Toyota-Mods Postings Feb 1994

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ _______ ^^^ ^^^ ,' - _ ^^^ ^^^ ________,'__________>>> - _ ^ ^^^ ^^^ , ' | ^^^ ^^^ ~I~ I~I \ / I~I ~I~ .~. _ I\/I I~I I~\ <~ ^^^ ^^^ I I_I | I_I I I~I I I I_I I_/ _> ^^^ ^^^ `---\__/----------------\__/----' ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ P O S T I N G S Feb 1994 ^^^ ^^^ --------------------------- ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 05:02:30 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Japan Spec Info... I got in touch with my sister in Japan... Did anyone want info on anything in Japan ? Besides Roger ? With the Suzuki Swift..shes there till the end of this semster I belive... and is willing to ride the train for me =) Please let me know... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji@interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Performance Fuel Pump Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 18:58:48 PST Welp, my mechanical fuel pump on my 82 Celica is leaking oil again. It seems I botched up my fuel pump installation again and I will redo it again in the next two weeks. Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine. Will the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase performance? I was looking at my TRD catalog and there is alot a performance webber carberator for the 22R engine. In terms of percentage, how much can I expect to gain from the webber carberator? Thanks, Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: TPHandbook To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:46:04 +0800 (WST) Anyone know a mail order book supplier (pref. with a email address) that carries the TPHandbook? I'm going nuts trying to find it in Singapore. Or anyone willing to mail me a copy? bentan xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:19:22 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Performance Fuel Pump > Welp, my mechanical fuel pump on my 82 Celica is leaking oil again. It seems > I botched up my fuel pump installation again and I will redo it again in the > next two weeks. Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in > a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine. Will > the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase > performance? I was looking at my TRD catalog and there is alot a performance > webber carberator for the 22R engine. In terms of percentage, how much can > I expect to gain from the webber carberator? > > Thanks, > Gary High performance fuel pumps will not give added performance to your Celica. On mine (the race car) with the dual 38's on it, the spec'd fuel pressure is still only 2.5 - 4 psi. More pressure just risks flooding the system. You _may_ get a little added power by capping the port for your mechanical fuel pump and installing a decent electrical one, but even then it might not be noticable. It should eliminate your oil leakage problem. As far as carbs go, the Webber 32/36 is an excellent, streetable carb that costs _less_ than the stock replacement. Remember, however, that your best performance gains will be seen because of a total volumetric efficiency boost, ie, get more air through that engine. In order to do that, you really need to add a cam and headers along with the carb to see a big difference. Another great source for the 2xR engine is LC engineering. Really good info if you are trying to decide what and how much you want to do. (Look in the supplier listing for info, the catalog is $5.00 and worth it.) Good Luck! -- _ ____| \__ '82 4x4 Christopher P. Myer {_^____^_} (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com) @ @ (407) 725-8742 ___ Melbourne, Florida ____/ ||:. '81 Celica GT <_^___81_^__) @ @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:34:39 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine > Hi. Can anyone confirm whether the 4K-C needs Leaded Gas? I know it "works" > with unleaded; I've tried (oops!).. What I'm wondering is if the specs say > leaded or unleaded. > > Thanks. > > bentan Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the following is accurate... Oil companies started putting lead into gasoline as a way to artificially and inexpensively raise the octane level of low-octane gas. An additional benefit of lead is that it serves as a lubricant of sorts, coating the operating surfaces of the engine much the same way as Slick 50, etc. Then folks started figuring out how deadly lead is, and the government banned it. (BTW, you can see that although lead is an additive, gas without lead is more expensive because it has to have higher octane without lead. Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running unleaded in it. On the other hand, if you run leaded (as most racing gas is, I believe) and your car has a catalytic converter, you will clog the converter and can cause it to get so hot that it can set things on fire. Like the time my wife parked on top of a pile of pine needles. (I was happy that they gave me $1000 for that clunker.) Hope this helps... -- Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:53:29 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: RE>>Celica MPG (80) > This must be a misprint, but my copy of the August 1982 Consumer Reports > report on the '82 Celica (liftback) lists the EPA estimates for the 5 speed > as 24/38. However, the other cars tested were the Dodge Charger, Camaro, > and Mustang GL all of which got EPA estimates within 4 or so mpg of the > Celica. But has anyone gotten anywhere near these figures on the streets? > CR got (their mileage estimates) 21 mpg city driving and 40 mpg expressway > driving. Sounds a lot higher than what everyone else is getting. I was > trying to correlate these figures to those which I get for my '80 Celica > (avg 17/24) which I would figure to get a little less than the '82 but not > by that much. > > -T Remember too that new cars get much better gas mileage. Same is true for motorcycles. When I used to have a motorcycle (Suzuki GSX-R 750) I got as high as 70 mpg when I first brought it home from the store. Not bad for 4 carbs that you could hear over the sound of the engine. Later, however, the mileage leveled off at around 42 mpg or so, quite a drop. FWIW (Oh, thought you guys might be getting bored with the same two .sigs all the time, so here is the .sig I did for the latest program I am on here at Harris! -- { } { } Christopher P. Myer ___________ {} Harris Corporation / __ __ \ ------- \/ Aerospace Systems Division | | | | | | | |__________||_ P.O.Box 94000 Melbourne, FL 32902 | | |__| | | |----|Advanced Train\ Mail Stop: 102-4844 ____/|_/|_/||_| |____|Control System ) 'net: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com | | | | | | -|-/-\ --/-\------/-\\\ Voice: (407) 729-3014 | |__| |__| | (-------0 ) ( 0 )\\ FAX: (407) 729-7459 \___________/ ---\-/---\-/------\-/-\\\\---------------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:00:17 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Engine Information/format.. OK Just, Got my Computer back today.. (Stuff Deleted) >> Do we want to include timing information? > > Most certainly... Any information goes a long way. But wouldn't that >be in the line of tune-ups? Is this a general information list. If not, could >we also include valve lash and spark plug gaps. > After some thought, I came to the conclusion: As with most modifications, your tune up information will be different from the factory spec, so Stock Tuning information goes right out the door (mine certainly has). Also since they are several variations on Toyotas engines, I don't expect we could fully cover all the specifics. For example, is the Tune up info for a Canadian spec 3SGTE from an 88 Celica the same as tune up info for an American 3SGTE as per 93 MR2's? (I would think not), also to keep the info managable, I propose just the basic info as previously suggested (for now at least). In the mean time, if someone could fill in the gaps for the following engines (Just to start somewhere) (just send email to me, and I'll compile it. Doesn't matter if more than one person sends, as this can help to verify info) 4AGZE (Supercharged MR2 MK1, (7MGTE/Whatever For Turbo/Non Turbo Supras), 3SGE, 5MGE, 4K,3K. eg: ==================== Cut Here ================= ENGINE: 22RE TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50" DISPLACEMENT: 2366 cc's or 144 c.i. COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified ECU: Toyota, Port Injection EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least) TURBO: none POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) TORQUE: 140 lb-ft@2800 also 190 n-m (1 lb-ft = 1.355 n-m) REDLINE: 5800 rpm on tach VALVE GEAR: Chain driven SOHC VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2 VEHICLE: 83-85 Celica, 85-current trucks, 2wd and 4wd, 22R was available on some trucks for some time after 85 as well. COMMENTS: Very torquey engine, good low end grunt. One with 239k miles was rebuilt and used the original crank with no regrinding necessary. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: lupienj@wal.hp.com (John Lupien) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:03:20 EST To: Gary H , Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Performance Fuel Pump > Because of this, I've been poundering the idea of putting in > a performance fuel pump on a basically stocked 22R carberatred engine. Will > the addition of a performance fuel pump significantly (if at all) increase > performance? Probably not. If you are having problems with fuel starvation, you should be able to tell, and if so then a better pump may help. The best way to tell is to floor it in third or fourth, and try to determine what RPM the power drops off. Then compare that with the lower gears (where the fuel demand is less because you go up through the RPM range faster). There are other reasons to go with a better pump, though. The Facet electric pump from Pegasus is really nice - it puts out about 5psi and you can put a Purolator fuel pressure regulator just before the carb to keep it at the right feed pressure. If one Facet doesn't meet your flow requirements (not likely) you can put two on with parallel outputs. -- --- John R. Lupien lupienj@wal.hp.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 08:27:29 -0700 From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE>>Unleaded Gas in 4K-C En Chris wrote: >Oil companies started putting lead into gasoline as a way to >artificially and inexpensively raise the octane level of low-octane >gas. An additional benefit of lead is that it serves as a lubricant of >sorts, coating the operating surfaces of the engine much the same way as >Slick 50, etc. > >Then folks started figuring out how deadly lead is, and the government >banned it. (BTW, you can see that although lead is an additive, gas >without lead is more expensive because it has to have higher octane >without lead. Righto. >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem by running unleaded >in it. On the other hand, if you run leaded (as most racing gas is, I >believe) and your car has a catalytic converter, you will clog the Well, depends on the engine. This probably doesn't apply to Japanese vehicles, but older American iron, like before 71, can be damaged by running unleaded fuel. The valve seats before 71 were not hardened on most engines and tend to recede into the head when run long enough without the lead for lubricant. This is mostly long term damage, occurring over 10's of thousands of miles, maybe longer depending on who you ask. I looked into this when even regular leaded went to 0.1 gram of lead instead of the old 1+ gram per gallon for my 72 Pontiac LeMans. Turns out the valve seats are hardened on Pontiacs from 71 on so I can run whatever. Companies make substitutes now which lubricate but aren't so toxic if you do need it. Jim Chott Motorola Dust Devils 4WD club rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com 1985 Toyota XtraCab 4wd pickup Tempe, AZ 1972 Pontiac LeMans convertible xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:27:58 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Latest racing results and Daytona... Well, Tom Julien has done SO much whining about my failure to post my racing results, I decided that I'd better do it. (BTW, Tom lives about 20 minutes from the track that I race at and has been too BUSY to make it the last coupla weeks. I say if you are too busy to go to the races, you are too busy.) But first, Daytona. A buddy of mine is acquainted with NASCAR owner Travis Carter, and got us some passes to go see the Ford practice days at Daytona for the 500. I was impressed both by the money, and by the same down-to-earth, try it and see approach that we all take from time to time. First, the most expensive things there aren't the cars or anything like that, its the trailers. Here are these huge semi-trailers, painted and polished immaculately, you walk in expecting to see car parts and stuff, and everything is crome and carpet and formica. The back part has a complete kitchen, and the front is a driver/crew lounge with TV (with satellite antenna), nintendo games, etc. In between is a storage area, but it is as clean as the kitchen, with cabinets and cubbyholes everywhere. Where do the cars go? On top of all of this, between the ceiling of the living area and the top of the trailer. The entire back door rotates to horizontal to become a lift, they back the car onto the lift, and lower it to th Speaking of 2.5 miles, how long does it take these baby's to go that far? They _averaged_ 48 seconds per lap. Punch that into your Hewlett Packard! But then, after a few laps, they'd bring the car in and tweak something. Not the approach that most of us engineers like to take (say the Scientific Method) but rather the "What if" method. Evidently it works, probably because they have so much knowledge that their "what ifs" are real close anyway. Last "what if" had to do with wind drag on the front-bottom edge of the rear tires, so they quickly designed some air dams that fit on the rear of the kick panel (and looked very impressive despite the fact that they just "what if'd" and a coupla guys cut and designed them out of sheet metal.) They put these things on with a coupla rivets and a lot of duct tape and then back out on the track. Sounds like something I'd try, only it did seem to help their time. Enough of Daytona. If anyone wants to know more, email me direct. As I mentioned before, my racing has gotten better. 2 Friday's ago I placed second after starting at the back of a 27 car field. Not too bad, but I got into first after only 10 or 11 laps, only to screw up and let a guy drive under me in turn 4 of the second to the last lap. Oh well, second ain't too bad, especially when that's better than I'd ever done. Last Friday, things were a bit different. I started 7th of 27, and moved almost immediately into 3rd (I always out-sprint everyone on the starts.) Then, the flag-man (I've had words with this 3rd grade dropout, hick, "my brother owns the track, and if you don't kiss my butt, I'll spit chewing terbaccy on yer car" loser) puts me back to 6th for who knows what. Doesn't matter, with this outside position, I jump into second on the restart, and move to first before a lap is completed. (Ha ha, kiss MY butt, you scumbag flag-fag!) (Oops, sorry!) And, to make an exciting race boring, held on the rest of the race for the WIN! My first (and I'd like to th No racing this next weekend (National Guard) and I'm trying to get the car painted and the roll bar in, so I'm not sure If I will be ready the week after, either. Hopefully, when I DO get back to the track Tom Julien will not be TOO BUSY to watch, so that I won't have to keep on doing my own victory lane email interviews. -- _ ____| \__ '82 4x4 Christopher P. Myer {_^____^_} (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com) @ @ (407) 725-8742 ___ Melbourne, Florida ____/ ||:. '81 Celica GT <_^___81_^__) @ @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:29:47 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Kennedy Adapters... Has anyone heard of the Supplier Kennedy Adapters? I was talking to RJ at TRD about the possibility of putting a 3SGTE in a RWD car, (I really called to find out about crank case venting on 4AGE -- more in a later message) and he said that the guys at Kennedy Adapters (some where in Calif.) could supply an adapter that would mate it to a nissan gear box). (No, -I'm not planning a 3SGTE for my starlet :-) just curious. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:16:06 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: The case of the missing text... I have been told from time to time that part of my posts seem to get lost. I am trying to figure out if this is a logical problem (like my send mailer deciding a paragraph is too long and chopping it) or a 'net problem. In any case, if my message about my races and Daytona ended abruptly in some places, how about sending that message back to me so I can see if it is happening to everybody in the same place, or just to some folks in assorted places. (Wow, what a confusing sentence!) Thanks! -- Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:16:55 -0500 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Adapters... Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com >Errrr what adapters are you referring to ? > >bellhousing ? > >tranmission ? > >Drive shaft ? > >Jus pondering... > Apparently Kennedy Adapters have provided adapter plates for all of the above situations, however as would be the case (of a RWD setup) with 3SGTE with Nissan Gear Box, you would need an adapter plate to connect the _bellhousing_ to the 3SGTE block. >-allen > >BTW...hows the cold ? Warm thoughts from hawaii Well Today is actually supposed to be Ground Hog Day! (Go see the movie) The weather has actually warmed up a bit This week (high's of -8 C are expected!). -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 07:30:26 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Hmmm... References... 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This is more for American Cars but i'm sure they have adaptations to our uses or they can =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:31:49 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Engine Information/format.. }ENGINE: 22RE }TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head }BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50" }DISPLACEMENT: 2366 cc's or 144 c.i. }COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified }ECU: Toyota, Port Injection }EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least) }TURBO: none }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hey! Roger! Good stuff!!! Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated for 107hp. Don't know what the torque spec is though. aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:54:00 -0700 From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE>>Engine Information/form Jim said: }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aaron said: >Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated >for 107hp. Don't know what the torque spec is though. I got that number from the truck brochure, 85-94. A magazine article I have says that for 85 in the trucks, compression was raised from 9.0 to 9.3 and EFI was added. Maybe in the Celicas, which already had the EFI, the compression was raised in 85, accounting for the added horsepower. Jim Chott xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Engine Information/format.. To: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com. (Aaron Lung) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:59:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com. (Toyota Mods ML) > }ENGINE: 22RE > }TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head > }BORE x STROKE: 92mm x 89mm or 3.63" x 3.50" > }DISPLACEMENT: 2366 cc's or 144 c.i. > }COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.3:1, 90 octane unleaded specified > }ECU: Toyota, Port Injection > }EMISSIONS: Cat. type unknown, EGR, no AIR system (for 85 at least) > }TURBO: none > }POWER: 116 BHP@4800, also 86.5kw (1hp = .746kw) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > hey! Roger! Good stuff!!! > > Wasn't the 116hp only on the 1985 22RE's? My 84 is only rated > for 107hp. Don't know what the torque spec is though. Sounds right, I remember the figures for my '83 GT-S being 107hp@4800 and 137lb-ft@2800. Anyone know what they changed to get the slight increase? (the other) Aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 14:00:59 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Broken Paragraphs! Thanks to those of you who sent me my mail back for analysis. Mark pointed out that both times the dropout occurred, it happened on the 15th line. I couldn't find anything limiting my paragraphs to 15 in my .mailrc (the mail utilities run command file, for you non-UNIX'rs). Then I thought, "Hmmm, 15 lines times 72 characters per line (max) is 1080 characters." That would put the 1024th character squarely on line 15. Hmmm. Sure enough, after sending myself some test mailings, everthing after the 1024th character typed without a return is ignored, obviously the result of a buffer size limitation. (Note the new paragraph where I usually would have continued to drone on...) Anyway I let the "fmt_mail" utility put my carriage returns into my mail, so I don't hit carriage returns at the end of each line. Bottom line: I'll have to write shorter paragraphs. As far as what got lost...First, I was talking about the trailers there at the track: Where do the cars go? On top of all of this, between the ceiling of the living area and the top of the trailer. The entire back door rotates to horizontal to become a lift, they back the car onto the lift, and lower it to the ground. I'll bet that baby goes for a cool million, not counting the pulling rig. Oh, I forgot to mention the custom viewing deck built on the top of the entire thing. Allowing you to watch the entire race from the infield, even at a 2.5 mile track like Daytona. Then, during the discussion of my race... And, to make an exciting race boring, held on the rest of the race for the WIN! My first! (And I'd like to thank all of the folks in the Toyota-Mods group that made this possible....) The only other "exciting" part was that my car was running like CRAP! Missing like crazy. I know the carb is too rich, and I think that it finally fouled out the spark plugs. I usually clean them before each race, but I negelected to do so this time. I only won by controlling the track, a technique I have been working on doing better at. Made a huge 15 bucks! Not much but since this is technically a "trophy-only" class, getting your entry fee back is fantastic. (Yecchy on the sentence structure in the 3rd to the last line!) Well, thanks for your forbearance, and I will try to keep the paragraphs shorter! Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: arvidj@aol.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Wed, 02 Feb 94 17:50:42 EST Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine Chris, >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running >unleaded in it. I believe that statement is incorrect. I'll check my facts and will give references soon, but I believe some pre-unleaded engines assume the existance of lead in the fuel for things other than octane enhancement. I recall seeing 'must have hardened valve seats installed to use this head with unleaded fuel', but can not recall where. Real facts, real soon now, Arvid xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:54:08 +1000 (EST) From: Murray Chapman Subject: Re: Unleaded Gas in 4K-C Engine To: arvidj@aol.com Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Wed, 2 Feb 1994 arvidj@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > > >Anyway, you can never cause your engine a problem be running > >unleaded in it. > > I believe that statement is incorrect. I'll check my facts and > will give references soon, but I believe some pre-unleaded > engines assume the existance of lead in the fuel for things > other than octane enhancement. I recall seeing 'must have > hardened valve seats installed to use this head with unleaded > fuel', but can not recall where. Lead acts as a lubricant. If you run a leaded engine with unleaded fuel, you will destroy your valves relatively quickly. Murray -- Murray Chapman Zheenl Punczna -- -- muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au zhmmyr@pf.hd.bm.nh -- -- University of Queensland Havirefvgl bs Dhrrafynaq -- -- Brisbane, Australia Oevfonar, Nhfgenyvn -- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 15:26:04 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: New Members We again welcome new members... >>>>>Dirk Sieber<<<<< Name : Dirk Sieber Location : Victoria/Vancouver B.C., Canada Model : 1986 Celica GTS Engine : 3S-GE Mods : Not much... yet... ;-) Larger tires is about it email : dsieber@unixg.ubc.ca I liked your examples... good taste... ;-) Well, a bit about myself... I'm a student at the University of Victoria, out here on the (very) west coast of British Columbia. I picked up a Celica GT-S about 2 years ago, and now finally am starting to have some time (and the money) to put some work into it. I will freely admit that this sort of thing is all new to me, as this is the first car I've actually owned, vs just driven. I'm basically looking for ideas and guidance on what sort of things are possible, what can be done without the need for a professional shop (I do have access to a large collection of tools), and what sort of things I might find affordable & useful. I thought that what I was looking for probably is a little more complecated than the bleeding of brakes, etc that you mention for the normal toyota list, but I do have to admit I probably wouldn't have an awful lot to contribute here. However, I wouldn't mind lurking in the corners for a while to pick up what I can, if you wouldn't mind. >>>>> Steve Chaffee<<<<< Email: steve@liatris.cfnr.colostate.edu Name: Steve Chaffee Model: 1987 toyota 4x4 minivan (more power would be nice, but not my reason for subscribing here) 1986 mr2 - actually dad's car now, but in two years he wants to retire, buy a sailboat and play, at the same time my wife will (hopefully) finish her phd, and this would make a nice little present. engine: van - 4age - There is also a "h" or "y" in there, I'll check tonight. mr2 - can't remember that either, I'll check, you probably know anyway. mods: van - heh, heh, do floormats count? :) I'm all ears on suggestions though. mr2 - bone stock except for tires - dunlop d40 m2's This is the one we're planning on working with. Concerns: 1.) reliability 2.) legality (this is front-range Colorado, emissions are abig concern) 3.) scca rules. Dad is interested in playing a little, but staying in stock class until he figures out the car (it replaces his 71 240z - RIP, rust never sleeps, and handles just a wheeeee bit different). This probably limits him to k&n filters, cat-back exhaust, tires, and maybe struts. Future plans/ideas: port/polish/match (shave?) heads lighten the flywheel suspension stuff - springs, strut tie-bars, larger sway bars. brakes - larger rotors? drilled? Questions: I've played with scirrocos (a1), datsuns (240), and nissans (stanza). I've done/had done head intake, and suspension stuff similar to the above. It's pretty easy to find info for the (and parts) vw's and nissans from the likes of neuspeed and nissan motorsports, but I know nothing, have no sources for the more-recent toyotas. I want to know things like, will a port/polish do anything on the mr2? (on some nissan heads it will, on others it won't, due to some nasty tight radius bends in the intake). What exhaust work (if any) helps the highend with out trashing low-end torque (headers are pretty much out of the question due to emmisions). I`ll stop now. If what I'm asking isn't appropriate to this group, let me know and I'll look elsewhere. I realize I'm a beginner here, but I've done enough in the past to probably understand a lot of what you're saying. I plan on just lurking for a little while to learn what I can before disrupting things too bad with lots of questions you've all probably asked and answered a million times before (by the way do you have a faq-type thing available to help bring me up to speed?). <<<<<>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 17:23:38 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Query Steve Chaffee >Email: steve@liatris.cfnr.colostate.edu >Name: Steve Chaffee >Model: 1987 toyota 4x4 minivan (more power would be nice, but not > my reason for subscribing here) Wow ! You got the sports van conversion ?!?! > 1986 mr2 - actually dad's car now, but in two years he wants > to retire, buy a sailboat and play, at the same time > my wife will (hopefully) finish her phd, and this would > make a nice little present. >engine: van - 4age - There is also a "h" or "y" in there, I'll check tonight Woah ya got me on this one... I know the Van was partially Corolla but not sure about the sports version =) > mr2 - can't remember that either, I'll check, you probably > know anyway. MR-2 of your year is the 4AGE =) (that I tink I know) >mods: van - heh, heh, do floormats count? :) > I'm all ears on suggestions though. Floormats do count. I prefer the "Stock" Toyota mats that are optional with the name embroidered on them. They cost about $40 but well worth it I think =) > mr2 - bone stock except for tires - dunlop d40 m2's Sheesh... Tire of choice I guess =) > This is the one we're planning on working with. Wow... I bet he even has a project on his finger ;) > Concerns: > 1.) reliability Hmmmmm thats why you (*cough cough*) Got a Toyota ;) > 2.) legality (this is front-range Colorado, > emissions are a big concern) You got me again here on emissions... I'm Lucky I live without them here but there are tricks to making your car pass if you do heavy mods but you shouldn't have to get that serious. > 3.) scca rules. Dad is interested in playing > a little, but staying in stock class until > he figures out the car (it replaces his 71 > 240z - RIP, rust never sleeps, and handles > just a wheeeee bit different). This probably > limits him to k&n filters, cat-back exhaust, > tires, and maybe struts. I would run the MR-2 in stock class which throws it in C - Stock. The MR-2 is built for autocrossing from the showroom. Thus is why you have the stock stut-tower braces and hole in your drivers seat for the 5-point harness. (*chuckle*) and that 3 1/2 inch subwoofer under the drivers seat ;) > Future plans/ideas: port/polish/match (shave?) heads > lighten the flywheel The 4AGE motor is a bit expensive to build but if you gonna do that the lightended flywheel i'm not sure about. I've had good experiences with it and bad. However if you are used to this then its no problem what so ever. > suspension stuff - springs, strut tie-bars, > larger sway bars. Run stock class there are strut tower bars available and anti-sway bars for the car and this is a stock modification so its still legal in c - stock. Change your struts to the TRD ones and maybe your bushings. If you want camber numbers i can give you a set of them depening on how heavy the driver is. > brakes - larger rotors? drilled? The MR-2 is one of the few cars with a good braking system. You really don't need it but more power to you if you want it. > Questions: I've played with scirrocos (a1), datsuns > (240), > and nissans (stanza). I've done/had done head > intake, and suspension stuff similar to the > above. It's pretty easy to find info for the > (and parts) vw's and nissans from the likes > of > neuspeed and nissan motorsports, but I know > nothing, have no sources for the more-recent > toyotas. I want to know things like, will a > port/polish do anything on the mr2? (on some > nissan heads it will, on others it won't, due > to some nasty tight radius bends in the > intake). Scirrocos are good, jus the transmissions are weak as with all VW's and the 240 is one of the BEST if not the BEST balanced autocross car there is in a stock class or a street prepared class due to the power band and balance of the car. > What exhaust work (if any) helps the highend with- > out trashing low-end torque (headers are pretty > much out of the question due to emmisions). Exhaust is proably you'll have to go errrr I dunno... with emissions i dunno... >I`ll stop now. If what I'm asking isn't appropriate to this group, let me >know and I'll look elsewhere. I realize I'm a beginner here, but I've >done enough in the past to probably understand a lot of what you're >saying. Heh don't mind me... i'm jus bubbling and taking up bandwith since the Toyota Mailing list (the other one) has been spitting out like 20 mail per day plus (*sigh*) >I plan on just lurking for a little while to learn what I can before >disrupting things too bad with lots of questions you've all probably >asked and answered a million times before We have ? Nah... unless you have a good timing chain story =) BTW Nah... Which Colorado is this ? =) Take it Easy.... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 08:18:49 -0800 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam , Cc: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Subject: Encountering packet losses Ah most honorable Koji-san, Please enlighten me with your Toyota ways... :^) Allen, just out of curiosity. Did you receive a copy of Gary Hong's email regarding my email address or either received my post to you. It seems as if I may either be encountering packet losses from my server or the University's server is bouncing my mail. My apologies for using bandwidth other than for the newsgroup. Mahalos, Allan "transplanted toyboy" Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 13:53:11 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: 1994 Spec's for Formula Atlantic 4AGE... There is a short blurb (with picture) on the 94 Formula Atlantic 4AGE in the March 94 Car&Driver, apparently with the new TRD EFI system (US $3,000), Max. output remains unchanged (240 BHP), but the engine develops 50 more BHP by 5000 RPM, than with the carb'd engines of last year. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:55:02 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Clutches for 4AGE... Anyone know if you can use the pressure plate/clutch from the supercharged MR2 in a corolla GTS gear box? The TRD spec sheet for corolla GTS lists a pressure plate/clutch with 550kg clamping force VS stocks 4x0. TRD literature for 4agze lists clutches/pp up to 700KG. How much of a difference would this make to (clutch) pedal pressure? -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS . . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice calls out . . . Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting + erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe. Ten years ago, when I purchased the pipes, it was a very different world. Bottom line, I picked them up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked. Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these things. Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers. However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for. I'm convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill. I plan on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during cusory inspections also). Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails. Thanks, Clark xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 09:44:42 -0800 To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith), Subject: Re: Tuning Toyotas Twin Cam Terror... On Jan 28, 10:08am, Roger Smith wrote: > Subject: Tuning Toyotas Twin Cam Terror... > The Subject line is taken from the cover of the Jan. 94 issue of Car, and > Car conversions (British Magazine). Contains useful info, that even "I" > didn't know ;-) One point mentioned, was the fact that "the head design, is > such that if the belt brakes, there is sufficient tolerances that you > *shouldn't* bend a valve". Also the fact that "later 4AG blocks used > reinforced "ribs" to eliminate sonic resonance, vs for strength". All in > all not a bad article as they compare the FX-16, to MR2, to GTS. Sorry to trouble you folks but it seems like I am unable to obtain January's issue of CAR magazine. They seem to run out of it quickly here in the pennisula. If anybody could forward me a copy of the magazine (just let me know what the postage is too) or a xerox copy of the article... I will be forever grateful. Roger, If you are reading this... I beg of you to xerox me a copy. Thanks, Allan Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com p.s. My mailing address is: Silicon Graphics Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 1L-745 Mountain View, CA 94043 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 06:50:54 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Product Directory I was cleaning my room the other day.... And found my product buyers guide. It lists places of High Performance Racing Parts from A - Z you name the manufactor or distrubior I have the address etc or at least a name of companies to contact and what areas they are in. Drop me a line or I'll post it on Toy-mods list... Remind me if i don't get back to ya in 3 days. The Lists for some parts are quite long. I'll try put up a listing or a index maybe one day... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 14:15:06 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: More new members And now, introducing out two newest members, is spokesmodel Chris Myer (*GAG*) Wait, this isn't Star Search. And what is a spokesmodel anyway? Anyhow, here are two more members. >>>>>Douglas Pike<<<<< name: Douglas Pike location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda Model: 85 Celica GT engine: 22re modes: atostreet stock cam (TRD) Supra rims Supra seats neopream? bushing for all suspension componets dis connected egr system/ and advanced timing by 8 degrees more to come..... >>>>>Andrew Lagden<<<<< Name : Andrew Lagden Age : 20 Birthdate: 15/12/73 Location : University Of Kent, Canterbury, England, UK Model : 1978 Toyota Celica 2000ST Engine : 18R-G DOHC (from 1983/84 Europe) Mods : 2.5 inch exauhst system (Homebuilt) Revolution 6x14inch 5 spoke alloys with 195 & 205/60x14 tyres. Sports steering wheel (essential instead of the huge bus type steering wheel) 3.9 Limited Slip diff. Electronic Ignition Module. email : aml2@ukc.ac.uk Me : I am currently studying computer science at the University of Kent in England, now in my second year out of three year course. I have always been extremely keen on cars, as my father used to work for Fords, and i love dismantling things.. Car : I bought the celica as my first car in January 1992, and have fallen in love with it ever since. When the original 18R engine blew up, i was ready to give in, until i saw an add for a brand new unused 18R-G engine for sale. I got hold of it, and realising it was meant for a European 82-84 Celica (Model RA63), i had some work to do to get it all installed, (New accelerator linkages, sump and downpipe/exhaust system and electronic ignition, as it had a different dizzy to my old engine. Now the celica runs sweet as can be, and i am trying to find sources of other performance parts such as brakes/suspension. But most of all I want a TURBO. Reason for joining : To gain a greater knowledge, to modify my TOYOTA to be the best and only car ill ever have... <<<<<>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:02:01 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Query Newbies Welcome ! >From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Mon Feb 7 09:15:53 1994 >And now, introducing out two newest members, is spokesmodel Chris Myer >(*GAG*) Woo Woo !!! Lookie at them legs ! ;) >Wait, this isn't Star Search. And what is a spokesmodel anyway? Its so much more !!!! A Spokesmodel is like Gina Aurio =) >Anyhow, here are two more members. Oh goodie.. that makes the count what ? =) >>>>>Douglas Pike<<<<< >name: Douglas Pike >location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda >Model: 85 Celica GT >engine: 22re >modes: atostreet stock cam (TRD) Lets see... thats the 280/280 cam ? The Crane Cam Shaft or the Iskenderian came has a better or bigger torquer cam for the 20/22R motor i think... But its a still a good cam... >Supra rims Supra seats >neopream? bushing for all suspension componets >dis connected egr system/ and advanced timing by 8 degrees >more to come..... Neopream = Polyurathane bushing i belive or a type of them. 8 Degrees is okay... do you have the adjustable timing gear ? or do you jus crank your timing a lot ? or you use it for more top end ? bottom end ? all around =) Supra Rims and Seats =) from the same model type supra =) >>>>>Andrew Lagden<<<<< >Name : Andrew Lagden >Age : 20 >Birthdate: 15/12/73 >Location : University Of Kent, Canterbury, England, UK >Model : 1978 Toyota Celica 2000ST >Engine : 18R-G DOHC (from 1983/84 Europe) >Mods : 2.5 inch exauhst system (Homebuilt) Straight pipe ? > Revolution 6x14inch 5 spoke alloys with Revolutions are dang light =) Good Autocrossing rims =) And Street rims =) I like them... > 195 & 205/60x14 tyres. What kinna tires ? Or jus street ones ? > Sports steering wheel (essential instead of the huge bus > type steering wheel) Any brand ? What Size ? did ya go up or down from the 14" ? > 3.9 Limited Slip diff. Woah... Top end flyer ! =) > Electronic Ignition Module. Stock Wires ? Ignition ? Coil ? =) >email : aml2@ukc.ac.uk Wow.. UK Peeples ! >Me : I am currently studying computer science at the University > of Kent in England, now in my second year out of three year > course. I have always been extremely keen on cars, as my > father used to work for Fords, and i love dismantling > things.. Sounds familiar... my dad's into Chevy's or at least Ford bodies with Chevy motors... Go Figure =) >Car : I bought the celica as my first car in January 1992, and > have fallen in love with it ever since. When the original > 18R engine blew up, i was ready to give in, until i saw > an add for a brand new unused 18R-G engine for sale. I > got hold of it, and realising it was meant for a > European Wow... where was it sitting around ?!?! =) > 82-84 Celica (Model RA63), i had some work to do to get > it all installed, (New accelerator linkages, sump and > downpipe/exhaust system and electronic ignition, > as it had a different dizzy to my old engine. Did ya use the stock exhaust or ya had to buy the TRD ? > Now the celica runs sweet as can be, and i am trying to > find sources of other performance parts such as > brakes/suspension. But most of all I want a TURBO. 