted that while 3 and 4 were already a tad dirty, 1
and 2 were clean.  Sounds to me like either bad wires/connections to the
3 and 4 plugs, or a strange flow problem.  Remember that I have the
synchronous 38mm carb, which opens both plates simultaneously
(mechanically).  Both plates open facing each other, so its not like the
plates are setup such that the fuel/air mix is being dumped towards the
back of the engine or the front.

Other than that, I got my roll bar back in from the old car (except for
the door bars, they'll have to wait) and the driving seat.  My driving
seat kinna sux, but it does sit me a good 3-4 inches lower and probably
5 inches closer to the back, which is very good.  Hopefully I'll be
springing for a nice $200 Butler-Built seat in the near future.
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      {_^____^_}                    (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com)
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	  ___                             Melbourne, Florida
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 12:38:13 -0700
From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE>Coils and stuff

Chris wrote:

>On the coil, I dropped $50 on one of those Accel Super Coils.  
>Anybody used these?  The instructions call for installing the coil 
>in place of the stock coil, plus adding this in line resistor to 
>the "+" lead, except for a few applications.  Anybody ever added one 
>of these?  Also, I left the ignitor in the circuit.  Should I have 
>cut that out with the stock coil?

I've got one of those Accel coils in my car, complete with the ballast
resistor.  The purpose for this is to limit current through the points
in my case (72 Pontiac LeMans) by adding series resistance with the
coil.  I think the primary resistance on the Accel is lower than a stock
coil.  Some Chrysler products came from the factory with a ballast
resistor, and may not need an additional one.  

The igniter seems to be a power transistor of some type, and I am not
sure exactly what it does.  Probably amplifies the current from the spark
trigger in the distributor so the coil primary gets more current.  The 
trigger mechanism may not be able to supply enough power to the coil to 
produce good spark. Anyone know if the igniter is only present with 
electronic ignition systems?  If this is the case, yes you do need the 
igniter connected. 

(Have to study the schematic in the manual to see what it looks like).

Jim Chott

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 14:46:53 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: RE>Coils and stuff

> The igniter seems to be a power transistor of some type, and I am not
> sure exactly what it does.  Probably amplifies the current from the spark
> trigger in the distributor so the coil primary gets more current.  The
> trigger mechanism may not be able to supply enough power to the coil to
> produce good spark. Anyone know if the igniter is only present with
> electronic ignition systems?  If this is the case, yes you do need the
> igniter connected.

One interesting point I forgot to mention is that the ignitor _must_ be
grounded for the ignition to work.  Even if you pull the stock coil and
leave the ignitor in, you'd better bolt that baby to something metal.

Speaking of which, if you wanted to _really_ screw somebody up without
actually damaging their car, just put a couple of plastic grommets in
where the ignitor bolts to the coil holder.  They'd never find that, and
the car would never run until they did.  (Ok, now you know what a
devious mind I have.)

Chris

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 13:07:56 -0800
From: Joe Woodsprite 
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE: Coils and stuff

Just a thought....  Has anyone who has installed a Super Coil noticed any increase 
in  engine noise leaking through into the stereo system?

Go directly to Jail, Do not pass GO, Do not collect $200,
Woodsprite

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**                      *  1983 Celica ST  *        Joe Woodsprite          ***
**  Looking for Julie,  *                  *     Unsafe at any speed        ***
**    Whereever I go.   *  I don't drive   *                                ***
**        ---           *       fast.      *   lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu   ***
**   I'll do what it    *    I fly low.    *   lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu   ***
**  takes to find her.  *                  *                                ***
**                      *  72 Honda CB350  *                                ***
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From: Gary H 
To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: RE>Coils and stuff
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 13:08:35 PST

>Speaking of which, if you wanted to _really_ screw somebody up without
>actually damaging their car, just put a couple of plastic grommets in
>where the ignitor bolts to the coil holder.  They'd never find that, and
>the car would never run until they did.  (Ok, now you know what a
>devious mind I have.)
>
>Chris

HAHAHA! I don't know about you Chris :).  I can see them looking at a
perfectly installed ignitor and never noticing the grommets as being
the culprit (and its probably literally under their nose).