18RG Turbo came in Turbo Vehicles there. Check a Starlet or change to a different motor. If not I know the one Iron Man Stewart is a Turbo i think or there is one. >Reason for joining : To gain a greater knowledge, to modify my TOYOTA to be > the best and only car ill ever have... Amen... What more can ya say ?!?!!?!? Don't mind me... If ya can stand my bad typing and bad spelling who knows... You might learn something from Chris,Roger,Tom,Aaron etc etc from me ? Ya'll learn bad ways to type ! =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:18:33 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... >From goble@maxwell.ee.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 20:28:40 1994 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 94 15:49:05 -0800 From: Brian Goble 8727676 Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine >I just picked up the March '94 issue of "Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance" >magazine. (For those of you in the Seattle area, I found it at >Barnes & Noble books in Bellevue--first place I've seen it). Subscribe to Turbo Magzine ! It comes weally early ! >The thing that caught my I was on the cover it says: > HOT! 12-Second > Single-Turbo Supra Single Turbo Supra (*gasp*) ha ha don't those cover storys jus get ya Brian ? Heh... >On page 44 is the story of an '87 Supra Turbo that can a 12.39 1/4 mile at >116 mph. It's generatring around 500 hp (50 of which comes from nitrous)! Actually Its pretty darn good for a street car. It is lower etc but he paid big big bucks for a car that don't or should turn faster times. Actually a friend down here (Yes Andrew Higa Allanc heh) has a similar project. The NOS is used basically for a launching type to get the turbo spooling and to get off the line. He's currently going after Pat's supra down here. Andrew has about all the good goodies in his turbo supra, but his is also SLAMMED (not lowered) to the ground with new 16" OZ Racing rims (ya he bent the SSR's -pout-) There is what could possible be the fastest Production Model Supra down here that bought like the ONLY Supra that has the conversion to remove the air box and his Turbo produces 800HP on the street, but he's just a Street driver who drives it to work and bought eberrything HKS has and is debating on rims now. However... Pats Drag White Supra IS the fastest production Supra in the WORLD. (errr wait.. fastest is lowest et ? no mph ? well he has the lowest et one) Running close to stock offest rims and tires and a similar car can be built for 20k or so and achieve 10 second time slips. >I noticed the the picture in the lower-left corner of page 44 refers to >the car as "second-generation"--when it is really the "third-generation" >Supra. I think they don't count the 80-82 "Celica Supras" as Supras =) I know I Don't ! ;) nah nah nah... >Just FYI... >-Brian > ==)------------ > Brian Goble | goble@ee.u.washington.edu > "Finishing a close second means you didn't win." > ------------(== Damm... Just like some one crashing into you around the last corner during a race huh ? Dammm... Thats harsh... Hey there's a New Virtua Racing Game called Virtua Indy !!! I'm going to Vegas in August jus to play it ;) Anyone wanna join me =) (Okay... so i'm a little late in my back mail ! but the mailer here is messed*) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu. (Allen T "Koji" Kam) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:43:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com. (Toyota Mods ML), > Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine > >I just picked up the March '94 issue of "Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance" > >magazine. (For those of you in the Seattle area, I found it at > >Barnes & Noble books in Bellevue--first place I've seen it). ... > However... Pats Drag White Supra IS the fastest production Supra in the WORLD. > (errr wait.. fastest is lowest et ? no mph ? well he has the lowest et one) > Running close to stock offest rims and tires and a similar car can be > built for 20k or so and achieve 10 second time slips. Don't go away, Koji! I've got a gleam in my eye and I'm itching to yank the tail on my white beast... unfortunately I've got sort of severe cash flow problems at the moment, so I'm going to have to wait a couple months before I can buy any more toys. I'm expecting a drastic improvement in my employment situation in that time frame, one way or the other, and then I'm going to beg your help in at least getting to the embarass-Corvettes-new RX7's-3000GTs level. >:) Also, I just noticed that the air intake path on the 87-92 Supra Turbos routes the post-intercooler air right over the darn turbo housing. They route the air through 8 feet of ducting to get to the intercooler and back, then cook it again right above the turbo just before it enters the block... sheesh. I then remembered that that 12-second Supra had wrapped the post-intercooler air ducting with some kind of thermal wrap. Anyone have any suggestions for what I should use for similar effect? I'd prefer to spend $50 or less, and settle for 80% instead of spending $100+ for NASA materials and getting the extra 20% for 100% efficiency. Aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods ML), Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... Date: Tue, 08 Feb 94 10:53:39 -0800 From: danapple@vicor.com > abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu writes: > I then remembered that that > 12-second Supra had wrapped the post-intercooler air ducting with > some kind of thermal wrap. Anyone have any suggestions for what > I should use for similar effect? Use some heavy duty tin foil, shiny side out. It's not an insulator, but will reflect heat energy. Maybe use the foil to surround some insulation. Just make sure the foil doesn't touch the exhaust manifold. > Aaron Dan. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 08 Feb 94 12:58:12 CST From: J Grant Montgomery To: Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... > >Subject: Mk III Supra Turbo in Turbo Magazine > >>I noticed the the picture in the lower-left corner of page 44 refers to >>the car as "second-generation"--when it is really the "third-generation" >>Supra. > >I think they don't count the 80-82 "Celica Supras" as Supras =) I know I >Don't ! ;) nah nah nah... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, I believe they do count those Celica Supras as Supras - merely part of the Mark I or first-generation Supras. I have an '85 "Celica Supra, and I am pretty sure it's a Mark II Supra Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? Grant UT BAD1 / '85 Toyota Celica Supra 5-Speed & Alpine CD / WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu / Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:07:34 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: My unsubscription to the other Toyota mailing list Just wanted to assure all of the members of the Toyota-Mods mailing list that I do not plan on allowing the toyota-mods list to succomb to the recent pressure we have received to curtail our access to email here at Harris. My unsubscription to the regular Toyota mailing list was merely an attempt to pacify those at Harris who are anal-retentive about the use of the internet. Hopefully this will serve as motivation to me to get one of my Sun workstations at home running and move the list (and mosaic server) there. I doubt I will do that any time soon, though. -- Christopher P. Myer cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com ================================================================ = ________ ________ ___ ___ ________ ________ ___ = = /__ __// / ___ // \ \\ / // / ___ // /__ __// / \\ = = / // / // / // \ \/ // / // / // / // / /\ \\ = = / // / // / // \ // / // / // / // / //_\ \\ = = / // / //_/ // / // / //_/ // / // / _____\ \\ = =/ // / // / // / // / // / // \ \\ = ================================================================ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 19:58:42 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: cornering ( was: how fast ...) Allen, >>So just what are the "optimal pressures". I think I'm running a little> >>softer than others in this group. (I use 30psi all around on 1 size over >>stock RE71's) >I'd bet everyone in the group not seeking chiropractic help for their spine >is at "sub-optimal" pressures. >For my stone stock '93 turbo, 195/55-15 A022 front, 225/50-15 A022 back, >about 50 degree ambient tempurature, tires at operating tempurature: >43 Front, 45 Back. >This gave the highest g loading (.9+ in both directions) with minimum >understeer at the limit. Within the range of 39 - 45 front and >29 - 51 rear, I was never able to get rid of the understeer, just >able to control how much of it there was. >The car felt very 'happy' with these settings while autocrossing, >but I had to go back to my normal 33 front, 35 back for street use. >The higher setting had absolutely NO give and would probably shake >the fenders off the car in a week of daily driving on smooth asphalt >roads. >Your setup needs are probably very different, >Avid These preasures seem a bit high to me. I don't really know how the A022's behave hot, but the A008RS' seem to operate best around 35 PSI +-, on the track. Difference here might be in tire temperature?? Tire adheasion is a function of tire preasure and temp ( beyond the temp / preasure relationship) and past certain preasures the adheasion goes back down. If you have access to a tire pyrometer then I would use that to tune your suspension, otherwise use white shoe polish, pick 2/3 spots on each tire, and draw radial lines from the tread to about 2 in toward the center of the tire, take the car for a 'spin' and see where the shoe polish is rubbing off. this will tell you how much tire you are using/not using. my $0.02 Enjoy Ray B. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:48:00 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: A Question of Stopping... Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? Also with Metallic brake pads and semi metallic ? Bronze metallic are in there also. I belive a 4 wheel disc system is the best but my drum brakes do decently for me even though i want to upgrade to a GTS rear end from AE86 or so. Thanks... -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* P.S. This place is too quiet ;) P.P.S. One last Query...do you feel you Supra owners with ABS and without that your car tends to brake fade ? =) -Koj xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:52:43 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS . . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice calls out . . . (here we go again) Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting + erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe. Ten years ago, when I purchased the pipes, it was a very different world. Bottom line, I picked them up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked. Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these things. Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers. However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for. I'm convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill. I plan on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during cusory inspections also). Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails. Thanks, Clark ps: This is a repost of a note that "apparently" got lost in cyberspace, so mucho apologies if you've already received it. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:21:21 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping Koji writes: >Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? Koji, I've got two comments on this. First, apparently the Highway Safety Commission or "Some Big Goverment Bureaucratic Organization" recently reported that ABS equipped cars are in just as many accidents as non-ABS cars. Knowing the way statistics are distorted its hard for me to quantify what this number actually means. Seems that you'd have to at least normalize it by the number of cars in each catagory. Also, the types of accidents are important, for example rear-end vs front-end, and whose fault it was. At one extreme the non- ABS cars could be hitting the ABS cars and yes from this you could conclude that both types of cars are in the same amount of accidents. Food for thought. Second, I've got a friend on the LAPD. The new Crown Victorias they use come with ABS and they all hate it. He claims that in a pursuit situation the ABS is a hinderance since it interferes with the constructive use of the brakes in some of the radical maneuvers they pull. You might conclude that if you know how to drive (which is subjective) and you've got correctly sized and balanced four-way disks, who needs ABS? I've got it on my 944s2 (had it for 4 years) and have never had it engage in a "panic-stop". I do slam on it now and then just as a check tho. Funny side note: The Victorias come with air bags, which they also hate. Seems the crooks in certain situations will cause the police car to ram their vehicle and set the bags off. Pretty tricky stuff . . Maybe there's nothing really definitive to conclude from all this, just some stuff to think about. >Also with Metallic brake pads and semi metallic ? Bronze metallic are in there >also. The deal with metallics is they'll take alot before they start to fade. Organics under heavy and frequent use will heat to the point where they start to vaporize at the pad/rotor interface and hence "fade. Not good. Metallics, however, will eat rotors like there's no tomorrow. So, if rotors are cheap for your set-up, no problem, just plan on changing them every time you change the pads. Also, metallics aren't the greatest when cold. Once up to temperature tho, they start doing their thing. Semi-metallics are just an attempt compromise between metallics and organics. Current hot ticket is Cool Carbons. They're a kevlar/carbon combo that give you the best of metallics and organics (from what I hear). Lots of thick black dust to!! Buddy has them on his Z and wife's MR-2. Loves them. Paid $100 for the MR-2 set (Toyota wanted $80 for the stock pads!). Bought his from Grimm Performance in Santa Ana, CA 714-642-7839. I hear they're available all over. >P.S. This place is too quiet ;) I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to their cars they can write about!!??!! Regards, Clark xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 16:34:30 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping [re: Crown victorias] I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. Koji and Clark sed: } }>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) } }I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to }their cars they can write about!!??!! I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! How's that? ;-) aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 17:09:21 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) >[re: Crown victorias] > >I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I >mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're >specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the >unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I >literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* >soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified. American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy from them the certain vehicles they fleet. >Koji and Clark sed: >} >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) >} >}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to >}their cars they can write about!!??!! > >I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! >How's that? ;-) > >aaron Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :) Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:37:17 -0800 From: Joe Woodsprite To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping The Oregon State Police found their problems with ABS more driver related. It turns out that when the ABS is engaged there is a slight pulsing in the pedal. Many officers were mistaking that for a loss of brake fluid pressure, and made the mistake of trying to pump the brakes. After several totaled cars nobody is supposed to use these cars for persuit. The loss of the 5.0L Mustangs had something to do with their drivability compaired to the Camaro that replaced them in these parts. I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately. Aside from a new subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything. But here's a question. I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a hotter cam? It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and the wallet gains some weight. :) Any comments are useful as I'm still not used to working on engines with valves. Woodsprite ******************************************************************************* ** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** ** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** ** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** ** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** ** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** ** takes to find her. * * *** ** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** ******************************************************************************* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 02:35:53 -0800 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Subject: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... > >Koji and Clark sed: > >} > >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) > >} > >}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > >}their cars they can write about!!??!! > > > >I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! > >How's that? ;-) > > > >aaron > > Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :) Okay folks, You ask for it, you got it... Toyota (Hmmmm... that sounds very familiar). You want bandwidth, you got it. I am looking at two possible power plants for an either Starlet or 85-87 Corolla. Koji-san and Roger Smith has given quite a few pointers. Here is a couple from Roger: Little known facts: (1) Starlet is probably one of the lightest production RWD cars bar none. My 4AGE Starlet with Driver, spare tire, etc... clocks in at 1900 lbs. (2) Corolla GTS front struts/suspension/calipers/sway bar are easily adapted to starlet. (3) GTS rear axle on a starlet would stick out 3 ins on either side with rims, so body work (Fender Flares from a Golf MK-1 should fit ) is necessary. (4) 78 celica rear end set up looks stock + comes with bigger Drums. (5) Stock starlet Diff will disintegrate under torque from 4AGE (6) The 3SGTE from a Turbo MR2/Celica GT-4 (All trac) is a possibility! (7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet) And two lists of contacts. TRS USA 7901 Ethel Ave. N. Hollywood, CA 91605 Tel: (818)765-5542 Fax: (818)764-1051 Carrera Racing Shocks 5412 New Peachtree Road Atlanta, GA 30341 Orders: (800)RACE-4-IT Suppliers of: Corolla & Starlet parts I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with the following: 1) locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission, rear-end). 2) engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California preferably, but any info would be great). 3) companies who produce adapters to support these mod. 4) aftermarket recommendation: a) cams b) exhaust c) suspension c) carburetion/EFI mods d) alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers, etc...) e) any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics, wheels, seats, steering wheel, etc... not a priority but nice anemities to have) This little project of mine is to build a sleeper. Quiet but effective. More like in the lines of "silent but deadly"... hmmm, sounds like a vicious fart *ha ha* (sorry guys, poor Hawaii humor). It would be nice to humble some Z28's and 5.0l Mustangs, as well as chasing Porsches through the corners without spending the big bucks they do. *grin* Been brainstorming, cogs are in motion but definitely could use gray matter from another source. I got the NEED, the need for SPEED. Mahalo, Allan Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:02:43 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re Headers Wanted ! >From SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Wed Feb 9 14:13:47 1994 >Subject: Help Me With My Quest - HEADERS >. . and as a pall of eerie silence falls over the t-mods group a voice >calls out . . . Wow... sum bunny speaks !!! > (here we go again) Beers to ya ! =) >Alright, as some of you well know, the headers on my 20R suffered pitting + >erosive corrosion at the bends and so I had to, under great duress, swap back >in the *gag* stock manifold and collection pipe. Ten years ago, when I >purchased the pipes, it was a very different world. Bottom line, I picked them >up in Santa Monica for something like $35, no questions asked. Welps 10 years ago such matters were still "legal" I belive so there was no big thing about it. Wow $35 !!! Wow.... >Now, some cursory research indicates a) TRD will give me a chromed set-up with >injection ports for around $300 b) Hooker won't fit the bill, they hang low >I hear anyway c) regardless of what I do I'll have to have them sent to some >out-of-state intermediary since Californa has become such a stickler on these >things. You are right the Hooker headers for the car sit way too low without any modifications to it. You could take it to a shop though and have them rebend the sukkers so they don't hang that low. TRD's "Headers" for the 20R are jus the Doug Thorley headers. Nothing special and nothing grand. Ummm another company makes headers umm.. Pacesetter ? no.. Errrr.... Hedman, Hooker, Pacesetter (i belive), Doug Thorley, and someone else... Remind me tommorow and i'll check with it more. One way to get around it is to order it from another state and have it or pick it up there at the manufacter or such. Have it sent to whereever. Ha ha =) >Presently I could continue making cold calls to other potential suppliers. >However, having this tremendous group as a resource, I'd like to narrow my >search (and save some time and $$) and appeal to anyone who might have their >own source to reccommend plus any warnings on what to look out for. I'm >convinced TRD is very credible, but chrome is a bit of an overkill. I plan >on wrapping them anyway (thermal insulation) and modifying the preheat stove >so I can savage its function (nice way to cover them to avoid detection during >cusory inspections also). The Chrome is Doug Thorleys Design.. check Toysport in Nevada or in Cali if they are still there they carry a few... >Yes, I will resort to the source list in the monthly if all else fails. Monthly listing ? =) You mean ya supposed to read that =) >Thanks, Clark Anytime Buddy =) >ps: This is a repost of a note that "apparently" got lost in cyberspace, so >mucho apologies if you've already received it. Sounds like my mailer here in Hawaii...messages come in all delayed !!! -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:16:51 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Serious Stopping Brake Query ! >>From SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Wed Feb 9 14:23:18 1994 >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >>Koji: Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? > (*Deleted stuff about Highway Safety Comission that was VERY Informative *) >Second, I've got a friend on the LAPD. The new Crown Victorias they use come >with ABS and they all hate it. He claims that in a pursuit situation the >ABS is a hinderance since it interferes with the constructive use of the brakes >in some of the radical maneuvers they pull. You might conclude that if you >know how to drive (which is subjective) and you've got correctly sized and >balanced four-way disks, who needs ABS? I've got it on my 944s2 (had it for 4 >years) and have never had it engage in a "panic-stop". I do slam on it now and >then just as a check tho. I belive that is true about knowing how to drive i.e. knowing how to stop. However most people do not and in "panic stops" even >I< have a "painic reaction" to jus jam on the brakes hard cause there is no time. However most of the cars (and toyotas) don't have disc brakes except for the sports cars. This was one point. I agree drivers in the racing curcuits do not like the idea of ABS brakes due to driver feel and control. They do however help a lot in an Autocrossing type setup but they do even fade during then. It was just a thought i was thinking about. You are correct about ABS interfering with "radical" moves that the PD may have to pull such as "bootleggers reverses" and "180 degree turns" etc etc. However this is in "emergency situations" and well... most police pursuits are not "looked highly upon" due to those crashes etc etc... I know down here in Hawaii Police Officers do not pursue any speeds after 100mph for safety reasons (plus the roads are too damm short and the radios dang faster) >Funny side note: The Victorias come with air bags, which they also hate. Seems >the crooks in certain situations will cause the police car to ram their vehicle >and set the bags off. Pretty tricky stuff . . Heh I saw that COPS Episode !!!! >Maybe there's nothing really definitive to conclude from all this, just some >stuff to think about. Maybe not but it is wasting bandwidth ! =) >>Koji: Brake pads. Metallic, semi metallic or Bronze metallic ? > (*Infomation on brake pads plus/minus again VERY informative*) >Current hot ticket is Cool Carbons. They're a kevlar/carbon combo that give >you the best of metallics and organics (from what I hear). Lots of thick black >dust to!! Buddy has them on his Z and wife's MR-2. Loves them. Paid $100 >for the MR-2 set (Toyota wanted $80 for the stock pads!). Bought his from >Grimm Performance in Santa Ana, CA 714-642-7839. I hear they're available >all over. I heard about them on the racing curcuit but had no feed back on them yet. Oh welps... Guess I'll have to buy some ! >>>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) >I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to >their cars they can write about!!??!! Heh... maybe its too cold to do any work ! >Regards, Clark -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:25:46 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: A question of stopping Koji writes: >Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? Koji, I had abs on my '91 turbo and was nervous about using the car on the track. I called toyota up about this and they told me that they don't use abs on their race cars! For me, on the track it got in the way - things I have read indicate that on the road under advers conditions abs will help the average driver, on the track it will get in the way. Braking is most efficient when the tire is sliding a little bit. I ten to agree with this. I had hoped that toyota would follow Audi's lead and make the ABS system switchable. As far as brake shoes - I have used Repco metal Masters for > 10 years, on lots of different cars, and have really liked them. They do not destroy rotors as quickly as full metalic pads, they don't need to get to hot to work properly, they stop well, and they last. These coupled with bleeding the brakes frequently - before and after every track event seem to work well BTW I use Castrol LMA brake fluid ( Dot 4) Ray B. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:31:08 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Brakes and the HPD =) >>From garyh@sco.COM Wed Feb 9 15:02:55 1994 >>From: Gary H > >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >>From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) >>[re: Crown victorias] >>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I >>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're >>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the >>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I >>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* >>soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ? I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers. The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro. The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National. Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore. The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =) Since then the local cop cars down here are allowed to make modifications to their engine and even change rim size and allow rims. There is a Buick Grand National running around with a T-06 Turbo and several cops use NOS in their Camaros etc (big story another time) Common cop cars down here were the Monte Carlos of the SS variety but scrapped or those with them modified their engines and changed rims etc etc. Buicks of all types and Supercharged Cougars are popular. Mustangs and Camros and even Ford Explorers. Funny story about my friend being pulled over in his RX-7 Turbo II by a ford explorer on H-3 (Allan's rolling on the ground now) Just be glad ya don't live in Hawaii cause speeding is serious work down here espically when they dispatced some 40 extra cops to the Windward side of the island where Allanc used to live and I still do =) to curb "speeding abuses by drivers on the windward side" heh.. =) I.E. My next door neighbors one of their friends is a cop and i raced his Supercharged cougar when he first got it, I won non to say the least... the other day he pulled up in a Buick T Type and asked me for a rematch. Ha ha I don't think so... ha ha ha ... >When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified. >American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy >from them the certain vehicles they fleet. Yep yep.. the victoria's come with the heavy duty suspension set up and higher output motor and beefier transmission. >>Koji and Clark sed: >>}P.S. This place is too quiet ;) >>}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to their >>}cars they can write about!!??!! >>I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! >>How's that? ;-) Wow... Wax or polish ? =) I smell another debate comming on =) >>aaron >Ok, aaron, I know this was directed at me! :) >Gary -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 02:37:15 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Braking and Cop Cars / Julie ! >From lantera@CSOS.ORST.EDU Wed Feb 9 22:38:11 1994 >From: Joe Woodsprite >Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >The Oregon State Police found their problems with ABS more driver related. It >turns out that when the ABS is engaged there is a slight pulsing in the pedal. >Many officers were mistaking that for a loss of brake fluid pressure, and made >the mistake of trying to pump the brakes. After several totaled cars nobody >is supposed to use these cars for persuit. The loss of the 5.0L Mustangs had >something to do with their drivability compaired to the Camaro that replaced >them in these parts. BTW so what do they use for pursuit ????!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ? >I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately. Aside from a new >subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything. But here's a >question. I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to >figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a >hotter cam? It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and >the wallet gains some weight. :) Any comments are useful as I'm still not used >to working on engines with valves. OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =) Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest. Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it. (Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-) >Woodsprite Aloha... >****************************************************************************** >** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** >** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** >** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** >** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** >** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** >** takes to find her. * * *** >** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** >****************************************************************************** So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car so you can check her out ? =) -Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 05:01:50 -0800 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam , Subject: Re: Brakes and the HPD =) On Feb 10, 2:31am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote: > Subject: Brakes and the HPD =) > > >>From garyh@sco.COM Wed Feb 9 15:02:55 1994 > >>From: Gary H > > >>Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping > > >>From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) > > >>[re: Crown victorias] > > >>I can't see the reasoning behind police chosing Crown Victorias. I > >>mean, of all 'performance' cruisers, a Victoria??! Unless they're > >>specially modified, those things drive like an oceanliner. I had the > >>unfortunate experience in driving a rental once...what a heap! I > >>literally got seasick driving because the suspension was *so damn* > >>soft. I don't see that many 5.0L cop Mustangs anymore either. > > Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ? I know Vegas has Camaro Z28. > I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police > Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their > "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers. It sure will save taxpayer money... Have you seen those new recruits, they were derelicts from my high school past. You know what they say... it takes one to catch one. > The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a > 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another > master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro. > The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National. Hey, I remember that I got pulled over by a Grand National... when I once owned an IROC-Z (My Yellow Banana). > Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the > camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore. > The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and > then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared > and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =) So the lasers are in effect... Shoots, I guess that Solo I purchased ain't worth shit when I go back home (Hawaii). Yup, I still remember the announcement when Police Chief Nakamura announced the Camaro they were using. What pisses me off was his emphasis on busting speeders... I think this police chief got his priorities wrong. Collecting revenue for the State of Hawaii is important but we as taxpayers have more important things to worry about... like protection from crime. > Since then the local cop cars down here are allowed to make modifications > to their engine and even change rim size and allow rims. There is a Buick > Grand National running around with a T-06 Turbo and several cops use NOS > in their Camaros etc (big story another time) Allen, remember that story when the gas stipend for these guys were so big that they were able to have literally race cars on the street. Do you recall that big motor black Nova that would race people. Story has it that if you won, you do not receive a ticket... but, if you are caught you were fined through your ass. (This was during my hotrod days... kinda early 80ish) > Common cop cars down here were the Monte Carlos of the SS variety but scrapped > or those with them modified their engines and changed rims etc etc. Buicks > of all types and Supercharged Cougars are popular. Mustangs and Camros and > even Ford Explorers. Funny story about my friend being pulled over in his > RX-7 Turbo II by a ford explorer on H-3 (Allan's rolling on the ground now) I am, I am... stop, spare me, please stop *ha ha* > Just be glad ya don't live in Hawaii cause speeding is serious work down > here espically when they dispatced some 40 extra cops to the Windward > side of the island where Allanc used to live and I still do =) to curb > "speeding abuses by drivers on the windward side" heh.. =) Hey Allen, please ensure my baby brother is taking really good care of my GT-S... and not to bring up noterity with it please!!! > I.E. My next door neighbors one of their friends is a cop and i raced his > Supercharged cougar when he first got it, I won non to say the least... > the other day he pulled up in a Buick T Type and asked me for a rematch. Ha ha > I don't think so... ha ha ha ... Oh great, my friend Greg just graduated from the Police Academy and is working in the Kaneohe side. Wait, wait... Hmmmmm... he could fix my speeding tickets *ha ha* As for your friend with the T-Type, ask him to race you through the corners... let's say 13 turns or Tantalus and see who comes out swinging. > >When the police get the Victorias, they are usually heavily modified. > >American companies also fleet their vehicles so its more economical to buy > >from them the certain vehicles they fleet. > > Yep yep.. the victoria's come with the heavy duty suspension set up and > higher output motor and beefier transmission. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:14:42 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping > >P.S. This place is too quiet ;) > > I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > their cars they can write about!!??!! > > Regards, Clark > Not really. I'm painting the garage floor over at my sister's old place, where I'm going to move the race car to. (Ugh, what a sentence!) I am working on rejetting the carb though. I have the Synchronous Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs. Looks like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air, because I'm running way rich. I think that was why the car started failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago. Any ideas on jetting? Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:26:21 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping > I agree with Koji and Clark that it's been too quiet lately. Aside from a new > subwoofer added to my upgraded stereo, I haven't done anything. But here's a > question. I'd like to get some more power out of my 22R and am trying to > figgure out which will give me the most bang for the buck, a new carb or a > hotter cam? It will pro bably be a summer project, after the rains leave and > the wallet gains some weight. :) Any comments are useful as I'm still not > used to working on engines with valves. > > Woodsprite Adding a better carb (I recommend the Weber 32/36) is definetly the better way to go. However, you really won't see any big improvement without doing carb/cam/header together. Also, if you get the new cam, be sure to get the head work done (_mild_ surfacing and valve job) and install the double spring set. Now you're talking more power! (Now you're talking big bucks!). Koji: Recommend a good cam! Also, what size header? (I'd say 1 5/8", sound about right?) Anyone: Got ideas on prices for this stuff? Head work: $65 (Depending on where you are. Shop around and get recommendations.) Carb: My dual 38 with all the stock-conversion adapters was $400. 32/36 should be quite a bit cheaper. Headers:??? Cam:??? Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:43:28 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Hawaii names I know two peeples from Hawaii and both are Allan/Allen. They run out of names down there? Somebody should tell them they can go on to "b" names if they get tired of "a" names! (Mayber there's no "b" in the Hawaiian alphabet, so they're not sure which letter to use next!) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 06:33:01 -0800 To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer), Subject: Re: Hawaii names On Feb 10, 8:43am, Chris Myer wrote: > Subject: Hawaii names > I know two peeples from Hawaii and both are Allan/Allen. But Allan Chen has been transplanted in Norther Cal (Bay Area). Allen Kam is on the island of Oahu in Hawaii. > They run out of names down there? Yup, both our parents lost creativity, those names on the Soap Operas just did not appeal to them *ha ha*. They seem to have brought us up alike, Toyota fanatics with backgrounds in Chevys. Hmmm... hey Allen, we could be long lost brothers or something *ha ha*. > Somebody should tell them they can go on to "b" names if they get tired of "a" > names! "b" names, Hmmm... like "b" movies, buffy, biff, bubba, bozo, bullshit, bagong (Filipino fermented fish paste, smells bad but taste great), bruddah (Hawaiian pidgin slang for brother)... > (Mayber there's no "b" in the Hawaiian alphabet, so they're not sure which > letter to use next!) Duuuuhhhh, "z"???? :^) * heh heh... how about if we refer to Allen Kam as Koji or Koji-san, and myself ummm, hmmmm... Hey, Koji can you think of a slang? Latas, Allan Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping } > }I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > }their cars they can write about!!??!! > > I'm awake!! I just waxed my car, and BOY, does it *SHINE*! > How's that? ;-) > > aaron I'm awake and shivering too!!! My car has so much winter crud on it I can hardly see what color it is!! Does anyone make an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch? I see them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the fuse. There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't want ABS, so a switch might be nice. By the way, ABS and traction control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable. Of course, such techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season. Jon xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:11:37 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: AllenC Query for A Starlet >From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Thu Feb 10 00:36:44 1994 >From: "Allan Chen" >Subject: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... > >Koji and Clark sed: > >}>P.S. This place is too quiet ;) > >}I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to > >}thier cars they can write about!!??!! >Okay folks, > You ask for it, you got it... Toyota (Hmmmm... that sounds very >familiar). You want bandwidth, you got it. Techonology on a Fast Track ! Go Toyota ! > I am looking at two possible power plants for an either Starlet or >85-87 Corolla. Koji-san and Roger Smith has given quite a few pointers. Here >is a couple from Roger: OooOOoooOOOooOoo >Little known facts: >(1) Starlet is probably one of the lightest production RWD cars bar none. >My 4AGE Starlet with Driver, spare tire, etc... clocks in at 1900 lbs. The starlet is a well balanced and designed car. A Perfect sleeper car stock. It has all the good suspension and enigne basics to be deceptively fast. The K-series motor is an impressive motor as its self. They properly built can rev up to 11k rpm and turn a 14 second quater mile. A 2.0 T series motor a direct drop in can rocket this car into the 10 second brackets like shown in NYC where they do their street racing. >(2) Corolla GTS front struts/suspension/calipers/sway bar are easily >adapted to starlet. Of course..it is a "Corolla" just in another shape and model =) >(3) GTS rear axle on a starlet would stick out 3 ins on either side with >rims, so body work (Fender Flares from a Golf MK-1 should fit ) is >necessary. Yes they do as the fender flairs from the M3 also fit. There are several body kits for the car in Japan. The GTS rear "end" would also fit but its a mounting type thing. Depening on your offset of your rims and all. It might not be that bad. >(4) 78 celica rear end set up looks stock + comes with bigger Drums. Yes it does, a 1969 Carina has the biggest drums however they are alumunium and may warp. But why do you want drums when ya can have disc ? See Brake Query =) The 1978 rear end is still a 8 bolt i belive maybe ya should go up a 10 or such since rear end gears get cheaper the newer you go =) maybe a Cressida one or a Supra one ? =) >(5) Stock starlet Diff will disintegrate under torque from 4AGE Well...What do ya expect ? Actually with "normal" driving its a direct bolt in motor and it shouldn't be THAT bad if you drive "normally" =) You Babooze ! >(6) The 3SGTE from a Turbo MR2/Celica GT-4 (All trac) is a possibility! The GT-4 motor is a good motor because its a "squared motor" however that is not a direct drop in and might require thought and extra trans work as due to it being a "midengine" type motor or a "front wheel" drive with the GT-4 (I still say a GT-4 is a front wheel drive due to the way the car feels and handles due to the vicious coupling no matter what any bunny says) >(7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet >from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique >in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a >couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there >for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet) Thats proably the best else not there are several places in CA that offer fiberglass parts for cars. Not sure if they have Starlets in mind but they make parts or full bodies. A&A Specialties - Placenta CA, Advanced Composite products and techonoloy - Hunting Beach CA, Aerocraft MFG - Salinas CA, Aircraft Spruce & Speciality co. - Fullerton CA, California Rods 'N Racers - Templeton CA, JAZ Products - Santa Paula, CA, Matt & Glass Race car bodies - Merced CA, The Drop Shop - Chino CA, Baker Precision Berings - Long Beach CA, Davis Motorsports - San Jose CA - De Nunzio Racing Products - Goleta CA, Dick Cepek INC - Carson CA, Ebling Engineering - S El Monte CA, K&P Manufacturing - Azusa CA, Kaeding Performance inc Campbell CA, Race Ready Products - Chula Vista CA, and Tognotti's Auto World in Sacramento CA. (like you really wanted to know that !) > And two lists of contacts. > TRS USA > Carrera Racing Shocks Wow Carrera is still making parts for the Starlet ? Thats mind boggling, I had a sales rep tell me they were discontinuing their Toyota line...oh welps I guess not ! > I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with >the following: > 1) locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission, > rear-end). I can give you another big list but its proably easier to look in the yellow pages or call RJ at TRD or some local shop and ask them who brings in imported motors from japan. I remeber a big add in a cali sunday paper before. > 2) engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California > preferably, but any info would be great). Again call RJ and ask for references..or even jump on the rec.autos list or rec.auto.carstereo or what ever and look for Harry Kimura and ask him for a list of people. > 3) companies who produce adapters to support these mod. Adapters =) I got another big list but best refer to someone in Cali... > 4) aftermarket recommendation: For which motor ? =) > c) suspension For what purpose ? Spirited Street Driving ? Drag ? > c) carburetion/EFI mods EFI if you can keep it. If not a Carb set up or a Haltech system The Haltech is quite cheap now. =) If not just put in Supra Injectors or celica injectors into the GTS EFI > d) alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers, > etc...) Trust makes a turbo Kit for the 4AGE and there is a stroker kit. Which motor ? =) > e) any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics,wheels, > seats, steering wheel, etc... not a priority but nice > anemities to have) No Comment ;) > This little project of mine is to build a sleeper. Quiet but >effective. More like in the lines of "silent but deadly"... hmmm, sounds like a >vicious fart *ha ha* (sorry guys, poor Hawaii humor). It would be nice to >humble some Z28's and 5.0l Mustangs, as well as chasing Porsches through the >corners without spending the big bucks they do. *grin* Easy to do... Just shove a 2.0 3TC motor in and you will be untouchable now. run a EFI if ya gonna go street racing there. More Stealth. > Been brainstorming, cogs are in motion but definitely could use gray >matter from another source. Pick a body and decide if you want bottom end or top or for what purpose ? > I got the NEED, the need for SPEED. How serious ya wanna get =) >Mahalo, >Allan Chen - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:32:59 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Braking >From bahrr@pictel.com Thu Feb 10 02:27:15 1994 >From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) >Subject: A question of stopping >>Koji writes: >>Does anyone have a preference between ABS and non ABS systems ? >Koji, >I had abs on my '91 turbo and was nervous about using the car on the track. Phobia ??!!?! >I called toyota up about this and they told me that they don't use abs on >their race cars! Of course not..they have such wonderous things as dual pistion calipers and such... they don't need ABS !!! =) >For me, on the track it got in the way - things I have read indicate that >on the road under advers conditions abs will help the average > driver, on the track it will get in the way. Braking is most efficient when >the tire is sliding a little bit. I ten to agree with this. The Driver has a lot to do with it..but a decent driver in a good car will beat a excellent driver with a decent car. >I had hoped that toyota would follow Audi's lead and make the ABS >system switchable. Well they do have the traction control toggled on the Newer Supra's. It works better with it off cause it shuts down power so if you are used to powering out of things don't try it. It shuts down the computer and such so you become a brick and don't panic into a spin or worse for the adverage driver. >As far as brake shoes - I have used Repco metal Masters for > 10 years, on lots of different cars, and have really liked them. Ahhh Full Metal Brakes... I used them for a while...can't rember why I switched though. >They do not destroy rotors as quickly as full metalic pads, they don't >need to get to hot to work properly, they stop well, and they last. I think mines warped come o think of it... or i had to my rotors often. >These coupled with bleeding the brakes frequently - before and after >every track event seem to work well. Thats simple stuff recommended before ANY MEET. I try and bleed my brakes at least once a month or when it looks dark. Pain in the butt but worth it not fading ! >BTW I use Castrol LMA brake fluid ( Dot 4) Me too ! I like the Dot 4 ! =) >Ray B. *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Brian Goble Subject: Plans for my '88 Supra Turbo To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, supras@vicor.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 9:36:44 PST As many of you may recall, I added an HKS Turbo Exhaust and K&N FilterCharger to my '88 Supra Turbo. In addition, I got hooked an autoxing after doing two events at the end of last summer. Now I'm going to make a few handling improvements (I hope they're improvements!) as I plan to do more autx (Solo II) events when they start up again this Spring. On another note, I recently changed jobs so now my Supra is my daily driver (I use to drive it only 2-3 times per week). Here's my plan: (note, I also want to stay in the stock class) New Tires! The current tires came new with the car when I bought it. They are some HR no-name brand and I don't like them very much. I also want to go with a slightly lower profile tire to lower the car 1/4" or so (stock rules don't allow other types of lowering). I realize this would decrease top speed but increase acceleration slightly (anything else?). I also want to go with a slightly wider tire in the rear. So, I'll want something nice and sticky for autox but still usable as a daily driver (I'm not gonna buy seperate wheels/tires yet :) New shocks! I think the shocks on there now are original. The problem is that if I want to keep TEMS hooked-up, I have to go with original toyota stock shocks to stay in the stock autox class. (and I do want to keep TEMS hooked-up--even though I could go with manually adjustable shocks). Anybody know if there were stiffer shocks available as an option on the type III Supra from Toyota? Stiffer Front Sway-Bar Bushings! From some pictures we took it seemed I was getting excessive body roll so I figured stiffer bushings would be a quick and easy way to reduce it at least a little bit. Rules don't allow me to touch the rear. Alignment! The car probably needs the front end adjusted slightly and I might even go for more autox-style camber (or is it caster? or toe-in?) settings. Well, that's what I'm thinking of doing...I would love to get some feedback from people. What's everybody else doing? Thanx... -Brian ('88 Supra Turbo) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 07:54:10 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Hawaii Stuff (disreguard sorta) >From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Thu Feb 10 03:02:38 1994 >From: "Allan Chen" > >>In-Reply-To: Allen T "Koji" Kam > >> "Brakes and the HPD =)" (Feb 10, 2:31am) >>On Feb 10, 2:31am, Allen T Koji Kam wrote: >> Subject: Brakes and the HPD =) >> >> (*Crown Victorias and Mustangs and Camaro stuff deleted *) >> Really ? Mustangs are out up there ? Even the HO Police Specials ? > I know Vegas has Camaro Z28. The New Camaros seem to be the "in car" again for the Cops. I guess Ford has to come out and revamp their Mustangs ? =) Sorry i meant previous the 94 v-6 version... however i did see 2 cops driving around them down here =) >> I know down here the new things are since 1988 the Local Honolulu Police >> Department (HPD) decided to let officers drive their personal cars as their >> "work vehicles" due to better upkeep and less abuse on the cruisers. >It sure will save taxpayer money... Have you seen those new recruits, >they were derelicts from my high school past. You know what they say... it >takes one to catch one. Yep I guess so. Even former Toyboy "Mike Mahi" is now a HPD officer. He had a 1986 GTS with Sprinter Taillights and full suspension and minor intake mods. (David Chang too) >> The first car went to a Master Sgt in the Waikiki Area who drove a >> 1988 White GTA with the highoutput package. The second went to another >> master SGT at the Kailua Police station with his Police Special Camaro. >> The third went to some Pearl city cop with a Grand National. > Hey, I remember that I got pulled over by a Grand National... when I >once owned an IROC-Z (My Yellow Banana). Wow.. I remeber crusing along at about 120 or so in my friends Corolla and out of the blue these two headlights appered out of no where and blue lights started a flashing. A Grand National had caught us. We didnt get a ticket though =) thank god for friends on the force =) Hmmm I also remeber out running a Monte Carlo and a Camaro with my Corolla about 2 years ago when they didnt "allow" any mods.. =) >> Now a days the newer type camaros are the choice by cops. Yes Allan, the >> camaros are back and they have Laser guns. No out running them anymore. >> The HPD had a camaro from a "drug bust" and they painted it black and >> then put it out into service as a "stealth" car. This was pomptly discared >> and the engine modified since it was being outrun by cars =) > So the lasers are in effect... Shoots, I guess that Solo I purchased >ain't worth shit when I go back home (Hawaii). Yup, I still remember the >announcement when Police Chief Nakamura announced the Camaro they were using. > What pisses me off was his emphasis on busting speeders... I think this police >chief got his priorities wrong. Collecting revenue for the State of Hawaii is >important but we as taxpayers have more important things to worry about... like >protection from crime. Yep.. buy a Bell Laser... it don't help much. The only thing that sorta saves you from the Solo bikers is that they put up a "flare" on the side of the road and tag you as you go past. This is at night =) Day time comming back from a track right by my house my laser detector went off like crazy comming down the big Hill By Kalaheo (sorry folks i know this is 'wierd') and it went off like crazy 5 times.... Appearently had a cop down there shooting his laser gun. One good thing about the detectors. When they go off it means someones shooting a laser gun and the sigal is boucning all over the place =) Invest in A Detector...it helps when you get into that "road happy" mode of driving =) >> (*stuffs deleted*) > Allen, remember that story when the gas stipend for these guys were so >big that they were able to have literally race cars on the street. Do you >recall that big motor black Nova that would race people. Story has it that if >you won, you do not receive a ticket... but, if you are caught you were fined >through your ass. (This was during my hotrod days... kinda early 80ish) Heh i remeber that car well. Lucky i wasn't driving much then cause it pulled over like my older brother and such. Back when I was in high school in 1986-88 Sandy Beach was still a hot spot and Diamond head and the only thing you had to watch out for was the corolla white coupe that if you raced him and won he would shoot at you ! Lucky you don't live in Hawaii ! (However i don't wanna chance a mainland thing now either ! dangerous !) BTW Do the color of your car in the Mainland US make a difference ? Do they really shoot at you if you have a "blue" or "red" car ? If so i'm messed. - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 10:28:28 PST From: "Allan Chen" > >(7) You can get a really cool complete wide arch Body kit for the starlet >from a company in Barbados for US $700-800 that is guaranted to be unique >in North America... (I am getting one in a couple of weeks), -- I sent a >couple of pictures for chris to put on the mosaic server, so check there >for a picture of the "WYSE shoppers" starlet) What's the IP address for Chris' mosaic server? I will submit a picture of my 82 Celica with the body kit in the future. My M3 (lowered with the Enduro 3/S rims) are on the BMW mosaic server (yup, that would be me behind the wheel). If anyone wants to see it, contact me and I'll dig up the address. Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: tomj@orl.mmc.com Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:30:08 -0500 From: Tom Julien >What's the IP address for Chris' mosaic server? I will submit a picture >of my 82 Celica with the body kit in the future. Chris's IP address is su102a.ess.harris.com (192.107.163.6), but what I think you want to know is the URL for the mosaic server: http://su102.ess.harris.com /************************************************************* Thomas J. Julien E-Mail: tomj@orl.mmc.com Engineer, Image Processing Lab Tel: 407-356-3442 Martin Marietta Corp. Fax: 407-356-8944 *************************************************************/ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: tomj@orl.mmc.com Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:33:57 -0500 From: Tom Julien > http://su102.ess.harris.com Sorry, there's suppose to be an 'a' after 'su102' : http://su102a.ess.harris.com /************************************************************* Thomas J. Julien E-Mail: tomj@orl.mmc.com Engineer, Image Processing Lab Tel: 407-356-3442 Martin Marietta Corp. Fax: 407-356-8944 *************************************************************/ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Ehab Aljandali Subject: Re: Plans for my '88 Supra Turbo To: goble@maxwell.ee.washington.edu (Brian Goble) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:20:37 PST Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, supras@vicor.com > > As many of you may recall, I added an HKS Turbo Exhaust and K&N FilterCharger > to my '88 Supra Turbo. In addition, I got hooked an autoxing after doing > two events at the end of last summer. > > Now I'm going to make a few handling improvements (I hope they're > improvements!) as I plan to do more autx (Solo II) events when > they start up again this Spring. > > On another note, I recently changed jobs so now my Supra is my > daily driver (I use to drive it only 2-3 times per week). > > Here's my plan: (note, I also want to stay in the stock class) > > New Tires! The current tires came new with the car when I bought it. > They are some HR no-name brand and I don't like them very much. I > also want to go with a slightly lower profile tire to lower the car > 1/4" or so (stock rules don't allow other types of lowering). I realize > this would decrease top speed but increase acceleration slightly (anything > else?). I also want to go with a slightly wider tire in the rear. So, > I'll want something nice and sticky for autox but still usable as a daily > driver (I'm not gonna buy seperate wheels/tires yet :) > > New shocks! I think the shocks on there now are original. The problem > is that if I want to keep TEMS hooked-up, I have to go with original > toyota stock shocks to stay in the stock autox class. (and I do want to > keep TEMS hooked-up--even though I could go with manually adjustable > shocks). Anybody know if there were stiffer shocks available as an > option on the type III Supra from Toyota? > > Stiffer Front Sway-Bar Bushings! From some pictures we took it seemed > I was getting excessive body roll so I figured stiffer bushings would > be a quick and easy way to reduce it at least a little bit. Rules don't > allow me to touch the rear. > > Alignment! The car probably needs the front end adjusted slightly and > I might even go for more autox-style camber (or is it caster? or toe-in?) > settings. > > Well, that's what I'm thinking of doing...I would love to get some > feedback from people. What's everybody else doing? > > Thanx... > -Brian ('88 Supra Turbo) > Hi Brian, How are you? I may help you here. I recommend Yok tires, I think they have special Autox tires. They are very cheap, but may wear real fast. Try getting Dunlop D40M2, they are on sale at many mail orders. Try 225/50/16 f, 245/45/16. Get VR rated to save money, Although I recommend ZR for their stiffer side walls. Set your camber to -1.00 degrees front and -0.6 rear. Toe in at 0 allway around. As you know, I had lots of problems with my TEMS Tockico shocks. They were way too stiff(I am getting my money back, they are a great company). Get Toyota stock shocks, You can then remove the TEMS servos(two screws at each corner) and manually set the shock to stiff and keep the servos disconnected for the event. HKS and Trust make super nice manual adjus shocks, but they cost about $800. You can get Teflon bushings for the front and rear. I thought you can put a new sawybar in the rear? As you know, raise the tire pressure to 42-46 PSI and make sure the front is at least 2 psi higher. I am about to install my HKS PFC-FCON and hopefully get 15 safe psi and 350 HP! Call me if you want! Good luck, Ehab. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 15:21:34 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Hawaii Stuff (disreguard sorta) > thing you had to watch out for was the corolla white coupe that if you > raced him and won he would shoot at you ! Lucky you don't live in Hawaii ! > (However i don't wanna chance a mainland thing now either ! dangerous !) > > BTW Do the color of your car in the Mainland US make a difference ? Do they > really shoot at you if you have a "blue" or "red" car ? If so i'm messed. > > - Allen T "Koji" Kam Welcome to Florida, where they shoot the Tourists regardless of the car! Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:19:03 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Chris's Richness ! >From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Thu Feb 10 03:15:05 1994 From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) >> I agree. HEY EVERYBODY!! WAKE-UP!!!! Somebody must be doing something to >> their cars they can write about!!??!! >Not really. I'm painting the garage floor over at my sister's old >place, where I'm going to move the race car to. (Ugh, what a sentence!) Wow at least ya have some place to store it ! I got an open air parking space and i live 4 blocks from the ocean fun fun fun ! >I am working on rejetting the carb though. I have the Synchronous >Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs. Looks >like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air, >because I'm running way rich. I think that was why the car started >failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago. My next jet size up is a drill bit =) To down jet ya could proably do an old racers trick and run the smallest jets and chokes so you have great bottom end thats about it... >Any ideas on jetting? Its not a timing thing ? Open up the gap on ya spark plugs and fuss with timing ?? =) >Chris - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:30:22 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Woodsprites Quest for Power >From cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Thu Feb 10 03:27:04 1994 >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 08:26:21 EST >From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) >Woodsprite asks for more bang from his 22R >Adding a better carb (I recommend the Weber 32/36) is definetly the >better way to go. However, you really won't see any big improvement >without doing carb/cam/header together. Also, if you get the new cam, >be sure to get the head work done (_mild_ surfacing and valve job) and >install the double spring set. Now you're talking more power! (Now >you're talking big bucks!). >Koji: Recommend a good cam! Also, what size header? (I'd say 1 5/8", >sound about right?) For the 22R motors the headers can be a good 1 5/8 or so and just Scavvange it up to 2" muffler or so. I can't recommend a good size header or exhaust because of those Emission things. I do know that if >I< were to do it >I< would take a good header that don't hang that low (don't leave a lot) and just use a "scavvenging" effect on your exhaust to a bigger pipe. You get increased horsepower with the max flow possible. An example of this is like a 1 5/8 inch header into a 1 5/8 pipe and going into a maybe 2 inch glass pack muffler with a 2 1/2 outlet or so. Or just some effect like that. Any DECENT exhaust shop should or can do this. Just take it to some racer place and have them do it. They SHOULD know whats best for your car. If you have to errrr "lie" (lack of the proper vocabulary word) then do so and say its for offroad use only or autocross or something =) >Anyone: Got ideas on prices for this stuff? >Carb: My dual 38 with all the stock-conversion adapters was $400. >32/36 should be quite a bit cheaper. Consult Redline / Weber if you have to. They are based in Compton CA. >Headers:??? Pacesetter, Hooker, Headman, Doug Thorley and two others i can't remeber their names. >Cam:??? Gears would be a cheaper way to go keeping your car emission safe and proably the best bang for the buck =) >Chris - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 11:42:36 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: ABS Switch and Winter Rubber >From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420) >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST >Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >I'm awake and shivering too!!! My car has so much winter crud >on it I can hardly see what color it is!! I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ? >Does anyone make an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch? I see >them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the >fuse. There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't >want ABS, so a switch might be nice. By the way, ABS and traction >control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would >have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable. Of course, such >techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season. Hmmmm I do know people who "by pass" or even remove the ABS systems... not sure if they make a by pass.... Ya but F1 racing don't compare to GTP Racing ! Whoops... what GTP racing ;) >Jon - Allen T "Koji" Kam >From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420) >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 09:37:24 EST >Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping >I'm awake and shivering too!!! My car has so much winter crud >on it I can hardly see what color it is!! I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ? >Does anyone make an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch? I see >them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the >fuse. There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't >want ABS, so a switch might be nice. By the way, ABS and traction >control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would >have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable. Of course, such >techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season. Hmmmm I do know people who "by pass" or even remove the ABS systems... not sure if they make a by pass.... Ya but F1 racing don't compare to GTP Racing ! Whoops... what GTP racing ;) >Jon - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:09:43 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: ABS >Does anyone make an ABS equipped car with a 'defeat' switch? I see >them for traction control, but for ABS it seems you have to pull the >fuse. There seems to be a small number of circumstances that you don't >want ABS, so a switch might be nice. By the way, ABS and traction >control have both been used extensively in F1 this year, so I would >have to conclude that even for racing it is desirable. Of course, such >techno niceties have been banned for the 1994 F1 season. > And now my .02. Despite what people might suggest, ABS is a deffinite plus in motor racing, especially in situations where you are trying to outbrake a competitor. Note however that ABS is implemented differently on different cars. For example, many cars only have 2 wheel ABS, (in which the Front wheels are controlled). Some have 4 wheel ABS with DRUM/DISC Arangements, on a F1/BTCC race car with a locked/high performance limited slip differential,the ABS system might be hooked into the engine ecu. (Go read the article in the Byte magazine that featured the TAG (Mclaren) engine management system). The chevy corvet has an mechanical ABS system much like cruise control that moves the accelerator pedal, and some cars will give different levels of brake pedal feedback to let you know that the ABS is in fact working. All have their advantages/disadvantages. I have personally seen the benefits of ABS when a friend with a Mazda 626 in icy conditions braked heavily mid corner coming off a highway ramp, and the car didn't lock up and slide. (I was doing that imaginary driver thing !) He was able to steer the car where he wanted to go. (He was also just showing me how great his ABS was) -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 18:03:00 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... > I am looking for shops or retailers who would be able to help me with >the following: > > 1) locating a 4AG-EZ or a 3TGTE engine and driveline (transmission, > rear-end). The 3T-GTE I saw was imported from K-Wantanabe (SP?)in california ( call 800 information) They also have the 4AGZE for (summer 93 prices) US $850.00, however, I understand that you have to give them time (8 Weeks) to locate one for you. > > 2) engine modifications machine work wise (Northern California > preferably, but any info would be great). sorry here ... > 3) companies who produce adapters to support these mod. I have found that If you go to a "Company" that advertises in Autoweek and Car and Driver etc.. for stuff like this they will quote you "customized prices". RJ suggested Kennedy Adapters to me because he knew they had done a plate for the 3S-GTE. Note that the 3T-GTE came in RWD Toyota Carinas, so there is a Gear box that bolts neatly to it, and this is what the guy with the corolla GTS conversion is using. The 3T-GTE was fitted into the corolla GTS, in all of 1 weekend! (They had taken out the other engine the week before) > 4) aftermarket recommendation: > > a) cams Depends on what you want to do, for 3T-GTE, you may have to get your own cams/profiles ground. I figure at least 200 BHP is possible with stock cam. (Select Sales in Miami can help with custom cam profiles) > b) exhaust Cheaper route, is to get a good muffler shop, come up with something, or better yet, get a spec for an HKS/TRD one, and have a shop make you one that's close ;-) > c) suspension The 3T-GTE is probably twice as heavy as a 4AGE, so plan accordingly. Stock Tokico GTS suspension, can't handle the job. As the GTS/3TGT-E owner explained to me, under heavy braking, you can feel the weight Transfer. A Performance 2.5" spring coil over system was planned. > c) carburetion/EFI mods The corolla GTS I saw is fueled by Haltech, while the ignition uses 2 electromotive HP-V1 units (3T-GTE is a 2 spark plug per cyclinder engine). For what its worth, I would go with an Electromotive TECII, as they offer fuel/ignition control in one package, and their systems are certified for use in California!! No point having a car in Cali, if they won't certify it? > d) alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers, > etc...) Intercoolers are nice, Turbo depends on what you want to do. I have seen a brief mention of relatively low maintenance Turbo which Cartech uses, and it apparently has its own oil resevoir, and uses variable vanes, to reduce turbo lag/compressor surging.. (Was featured in one of the last three Turbo Mags) > e) any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics, >wheels, Make sure you you can defend the following bumper sticker: "The Car in Front is a * Toyota" where * is the Toyota Logo.. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 18:23:35 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: A Question of Stopping Chris, >I am working on rejetting the carb though. I have the Synchronous >Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs. Looks >like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air, >because I'm running way rich. I think that was why the car started >failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago. > >Any ideas on jetting? > Pat Braden (yep TPHandbook guy) has a book entitled tuning webbers, it has just about everything you could want to know on tuning/servicing carbs/jets etc.. I think the Jan. CCC mag, has a formula for working out jetting, but as they rightly say, jetting is the last thing you should adjust on your car, since cam timing etc... will affect this. Everyone I have ever spoken to on this say, it is an empirical thing, where you just have to change and try. Air/Fuel indicators may not even be useful here, because DYNO tests by CCC magazine (most of their cars feature carb'd conversions) have indicated, that a richer/leaner setups give better output for some engines than for others. In any event, I would at least like to try one of these exhaust gas oxygen sensors, as I believe it is a good starting point. (Even if you don't want to buy the fancy led meter) An exhaust gas sensor (From Electromotive is about $60.00) and you can hook a volt meter up to the leads to determine the air/fuel ratio. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 09:29:23 +1000 (EST) From: Murray Chapman Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... To: Tom Julien Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, tomj@orl.mmc.com On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Tom Julien wrote: > http://su102a.ess.harris.com My xmosaic client cannot connect to this site. Anyone else having problems? Murray -- Murray Chapman Zheenl Punczna -- -- muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au zhmmyr@pf.hd.bm.nh -- -- University of Queensland Havirefvgl bs Dhrrafynaq -- -- Brisbane, Australia Oevfonar, Nhfgenyvn -- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:43:09 -0800 From: Joe Woodsprite To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Cop Cars and Julie Koji replys: >BTW so what do they use for pursuit ??!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ? Around here they are. There's a real neet '69 Camero that was aquired in a drug bust in the Salem area. Talk about unexpected. Almost as much as the unmarked Chevy 4X4 pickups that the staters are using occasionally. >OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =) Putting that in was nothing compared to cramming a pullout into the stock location, Crutchfield said it couldn't be done (they were almost right). ;) >Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest. >Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it. >(Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it > up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-) So what would bigger gears do to my speedometer accuracy and (gasp!) fuel consumption? This is my "practical" transportation. >Aloha... >So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car >so you can check her out ? =) I guess I sould clarify. I was once told I would someday meet the woman of my dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will be...... Julie. I hope she likes fast cars. >-Allen T "Koji" Kam Woodsprite ******************************************************************************* ** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** ** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** ** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** ** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** ** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** ** takes to find her. * * *** ** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** ******************************************************************************* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:22:59 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Chris's Richness ! >> Chris wrote > Koji wrote > >I am working on rejetting the carb though. I have the Synchronous > >Webber 38mm carb, and have been running 135 mains and 185 airs. Looks > >like I'm gonna hafta either go down on the main or up on the air, > >because I'm running way rich. I think that was why the car started > >failing in the race I won 2 Friday's ago. > > My next jet size up is a drill bit =) To down jet ya could proably > do an old racers trick and run the smallest jets and chokes so > you have great bottom end thats about it... > > >Any ideas on jetting? > > Its not a timing thing ? Open up the gap on ya spark plugs and fuss with > timing ?? =) I called AEM and talked with Steve there. I told Steve I was running 135 mains and 185 airs and he said that if anything that sounded a little _lean_! He suggested I look at: 1.) Proper float level 2.) Using a cooler spark plug 3.) Checking my ignition system for strong spark I readjusted the float level and now it is _perfect_. I am going to order temp range 7 NGK's if they make one for the 20R. The stock 20R NGK plug is a 5 (NGK's get cooler as the numbers get bigger.) The stock plug is a BPR5EA, and I couldn't find anything like a BPR6EA or BPR7EA, but they did have BPRxES, although I didn't know the difference between the A and S suffix. Anybody? Evidently going to a cooler plug is a common trick on racing engines, so you may want to give it a try if you a driving hard. Also, I think I am going to get a Accel or Mallory coil and bolt it into place of my stock coil. Anyone know if this is OK or not? Will it help much? I am running an original '81 Toyota stock ignition setup. Any ideas or comments in this area are appreciated. Finally, I remember that when I took the adapter plate off the top of the carb, it had obviously been gas soaked. Hmmmm. Since at that time I thought I just had a jetting problem, I temporarily ignored this. Now, I am wondering if I might have some sort of problem. BTW, I had just capped my vent line from the carb instead of sending it back to the fuel cell. Does anyone have any ideas on this? My racing buddy over here says that he does it all the time, both on stock Nissan carbs (He's a Nissan Mechanic) and on 32/36 Webbers. I guess I'll leave it plugged until I am led to believe that is the problem. BTW, let me put in an unpaid advertisement for AEM. These guys are great! I've worked with Keith and, more recently, Steve, and both were _extremely_ helpful. They do dyno testing themselves on all of their stuff on a daily basis, so they have a WORLD of information. For you guys thinking about getting a Webber 32/36, buy it from them. Besides the fact that they are the US importer of Webber (meaning that they are the guys that make all of the adapter plates, etc.) this will give you direct access to their knowledge. FWIW, when you call RJ and try to get him to sell you a carb, he'll give you AEM's number. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:32:56 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: ABS Is that Roger just a walking, talking, networked library or WHAT! I mean, for any subject you mention, he cites 3 magazines with 5 different ariticles that directly relate to the subject! (I guess you gots plenty of time to read when you winter in Canada!) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:46:45 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: South Bay Shop Space Got this from the Wheel2Wheel racing group. In case any of you in the South Bay area are thinking about opening your own race shop... ----- Begin Included Message ----- My Stepmother has some shop space available in the South Bay, Torrance to be exact. Actually it is the former Halibrand Engineering buildings, as she is the daughter of founder Ted Halibrand. There are a couple of different sized buildings available and possibly one of them can accomodate your needs. Her name and address is: Linda Laski Sancherlin Properties 1506 w 228th St. Torrance, CA 90501 (310) 325-5502 ----- End Included Message ----- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:50:36 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... >From lantera@CSOS.ORST.EDU Thu Feb 10 14:15:03 1994 >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:43:09 -0800 >From: Joe Woodsprite >Subject: Cop Cars and Julie >>Koji replys: >>BTW so what do they use for pursuit ??!?!!?! Camaros are the standard again ? >Around here they are. There's a real neet '69 Camero that was aquired in >a drug bust in the Salem area. Talk about unexpected. Almost as much as the >unmarked Chevy 4X4 pickups that the staters are using occasionally. Oh sheesh.... a 1969 Camaro ? Thats almost as bad as the racing Porchse they have in Arizona to inforce the 100mph speedlimits... >>OoooOOoOoo Subwoofer =) >Putting that in was nothing compared to cramming a pullout into the stock >location, Crutchfield said it couldn't be done (they were almost right). ;) Toyota's are a pain in the butt to install head units. Espically on the Celica's and Camry's etc... I don't envy you. >>Best bang for the buck. Try gearing =) Most results the cheapest and quickest. >>Bigger gearing only means you getting to your top speed faster. Thats it. >>(Don't listen to me someone with 5.13 gearing with the tires that choke it >> up to a 5.33 final drive ratio or so -boggle-) >So what would bigger gears do to my speedometer accuracy and (gasp!) fuel >consumption? This is my "practical" transportation. Actually my speedo was easily adjusted if not its just a simple math driving around and if you go over 55 well..thats speeding to me so whats the sense in knowing how fast ya going ? (A friend told me that -shrug-) Hmmmm and I get about 20 MPG with a 200 mile cruising range. A neat trick I do on my car is that I don't fill it to "full" the car gets too heavy. So I fill it max 3/4 tank and get the best fuel economy over all. This is just my theory...not sure if it works for anyone else. >>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car >>so you can check her out ? =) >I guess I sould clarify. I was once told I would someday meet the woman of my >dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will be...... >Julie. I hope she likes fast cars. Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo Supra. >Woodsprite P.S A slight gearing change like a 3.9 to a 4.11 or 4.11 to a 4.33 or a 4.33 to a 4.55 isnt as bad as you think. Its off by some 10 mph or so. Mines is off 15 from a "stock" 4.11 gear ratio. More power and you get to your speed faster thats it. Fuel Economy has nothing to do with it I think. Well it does it you red line it always.. and >I< even find it hard to do since "cruising range" is about 60 - 80 and thats only 6000rpm. - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 09:00:34 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Gearing changes Coupla' thoughts on gearing changes. First, your speedo will be off (presuming it is right in the first place) by exactly the ratio of the change you make. Example: Go from a 4.10 to a 4.38 4.38/4.10 = 106.83% In other words, your speedo will read 6.83% more than what you are actually doing. ie, speedo 55, actual speed is 51.48; speedo 80, actual speed 74.88. Now on the other hand, gearing is a trade off (as are most modifications.) Gear higher, and you _usually_ lose mileage and top end speed. Usually, because if you are horribly underpowered for your setup (ie, 4x4 with big tires and 22R engine) you may actually see an improvement in both. If you want off the line speed, gearing is great. If you want a good total package, be careful of how much you change your gearing. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 06:22:57 -0800 To: Allen T "Koji" Kam , Subject: Re: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... On Feb 11, 3:50am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote: > Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... > >>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car > >>so you can check her out ? =) > > >I guess I sould clarify. I was once told I would someday meet the woman of my > >dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will be...... > >Julie. I hope she likes fast cars. > > Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo > Supra. Any chick can drive a cool car... but, the question IS... is she CUTE!!! I remembered this red 69 Camaro (Hawaii) with this little saying on it's spoiler, "If you can catch me, you can eat me". Letting my testosterone get the best of me... (and since I had my 69 RS/SS Camaro then) I gave chase. I saw this dark long haired lass. I kept on saying to myself, what a bbbaaaa... (as she slowly turned my way)... bbbbaaaauuuuggghhhh. The girl looked at me with a face of a horse *neigh*. Never again will I just jump to conclusions. So Joe, beware of Julie... she could be your worst night*mare* *ha ha*. Allan (the other Allan) Chen Silicone *ooops* Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 09:46:41 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... > On Feb 11, 3:50am, Allen T Koji Kamam wrote: > > Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... > > > >>So whos this Julie ? or is she the reason you have to get a faster car > > >>so you can check her out ? =) > > > > >I guess I sould clarify. I was once told I would someday meet the woman of > my > > >dreams, she would be inteligent, beautiful, witty, and her name will > be...... > > >Julie. I hope she likes fast cars. > > > > Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo > > Supra. > > Any chick can drive a cool car... but, the question IS... is she > CUTE!!! I remembered this red 69 Camaro (Hawaii) with this little saying on > > ... I remember ariving at a Porsche track event and seeing this VERY beautiful woman get out of a Porsche Turbo with a Penn. license 'TAH-TAH' A few minutes later a red faced police officer arrived. Shortly afterwoods an anouncement was made about driving to quickly on the local roads. Seems that he had been chasing her for a while - She got away Ray xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 04:49:33 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Julie and Nightmares =) >From allanc@sysop.corp.sgi.com Fri Feb 11 04:24:09 1994 From: "Allan Chen" Subject: Re: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... On Feb 11, 3:50am, Allen T Koji Kam wrote: Subject: RE: Police Cars, Head Units and Julie... >>>> (* Julie Description deleted =( *) >> Come to Hawaii. Her last name is Watanabe and she drives a 1988 White Turbo >> Supra. > Any chick can drive a cool car... but, the question IS... is she CUTE!!! Yes...she is cute...almost drop dead single and 26. Got no "time" for a "relationship" though... >I remembered this red 69 Camaro (Hawaii) with this little saying on it's >spoiler, "If you can catch me, you can eat me". Heh... I remeber that car. The dad I know and it was a 10 second Camaro. >Letting my testosterone get the best of me... Sure... in Waikiki cruising and ya let it get the best of ya ;) >(and since I had my 69 RS/SS Camaro then) I gave chase. Natutally ya HAD to... ;) >I saw this dark long haired lass. I kept on saying to myself, what a >bbbaaaa... (as she slowly turned my way)... bbbbaaaauuuuggghhhh. >The girl looked at me with a face of a horse *neigh*. Heh... actually..that was Kuulei. The 2 younger sisters are cute. The younger sister had a Bright Fluorescent Green bug with a porsche motor inside with the same thing written. Her name was Leilani. The youngest was Naomi I think... she drove a mini truck and didnt have anything written on it =( >Never again will I just jump to conclusions. >So Joe, beware of Julie... she could be your worst night*mare* *ha ha*. Nah Allan.....jus cruising in the wrong places at the wrong times... Actually Kuulei is actually kinna cute...it might have been her cousin driving it..shes kinna errrr.... not so cute. >Allan (the other Allan) Chen >Silicone *ooops* Silicon Graphics Inc. Ahhh...Whats on ya mind ;) See Allan... ya name or nickname SHOULD Be Botoboy ! ;) - Allen T "Koji" Kam BKA Koji a random waste of diskspace *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 04:57:24 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Women Drivers (An Opinion) >From bahrr@pictel.com Fri Feb 11 04:48:32 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 09:46:41 EST From: bahrr@pictel.com (Raymond Bahr) Subject: Re: Women drivers ? =) >Ray wrote: >I remember ariving at a Porsche track event and seeing this VERY beautiful >woman get out of a Porsche Turbo with a Penn. license 'TAH-TAH' A few >minutes later a red faced police officer arrived. Shortly afterwoods an >anouncement was made about driving to quickly on the local roads. Seems that >he had been chasing her for a while - She got away Ha ha ha.... I give one thing for women....some of them can sure drive... and the others are dang spooky... they have no concept of their genetilia shrinking cause well..theirs is all internal and ours is well external... I think that has a LOT to do with it. They can speed and correct their cars and driving and even when they get pulled over get out of the ticket...this is NOT a FLAME but a observation. WOMEN...What MORE can ya SAY ?!?!?! >Ray A Beautiful woman driving a Porchse with personal plates ? Wow... I met this older type lady that got GIVEN an NSX by a "friend" as a present. Damm....some people got all the luck ! - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 10:04:17 -0500 From: roy@lorien.oit.gatech.edu (Roy Mongiovi) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Women Drivers (An Opinion) When someone complained that toyota-mods was slow, I'm not sure that this activity was what he had in mind.... Really, I get enough e-mail. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 10:08:51 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Unrelated Traffic > When someone complained that toyota-mods was slow, I'm not sure that this > activity was what he had in mind.... > > Really, I get enough e-mail. > Good observation Roy. (And I've been part of a lot of that "unrelated traffic".) Sorry. Let's get back to trying to keep the stuff Toyota-mods related. (Although I enjoy the other mindless chatter about as much or more!) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 05:11:17 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Mindless Chatter / Kennedy Manufacters >From roy@lorien.oit.gatech.edu Fri Feb 11 05:01:15 1994 >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 10:04:17 -0500 >From: roy@lorien.oit.gatech.edu (Roy Mongiovi) >When someone complained that toyota-mods was slow, I'm not sure that this >activity was what he had in mind.... >Really, I get enough e-mail. Actually I do tooo..but at least its something =) And most of the other querys take some research into looking into. For my posts I apologize and my waste of bandwidth. BTW I think this is the address to Kennedy Adapters. Kennedy Engineered Products 38830 17th East Palmdale CA, 93550 (805) 272-1147 Heh...btw Also an apology for my server..seems my mail don't always go to the right "channels" and i can't send personal mail to everyone only seems to work right to Chris, Tom and Roger so far (*boggle*) - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 14:19:14 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Free offer Pardon this questionable use of bandwidth, but I wanted to offer the members of our group something. I know I've mentioned to some of you that if you ever wanted to come to Florida sometime, that I would gladly offer you a free bed if you were in the area. Now, with my sister's house vacant, I will make the same offer. It is completely furnished, and we're hoping that my other sister will move in when school is over (she's a teacher) but that will be June at the earliest. Of course, I'm not opening this up to the entire 'net, and it doesn't extend to your third cousin Louie the cabbie from NY. But if anyone was coming down and would like to stop by and stay a few days, the offer is there. (BTW, a token house warming gift of, say, an 18RG motor or a bolt-in supercharger or something wouldn't be refused!) :-) :-) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 16:33:38 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Email to Fax Gateways.... And now my share of Bandwith usage.... There is an ongoing experiment on the internet that allows one to have E-Mail messages routed via regular Fax machine in cities/sites which are part of this experiment. What this means, is that you may be able to contact your Favourie supplier without the regular long distance Fax charges (I sent a Fax request to IFG Turbo Systems this way). To date many major cities are covered, including Japan, NewZeland, etc... If you are interested in knowing which areas are being covered, send mail to: tpc-coverage@town.hall.orig (Automated mailing list) (I don't think the subject matters) but I use help. There is an FAQ which covers all the details of how to compose a Fax address. Send e-mail to: tpc-faq@town.hall.org (Automated mailing list) Have a good weekend guys.... -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 12 Feb 94 17:14:24 EST From: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: ABS Switch and Winter Rubber > I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all > dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ? They go rock hard when it get really cold, and then I get all sorts of wind leaks and whistles. I usually spray silicone lube on them once a year. I have no idea if it does any good though. Jon xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica? To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 19:50:48 +0800 (WST) ..and here I find myself just discharged from the hospital with 9 stitches more, maybe 9oz less flesh (*ugh*), and 1 KE30 less.. it's a total wreck (*sigh*) Before you ask.. OF COURSE it wasn't my fault! :-) But nevertheless, as my 'ol man says, "You can be DEAD Right". Next time around, I'll try to remember not to argue with a truck when it's headed to me on the driver's side. (*ouch*) Anyway, so much for that, now it's car hunting time again! Ok, with car prices what they are here in Singapore... ---we sidetrek here for some data to put things in the right perspective--- Prices for cars NEW, Paseo 1.5 (M) 16V S$72,694 approx US$45,433 Camry 2.2 GL (A) S$125,373 approx US$78,358 Corolla 1.6 GLi (M) S$67,475 approx US$42,171 Interesting? Here's just a few more.. Ford Telstar 2.0 TX5 (A) S$117,800 approx US$73,625 Honda Accord EX (A) S$100,388 approx US$62,742 Rover 820Si S$123,000 approx US$76,875 Are you in (culture) shock yet? I hear the only place in the world where it's more expensive to own a car is Israel. BTW, Road Tax is computed on a sliding scale but works out to about S$0.95 /cc... ie 2.0l car = S$1,900 approx US$1,188 per year. And since road tax is based on engine cap... mods, engine swaps, etc.. are illegal (*ahem*) (*cough*) (*cough*) ---Now we continue with my hunt for a car (that I can afford without going into debt for the rest of my life--- Criteria 1. Got to perform better than my KE30 with 4K-C. I was getting rather frustrated with that car anyway (no, it's not the reason I took on the truck) 2. I'm more concerned with off the line performance than top end. Not much space on this little island to cruise. 3. Should not require an engine swap (*cough*) (*cough*). 