Gary

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 17:58:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Darin Ray Hamilton 
Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica
To: Roger Smith 
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Roger Smith wrote:
> 
> The cost of switching your car to carbs, would be close to the cost of
> buying an electromotive system (Electromotive TEC-1 was US $9xx when last I
> checked) If you are not planning on adding cams, then you probably don't
> need the flexibility of the aftermarket EFI. The stock toyota ECU, is
> supposed to be able to handle up to 145 BHP without trouble. Output is hard
> to guestimate, figure on a 15-20% increase.
> 
> At low RPM the ECU uses feedback to regulate air/fuel mixture, at higher
> RPM's it uses an engine map. Simply adding bigger injectors without
> anything else will not be a bonus.
> 

I'm not sure I understand your suggestion.
You said I could expect 15-20% increase in bhp.
Is that _with_ or _without_ an aftermarket EFI system?
If it's without, how do I get more power?

...Darin
                         (. )(. )
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| 4th year MIS (BComm)                   |
| University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA |
| e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca       |
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 08:31:16 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Bad Bat'rie

Well, I made all of those coil and plug mods, started the car fine,
blah-blah-blah, then I pulled the battery out to weld the racing seat
mount in.  (Remember that my battery is behind the driver's seat.)
Anyway I get the seat in, get the battery back in, go to start it and
nothing but a poing and all the lights going off when I put the key in
the start position.

OK, must be a dead battery, right?  Put the charger on (noticing that
its not pulling many amps at first, but not thinking much about it) and
charge it up a while.  Try to start it.  Poing.  Ok, _very_ simple
system here, must be the starter.  Get a new starter out of the parts
pile in the garage, put it on, poing.  Hmmm, must be bad connections.
Tighten everything, poing.

Now I'm getting a bit pissed.  Pull up the mighty Oldsmobile and try to
jump start 'er.  Poing.  Get the starter/charger, set 'er on 125 amps
let it boil a second.  Sparks from the battery area and poing.  Finally,
get the battery out of the Mazda-rati.  Drop 'er in.  Vrrooommm.
Whatcha think, battery shorted or something?  I know this isn't really
too much mods stuff, but maybe my mods killed my battery?  I hope not,
cause I only idled with it for about 10 minutes or so, and didn't even
drive it with the new coil/plugs before it died.  Probably coincidence.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 09:12:38 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: 4AGE mods

>
>I'm not sure I understand your suggestion.
>You said I could expect 15-20% increase in bhp.
>Is that _with_ or _without_ an aftermarket EFI system?
>If it's without, how do I get more power?
>

You can get up to 10% more power just from exhaust/intake modifications.
After  that, different cams, will add up the rest (note, It is not a linear
addition scale however). You can use some of TRD's cams with the stock EFI
system. The aftermarket EFI, is only if you want to go over 150 BHP.

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 09:32:07 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Address for Paeco (Q)

Maybe Dan Ghidali could answer this. (Chris you forgot to give his
addresss) Can someone supply a number for Paeco?

I along with mechanic friend pulled the gear box out of my car last night
to replace a "popped" rear main seal --supposedly caused by excessive crank
case pressure (more on this later) anyhow, I am searching for a lightweight
flywheel for my 4AGE, and understand that Paeco has stuff like this for
most Toyotas.

Anyone want to comment on the prospect of having a machine shop shave a
couple of pounds of my stock flywheel --Stock is ~25 lbs, aftermarket stuff
is ~10lbs (of course I'll make sure they balance it once finished)

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 09:55:32 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: Address for Paeco (Q)

My thanks to Jeff Burney.....

>PAECO Import Parts
>2400 Mountain Drive
>Birmingham, AL  35226
>(800) 326-6401 - Orders
>(205) 823-7278 - Technical Info

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Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:22:58 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Address for Paeco (Q)

> Anyone want to comment on the prospect of having a machine shop shave a
> couple of pounds of my stock flywheel --Stock is ~25 lbs, aftermarket stuff
> is ~10lbs (of course I'll make sure they balance it once finished)

Cutting a few pounds off your flywheel is a very common practice amoung
budget racers.  The point is not to do too much.  How much is too much?
Well, if your flywheel explodes one day on the track, that was too
much.  Other than that, it is a balance between how much common sense
you have and how big your cajones are.  I wouldn't try to achieve 10 lbs
with a stock flywheel.

BTW, exploding flywheels can cause extensive engine/gearbox damage.  I
kinda think I'm gonna wait until I can afford an aftermarket flywheel
myself, but I have plenty of friends who successfully run shaved stock
flywheels.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:23:31 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: Address for Paeco (Q)

>
>Cutting a few pounds off your flywheel is a very common practice amoung
>budget racers.  The point is not to do too much.  How much is too much?
>Well, if your flywheel explodes one day on the track, that was too
>much.  Other than that, it is a balance between how much common sense
>you have and how big your cajones are.  I wouldn't try to achieve 10 lbs
>with a stock flywheel.
>
>BTW, exploding flywheels can cause extensive engine/gearbox damage.  I
>kinda think I'm gonna wait until I can afford an aftermarket flywheel
>myself, but I have plenty of friends who successfully run shaved stock
>flywheels.
>

At least my engine isn't transversly mounted, so that If the flywheel
should really come loose, it will go out one side of the engine.. I heard
of a case where a guy with a mini had the flywheel land in his lap. (He was
more shocked than injured) In reality I think the extra dollars for a
TRD/HKS etc... flywheel are worth the peace of mind... I also intend to put
the flywheel back on with the bigger bolts which TRD recommends...

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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From: jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Lightened Flywheel
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:51:35 EST

> >kinda think I'm gonna wait until I can afford an aftermarket flywheel
> >myself, but I have plenty of friends who successfully run shaved stock
> >flywheels.

I forgot what kind of car this is but in case it's a non-1985 MR2 MkI,
you'll need to put a clutch from a 1985 MR2 in with the HKS
flywheel.  And make sure you check the fit before you disassemble
the car.  I didn't check it before tearing apart my '86 and
ended up having to send back the flywheel to TRD. :-(

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 12:10:25 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: Lightened Flywheel

>I forgot what kind of car this is but in case it's a non-1985 MR2 MkI,
>you'll need to put a clutch from a 1985 MR2 in with the HKS
>flywheel.  And make sure you check the fit before you disassemble
>the car.  I didn't check it before tearing apart my '86 and
>ended up having to send back the flywheel to TRD. :-(

My set up, is a RWD 4AGE<->corolla gts gear box. I called Paeco, and they
want __$390__ for their alloy flywheels.... cough, cough.. (Race is 6lbs,
street is 9.5 lbs..) As this is more than I want to spend, I may go for the
TRD flywheel which is cheaper. The 4 paddle metallic clutch, I have in
mind, is not even from HKS/TRD, but I was told, that it works with the
stock pressure plate/flywheel.

I believe the situation, is more critical for the various MK-1
MR2's,FX-16's but I don't anticipate any problems with my setup...

BTW Paeco have free catalogs, ($5.00 if outside USA --chargable via credit
card), --I didn't order one.....

PS, my mechanic, doesn't think that my Starlet is heavy enough, or the
engine puts out enough torque to justify the cost of a metallic
clutch/heavy duty pressure plate, indeed the clutch I took out, still has
plenty of life in it. (It's probably about 3 years old, and has seen *much*
abuse in that period) comments?

--
Roger Smith                     | Research Computing Services,
Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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From: GRAHAM@cc1.unt.edu
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Date:          Fri, 25 Feb 1994 11:30:53 CST6CDT
Subject:       Re: Bad Bat'rie

>get the battery out of the Mazda-rati.  Drop 'er in.  Vrrooommm.
>Whatcha think, battery shorted or something?  I know this isn't really
>too much mods stuff, but maybe my mods killed my battery?  I hope not,
>cause I only idled with it for about 10 minutes or so, and didn't even
>drive it with the new coil/plugs before it died.  Probably coincidence.
>
>Chris

I once let a bad solenoid eat two batteries before I could trace the 
problem.  The constant, and LARGE, draw was overloading the battery.  

Are you saying that you car started and ran for 10 minutes with 
the battery from the Mazda, or was this with the original battery?  
If the Celica is doing fine on the battery from the Mazda, and is 
drawing about 14.5 volts, then it souunds like the problem can be 
isolated to the original battery...but then you probably already know 
that.

Anyways, it's surprising how frail some batteries are.  Even the 
slightest jar can sometimes knock a plate loose and cause a short.  
This is frequently the case when a car is involved in a fender bender 
and then won't start.  

You didn't drop that puppy did you?

mike

p.s.  Just curious, do you get to do any on-track testing?

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 13:56:57 EST
From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Bad Bat'rie

> Are you saying that you car started and ran for 10 minutes with
> the battery from the Mazda, or was this with the original battery?
> If the Celica is doing fine on the battery from the Mazda, and is
> drawing about 14.5 volts, then it souunds like the problem can be
> isolated to the original battery...but then you probably already know
> that.

After I did the mods, I put in the original battery and started the
car.  Later that battery wouldn't work and the one from the Mazda
started the car.
>
> Anyways, it's surprising how frail some batteries are.  Even the
> slightest jar can sometimes knock a plate loose and cause a short.
> This is frequently the case when a car is involved in a fender bender
> and then won't start.
>
> You didn't drop that puppy did you?

heh heh heh, well, I didn't drop it, but if you ever saw our races you'd
realize that anything inside the car during the race gets enough abuse.
There are off-road racers who get jarred less during their races.
Fender Bender?  I get a new fender bent every time I go onto the track!
Looking at a series of my race pictures makes the car look like it is
falling apart in place!  Every Saturday morning after a race I feel like
I layed on the track during the race.  Yeah, I suppose I coulda gotten
jarred a bit.

>
> mike
>
> p.s.  Just curious, do you get to do any on-track testing?

Well, kinda sorta.  The track is about an hour away, so I don't make it
over there except for race day.  (Mainly this is because I don't think
they allow you on the track when its not "open", although I don't think
its locked up or anything.)  If I get there really early (around 4:00) I
can get some time, but I usually can't afford to do that work-wise.
Then, before the races start at 8:00 they give us about 5 or 6
hot-laps.  Not much, but better than nothing, and I'm really gonna need
it tonight.  I'm about to start a whining campaign to move our class to
a higher state of legitimacy so that we get a heat race as well as a
feature, like the other classes (5 V8 and one other 4 cylinder).

Chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 12:36:28 -0700 (MST)
From: Darin Ray Hamilton 
Subject: Re: 4AGE mods
To: Roger Smith 
Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com

On Fri, 25 Feb 1994, Roger Smith wrote:

> >I'm not sure I understand your suggestion.
> >You said I could expect 15-20% increase in bhp.
> >Is that _with_ or _without_ an aftermarket EFI system?
> >If it's without, how do I get more power?
> 
> You can get up to 10% more power just from exhaust/intake modifications.
> After  that, different cams, will add up the rest (note, It is not a linear
> addition scale however). You can use some of TRD's cams with the stock EFI
> system. The aftermarket EFI, is only if you want to go over 150 BHP.

Do you know how much TRD charges for a good cam for my '86 MR2?
(I'm interested very little in fuel economy and emissions)
Also, how can I get a catalog from them?

I'd also like suggestions on what to do to my intake, and how to safely 
disable my emmissions controls (e.g., EGR system).

Thanks again!

...Darin
                         (. )(. )
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| Darin Ray Hamilton                     |
| 4th year MIS (BComm)                   |
| University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA |
| e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca       |
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 14:10:19 -0800
From: Joe Woodsprite 
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: RE Lightened Flywheel

Ok I'm assuming that all this flywheel lightening is to allow the engine to
rev up faster and happier.  What are the other advantages of doing this?  Any
disadvantages?  If not why isn't this done stock?  

Helping to stamp out and abolish redundancy,
Woodsprite

PS If anybody out there is planning a trip through Oregon, be careful the fines
   on all traffic infractions have just been trippled as a revenue enhancement.

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**                      *  1983 Celica ST  *        Joe Woodsprite          ***
**  Looking for Julie,  *                  *     Unsafe at any speed        ***
**    Whereever I go.   *  I don't drive   *                                ***
**        ---           *       fast.      *   lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu   ***
**   I'll do what it    *    I fly low.    *   lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu   ***
**  takes to find her.  *                  *                                ***
**                      *  72 Honda CB350  *                                ***
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From: GRAHAM@cc1.unt.edu
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 16:21:31 CST6CDT
Subject: RE Lightened Flywheel

>Ok I'm assuming that all this flywheel lightening is to allow the 
engine to
>rev up faster and happier.  What are the other advantages of doing this?  Any
>disadvantages?  If not why isn't this done stock?  

Well, when dealing with flywheel weights there are some tradeoffs.  
For example, a flywheel weighing 30 pounds will store more energy 
than a flywheel weighing 10 punds.  This is why some 4wheelers like 
the heavier than stock flywheels becuase they deliver more torque.  A 
heavier flywheel can also improve take-offs if you are running large 
tires/wheels.

I've always wondered about mpg though.  Seems like a lighter flywheel 
would improve mpg, and a heavier one would decrease mpg.  I would 
imagine a marginal amount though.

mike

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 17:27:41 -0500
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith)
Subject: Re: RE Lightened Flywheel

>Ok I'm assuming that all this flywheel lightening is to allow the engine to
>rev up faster and happier.  What are the other advantages of doing this?  Any
>disadvantages?  If not why isn't this done stock?
>

Actually some manufacturers do. The Acura integra GSR's have titanium
connecting rods, and lighter flywheels as compared to the regular models
(13-15 lbs comes to mind)
With light flywheels, Engine response is much better, and is especially
beneficial for those on/off throttle situations. Trade off, is that the
engine runs rougher, as the flywheel is what helps smoothen out the power
stroke cycles. In some 4 cyclinder engines, there is a period when no
cyclinder is firing, and the flywheels inertia, is what helps to bring the
piston up.

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Software Development            | The Hospital for Sick Children,
Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca   | Toronto, Canada.  (416)-813-5779

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To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: aml2@ukc.ac.uk
Subject: Struts/Disc Brakes
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 18:07:03 +0000
From: "A.M.Lagden" 

Does anybody on this list know whether it is possible to install the front
struts from an 82-84 celica (with vented disc brakes), on a 79-81 celica?

Mainly i want the vented discs, but the caliper is different ect, so i
thought it might be easier to change the whole strut. 
(unless anybody has any other ideas or knows of any aftermarket brake kits
 available for the RA40 celica?)

Andy.

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From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:01:13 -0800 (PST)
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM
Subject: Re: Struts/Disc Brakes

 . . Thoughts on upgrading to 82+ vented disks deleted . . .

Andrew, I'm failing to see the value added by this endeavor for an RA40 chassis.
Are you having warping problems with the stock rotors??  A quick call to
a dealership will tell you if 78-84 struts are identical.  I doubt it. Hence the
mod may also require 82+ control arms+cross member+strut bar+stabilizer bar.
Then there's a question of alignment. If overheatings a concern, why not 
invest in a high end pad and some brake cooling ducts?? 

I seriously doubt a brake upgrade kit exists for an RA40 since it would have to 
include rotors and calipers (vented disks are about twice as thick as solid, 
so stock calipers would be incompatible).  The cost to benefit ratio just isn't
there to manufactures such things for this car.

Clark

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From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 08:28:12 EST
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: Struts/Disc Brakes

> Does anybody on this list know whether it is possible to install the front
> struts from an 82-84 celica (with vented disc brakes), on a 79-81 celica?
>
> Mainly i want the vented discs, but the caliper is different ect, so i
> thought it might be easier to change the whole strut.
> (unless anybody has any other ideas or knows of any aftermarket brake kits
>  available for the RA40 celica?)
>
> Andy.

It's been my experience that anything will just about fit anything else,
so long as its a similar part and you don't mind doing some
"re-engineering."  I don't know what you're planning on doing with your
brakes, but, like Clark said, I kinna fail to see the immediate benefit,
unless you wiped out a strut in a wreck or something and just wanna put
on something better.  I guess maybe you need something like that for
heavy roadracing applications, if that's what you're doing.

An even better upgrade is your rear brakes.  You can pull the entire
rear-end out of a late-70's Supra, bolt it into your Celica without any
modifications, and get rear disc brakes _plus_ the 7.5" third member,
which is much cheaper to get a limited slip differential for.  (Pardon
the dangling participle!)

Chris

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From: fjo-toymod@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:34:09 CST
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list)
Subject: Re: Lightened Flywheel on 4AGE

Just passing this on:

When I had the clutch replaced in my 88 'Rolla GTS (4AGE) I asked about
lightening the flywheel....either by buying one or by machining out the stock
one. At the time I had not done too many mods so my favorite mechanic (who is
STILL my favorite mechanic) advised that a lighter flywheel would be more
money than any additional "fun" would be worth. He did look at the stock one
with respect to machining and ended up advising against it because he was not
satisfied that the structural integrity of the 'wheel would not be compromised.
Because I REALLY did not want the hassle/cost of a 'wheel failing I agreed and
we didn't do this. Also of interest is that in some cases the performance cams
(I have the HKS "street" ones - can't remember the statistics) cause the engine
to idle rougher so it may be better to have the heavier 'wheel to smooth this
out a bit. (Feel free to debate this.....)

Regards,
Fredo
(trying to be more active on the list! honest!)

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From: fjo-toymod@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:40:33 CST
To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list)
Subject: Larger injectors - a cheaper alternative

A few months ago I was trying to price out larger injectors for my 4AGE
and dicovered that these darn things are expensive even from a wrecker
(if you can find any Toyota's that is!). I talked to my much-regarded
favorite mechanic and he said....why not try an adjustable fuel pressure
regulator to up the fuel pressure thereby increasing the fuel flow?
That way if you don't like it you can always adjust it back or down
without having to throw away $400 in injectors? The regulator is going
to run about $50 or so. I am going to try this this spring right after
I get my Electromotive HP-V3 direct-fire ignition installed (thanks Roger!).
I will certainly advise the list how both of these mods turn out. I want to
do the ignition first so I have the extra spark power (and the PC interface
so I can actually do some "quantitative" acceleration measurement) to burn
the richer mixture. Anyone else thinking of trying this increased fuel
pressure thingy?

Again,
Fredo

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