4. Something I can afford! But that bit of data I'll settle... So, what we're looking at is.. a. '78 - '79 Celica (???) for S$15-18K i.e US$9375-US$11250 b. '80 - '82 Corolla 1.3 (4K??) for S$20-25K i.e US$12500-15625 c. '81 - '82 Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750 I'm thinking the Celica would be the best all around. What say you guys? Err.. what Engine was the Celica of that day using? Is there a Weber for the '78 Celica? What is (was?) the stock performance? What kind of power can I (hope) to get out of it by just doing "internal" mods like CAM swap (ie no engine swap) and using say a dual sidedraft (weber vs mikuni...hmm..?). -->Chris: you the one that's got one of these? BTW, better update my entry on the list as _EX_-KE30 owner :-( More data now to put mods into perspective: Mikuni Dual Sidedraft S$1,350 approx US$844 Weber Single downdraft S$430 approx US$268 + S$200 (!?) for manifold. Used 4K-C w/4X gearbox S$1000 And that's why it's more fun, cheaper, etc.. to get an old car and DIY.. PS: Anyone who wants to hear more about the wonderful system Singapore has in store for (would be) car owners is most welcome to mail me. I dun wanna get flamed for choking toyota-mods bandwidth with my mumbling.. :-) bentan ex owner '79 KE30 w/4K-C (*sigh*) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: Byte Article on TAG Eng Mgt Sys - Which Issue? To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 20:22:20 +0800 (WST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods) ..extracted from some message you posted sometime.. somewhere... > on a F1/BTCC race car with a locked/high performance limited slip > differential,the ABS system might be hooked into the engine ecu. (Go read > the article in the Byte magazine that featured the TAG (Mclaren) engine Which issue was that in? I get Byte but don't recall seeing it. bentan xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: Ignition System To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 20:53:13 +0800 (WST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com > 2.) Using a cooler spark plug Interesting.. Always thought the idea was to get the spark Hotter.. Something to learn here.. Got more background? > 3.) Checking my ignition system for strong spark Yeah! Dumping the stock 12KV coil and dropping in a 60KV did wonders for me. > order temp range 7 NGK's if they make one for the 20R. The stock 20R > NGK plug is a 5 (NGK's get cooler as the numbers get bigger.) The stock > plug is a BPR5EA, and I couldn't find anything like a BPR6EA or BPR7EA, > but they did have BPRxES, although I didn't know the difference between > the A and S suffix. Anybody? Evidently going to a cooler plug is a > common trick on racing engines, so you may want to give it a try if you > a driving hard. But why? Unless I'm REALLY messed up (could be 'cause of the bump I took when that truck hit me and me hit the window...) I get the idea that to get Power, u want fast, complete combustion, and that comes from a big, hot spark. Yes? No? Maybe? Sometimes? Ain't anything either black or white anymore... :-) BTW, every tried (thought of trying) Splitfire plugs? I realize that some people on rec.autos.tech have had bad experiences with them, but they sure worked for me. > Also, I think I am going to get a Accel or Mallory coil and bolt it into > place of my stock coil. Anyone know if this is OK or not? Will it help > much? I am running an original '81 Toyota stock ignition setup. Any > ideas or comments in this area are appreciated. If it's anything like my setup was, you will FEEL The Power of a coil swap! You didn't mention what leads you're using, but if, like me, you got them "normal" leads, you'll find them might HOT after even a short run. Dumping them and going for 8.8mm type leads solved that, but to be honest I didn't really Feel any improvement, just that the wires weren't burning to the touch. About the carb thing, you got any (Strong) opinions on Webber vs Mikuni? I understand (unless my wires are crossed - again) that TRD recommends Mikuni? bentan xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 08:13:28 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica? > ..and here I find myself just discharged from the hospital > with 9 stitches more, maybe 9oz less flesh (*ugh*), and 1 > KE30 less.. it's a total wreck (*sigh*) Ouch! > Prices for cars NEW, > Paseo 1.5 (M) 16V S$72,694 approx US$45,433 > Camry 2.2 GL (A) S$125,373 approx US$78,358 > Corolla 1.6 GLi (M) S$67,475 approx US$42,171 Ouch, Ouch! > Ford Telstar 2.0 TX5 (A) S$117,800 approx US$73,625 > Honda Accord EX (A) S$100,388 approx US$62,742 > Rover 820Si S$123,000 approx US$76,875 Ouch, Ouch, Ouch! Stop it, yer killing me! > a. '78 - '79 Celica (???) for S$15-18K i.e US$9375-US$11250 > b. '80 - '82 Corolla 1.3 (4K??) for S$20-25K i.e US$12500-15625 > c. '81 - '82 Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750 Now I AM dead. You can scavenge around here and find a decent 78-79 Celica for around $500. Matter of fact, I know where I can find an '83 Supra that needs a new hood and rear hatch for around $200. Anyway, all of these would be good cars, but I flinch at the _thought_ of paying so much. Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet with only the 2K engine. Is there any way I could find you one over here and ship it to ya? I could get you something _beautiful_ compared to these for $1000 US or so. Surely it wouldn't cost another $9000 US to get is there, would it? Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 08:28:20 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Ignition System > > 2.) Using a cooler spark plug > > Interesting.. Always thought the idea was to get the spark Hotter.. > Something to learn here.. Got more background? (...and then...) > I get the idea that to get Power, u want fast, complete combustion, > and that comes from a big, hot spark. Yes? No? Maybe? Sometimes? Sorry, I don't understand it yet, but _everyone_ I've talked to says "go to a cooler plug". The only thing I can think of is that a hotter plug might cause the fuel-air mix to pre-detonate, the way lead deposits will when they get hot on the inside of the combustion chamber. I do know that a side-effect of cooler plugs is that it keeps the combustion chamber cooler, but I don't think that is the main reason to go to a cooler plug. > BTW, every tried (thought of trying) Splitfire plugs? I realize that some > people on rec.autos.tech have had bad experiences with them, but they sure > worked for me. Your the second person to recommend them, so I am considering it. Its just that I am SOOOO tight, that when it comes to paying $4 or $5 or whatever each that the splitfires cost, I get woozy. (Here I am complaing about price to the man from the land of $13000 USED Starlets!.) > About the carb thing, you got any (Strong) opinions on Webber vs Mikuni? I > understand (unless my wires are crossed - again) that TRD recommends Mikuni? > bentan Koji has stronger feelings and more experience with carbs than I do, but I don't think that TRD leans toward one manufacturer specifically, but rather toward a particular carb for a particular application. I think the 32/26 Weber is nearly a defacto standard for general purpose, streetable performance on 4 cylinder engines, although dual sidedrafts will give you more all-out performance (for a bunch more money.) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica? To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 22:14:51 +0800 (WST) Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com > > ..and here I find myself just discharged from the hospital > > with 9 stitches more, maybe 9oz less flesh (*ugh*), and 1 > > KE30 less.. it's a total wreck (*sigh*) > > Ouch! *Groan* But hey! 2.5 weeks off work is kinda nice and makes up for the pain a little... > > [Obscene date deleted] > > Ouch, Ouch! > > > [more vulgar data left out] > > Ouch, Ouch, Ouch! Stop it, yer killing me! Welcome to Singapore. Land of the happy car owner. Read Wired Oct(?) 93 for more colorful details. > > a. '78 - '79 Celica (???) for S$15-18K i.e US$9375-US$11250 > > b. '80 - '82 Corolla 1.3 (4K??) for S$20-25K i.e US$12500-15625 > > c. '81 - '82 Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750 > > Now I AM dead. If yer ever come this way, don't plan on renting a car... :-) much less buying one for a short term and then dumping it... > You can scavenge around here and find a decent 78-79 > Celica for around $500. Ouch! Yeow! Stop it! Now You're killing ME.. :-( > Matter of fact, I know where I can find an '83 > Supra that needs a new hood and rear hatch for around $200. *argh* I knew I would have enjoyed studying in the states... > Anyway, all > of these would be good cars, but I flinch Only a flinch? :-) > at the _thought_ of paying so much. > Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet > with only the 2K engine. Yup. I agree. I didn't mention one more option, a Carina from the '79-'81 era. That's also in the US$12,000 range. ie my budget... And yes, every car owner you see in Singapore is seriously in Debt... No one, like No One, except the REALLY rich, pays "cash" for a car here; it's all on like 3 yr - 8 (!) yr hire-purchase. > Is there any way I could find you one over here and ship it to ya? I > could get you something _beautiful_ compared to these for $1000 US or > so. Surely it wouldn't cost another $9000 US to get is there, would > it? Thanks for your offer, really. But unfortunately, the big guys down here kinda figured that one out and plugged the loophole sometime (20yrs?) back. It goes like this.. when you "import" a car, you have a tax levied on it.. besides that, to do a new registration (as opposed to transfering an old one), you need this thing called a Certificate of Entitlement (C.O.E). These things are released in limited qty every month in a tender system (ie you want one, place your bid...). There are catagories for COEs like below 1000cc (small cars) 1001-1600 (medium), Goods vehicles, commercial vehicals, motorcycles, etc... to give you more obscene data: Last month, COE for <1000cc cars : US$20061 1001-1600cc: US$25565 >2000cc: US$28500 Don't forget, these prices are for the Right (like Warrants and Options...) to own a car, not for the cars themselves. Yup, you got it.. the prices in the last message I quoted for New cars Do NOT Include the COE.. *slap* Chris! Chris! *cold water* you still there Chris?! Somebody get the smelling salts... :-) BTW, someone I wrote to once in Canada didn't believe the prices I was quoting, and thought I was pulling his leg. As it turned out he was due to drop by Singapore on his way to Australia, so we had a bet... If the prices are all baloney I'll buy you a car in Canada... if they're true, he buys me a car here.. *heh*.. I mean this guy just COULDN'T believe it and was SO SURE that No Where In The World is that Crazy... Dunno how/why but he got himself off the hook over a bottle of XO... incidentally, did I mention the price beer and liquor here.... :-) Now back to my hunt for a car... darn! I keep going off in a tangent. Must be reading too much of someone's messages here on toy-mods.. (*big wide grin*). Ok so it looks like the '78 / '80 Celica? What engine does that have under it's hood, and who still makes parts for it? BTW, which was the first car to have the 2TC / 3TC in it? ben BTW, I might take you up on an offer to ship an engine over here though... :-) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 07:06:17 -0800 To: hacker@patagonia.bellcore.com (Jonathan Hacker 21420), Subject: Re: Winter Rubber On Feb 12, 5:14pm, Jonathan Hacker 21420 wrote: > Subject: RE: ABS Switch and Winter Rubber > > > I have a question about that... Does your car rubber seals get all > > dried up ? Do you prepare them or anything ? > > They go rock hard when it get really cold, and then I get all sorts > of wind leaks and whistles. I usually spray silicone > lube on them once a year. I have no idea if it does any good though. Silicone spray is actually a plus for window rubber, as a matter a fact most natural rubber items. Silicone is also used as a waterproofing material often used as base for items such as Scotchguard. To the best of my knowledge, silicone sprays are not harmful to natural rubber (unless there is a strong petroleum distillate in it that may destroy the rubber). Thanks, Allan "botoboy" Chen (hopefully this will distinct the two Allan/Allen apart and I'll let Koji explain it) Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:16:31 EST From: eyoung1@cosmos.bellcore.com (Errol Young) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com@bellcore.com Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica? > From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) > Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica? > > c. '81 - '82 Starlet (2K *ugh*) for S$18-22K i.e US$11250-13750 > >.... Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet > with only the 2K engine. ^^^^^^ > This Starlet would have to come with a 4AGEZ with all the works (fiber glass everything), full leather interior, etc. including a 24K gold shifter with a diamond shift knob... etc. Or, not unless it is a 1995 Starlet that could do 0-60 in under 7 sec.... must I go on! > Is there any way I could find you one over here and ship it to ya? I > could get you something _beautiful_ compared to these for $1000 US or > so. Surely it wouldn't cost another $9000 US to get is there, would > it? > I would take up Chris' offer to get you on over here and ship it! With US$10K, you could probably get a newer Supra ('88 maybe). -Errol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:20:24 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Misc Info..... Chris, Here's the Address for Electromotive: Electromotive Inc. 14004-J Willard Road Chantilly, Virginia, 22021 USA Tel: 703-378-2444 800-843-3889 I normally talk to "Monique" (She has a nice southern accent) Electromotive sells direct, and have many accessories for ignition/fuel management systems. Including Air/Fuel sensors, Exhaust gas sensors etc.. You could simply ask them to Fax you their price list. They also have full brochures available on all their products.. NB: I was confused a little while back thinking that ElectrOmotive and ElectrAmotive were the same, there not. ElectrAmotive is to Nissan, what TRD is to Toyota. (ElectrAmotive developed Nissans GTP/GTO/GTU cars...) > Roger may disagree, but I would shy away from a $13000 Starlet > with only the 2K engine. Well... I have to Agree, you'd probably spend a small fortune to build that starlet into a mean machine. I do know, howeveer that the 81-82 Starlets are the choice for the starlet Die Hards (Mines an 83). The line between being practical and going off the deep end, is very narrow you know. >More data now to put mods into perspective: > >Mikuni Dual Sidedraft S$1,350 approx US$844 >Weber Single downdraft S$430 approx US$268 + S$200 (!?) for manifold. >Used 4K-C w/4X gearbox S$1000 Since Carb rebuild kits are cheap, most people I know will opt for second hand units. A Formula Atlantic team here in TO. still has some weber 48's (side draft) carbs for sale, last I checked, they were going for US $450/pair, however they were extensively modified for competition.. My starlet had a 4K-E (fuel injection) originally, I couldn't even give the engine away once my conversion was done! -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 08:42:04 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Wrecked KE30 *sigh* - Howz the '78 Celica? }I didn't mention one more option, a Carina from the '79-'81 era. That's also }in the US$12,000 range. ie my budget... And yes, every car owner you see in }Singapore is seriously in Debt... No one, like No One, except the REALLY }rich, pays "cash" for a car here; it's all on like 3 yr - 8 (!) yr }hire-purchase. Isn't there some kind of rule/law where you *have* to get rid of a car if it's more than 10yrs old? Either that or there is some sort of levy that makes it prohibitively expensive to own an 'old' car? I might be totally wrong on this. My wife (from S'pore) said that one of her uncles used to buy Mercedes. I surmise he was making it big or something to afford one at those prices. At the end of 10yrs, he had to scrap it in Malaysia so he could get more than what he could sell it for locally because of that rule. aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 12:59:19 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Limiting bandwidth with Side Groups. Seems I do my best thinking while eating... At lunch I came up with a way to reduce bandwidth while increasing the amount of focus we could place on subjects of relatively narrow interest. I realized that not everyone would like to get into a long drawn-out discussion on how to get Ben set up in a new car, so we could just make a side group called, say toyota-mods-btptan, and all of the mail for that group would go only to those who were interested. After we were done the group would be closed out, and one person would volunteer to write a short summary of the results of this "sub-committee." Then I realized that we could do this with any subject that might have a large traffic flow from a few individuals. I've already done this with the Mosaic users (toyota-mods-mosaic), and it only takes about 5 minutes to set up another one. So, any time you are getting sick of a particular subject which has no relevance to you, but about 15% of the group is discussing ad nauseum, simply suggest that we move it to a side group. Now, who would like to be on the btptan side group? To make things easier on me, simply request by sending mail to toyota-mods-request with subject "subscribe btptan" and no body-text (that way I can just add you without reading the mail.) Looks like besides discussing the details of setting up a 78-79 Celica for performance, we'll get to broach the topic of international finance, shipping, etc. If you have any strong feelings about setting up side groups, let me know that as well. It's just an idea. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 16:40:58 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: K&N air filters for Toyotas (Corollas) I received a 94 catalog from Ripspeed intl.(London, based), and they list K&N replacement filter elements for: **STARLETS**, Corollas, MR2's, Celicas.. Price is about 20-30 pounds sterling... Note however, that K&N have complete systems much like the HKS powerflow system, however they don't appear to manufacture a complete system specific to Corolla. Which, I believe is why some people state that K&N don't make a filter for the corolla.. somebody correct me if I'm wrong... -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 11:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Subject: New Member!! George Orwell What the H*** is this stuff about having to create a new sub-group for toyota-mods!!! I'm away for a few days (travel) and come back to find some lively exchanges have taken place on the list (thanks for the inputs on headers, I'll post results and comments later) then suddenly somebody whines and the list goes dead. Say What??!!?? Listen, if you have a problem with "to much" e-mail that's your problem. Chris had a problem on the toyota list, but didn't burden it with the responsiblity for doing something about it. HE bit the bullet and pulled himself off. The list's loss, but that's the way it works. I came back to 180 pieces of mail, very little of it was send directly to me (other mailing lists). I had two choices, wade through it or mass delete. Regardless, it's my problem. If you join mailing lists just so you can say you have mail every now and then, your on the list for the wrong reason. If you think traffic is wasting bandwidth, your welcome to your opinion, but I don't think it should result in this drastic a response (seperate mailing list). Fine, things did manage to get a little off track, I friendly word is all it takes to get things back under control. Also, one's person's waste is another's treasure. So my philosophy is to let it go, I don't have to read it. Somebody, somehow may be benefiting from it. Why this tirade? A separate list has been created as a solution for excess traffic and I've completely missed out on it apparently (yes, I am whining). Yeah, my fault, I wasn't here, but who would have expected this? Couldn't there have been a vote (maybe there was???). If this subgroup approach continues, I'm certain other folks will have this same problem. Your away a while and an entire thread on an interesting subject will have passed you by. No good . . . Yes, I'm one voice and don't mean to imply that I think I can dictate or leverage how the list should be run. But, if the only motivation was to "reduce" traffic because of some isolated complaints, it (in some ways) defeats the purpose of the medium. Let's keep freedom of choice and expression in toyota-mods, 1984 is long gone . . . good riddens to it. Clark "that damn customer just sent a stop work order" Wallace xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 14:39:22 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: New Member!! George Orwell Uh, wow, guess a nerve got touched there, eh Clark? Hmmm, I do guess I have been getting a bit soft about the bandwidth issue, but let me clarify my stance a bit. I don't want to put _every_ issue on a side-group, just those that may be too "off center". Actually, I don't want to put _anything_ on a side group, but I do realize that sometimes we get side-tracked on certain issues and we do need to remember that a few folks pay a per email fee for their internet access, and even more pay for their connect time. Obviously, we don't want to start having to address mail to the group on toyota-mods-corollas-alternators-pivot_bolts-strengthening, but I hate to think that people have to _pay_ for my rambling! :-) What's everyone else think? Are sub groups a good idea, or are we getting too wimpy and politically sensitive? BTW, I just got the toyota-mods-btptan group going late this morning, and we've had a total of 2 messages so far, so if anybody wants to join it (and it does look like it will be interesting) you still can. Clark, breath deeply, and quote after Barney...."I love you, you love me, we're a great big family..." :-) :-) :-) (Heh, I just got a hilarious .au (Sun sound) file that has the cast of the original Star Trek taking on Barney. Funny stuff! Mail me if you want a copy.) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) Subject: Archive info on 4AGE in MR2 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 14:40:02 EST I'm looking for a FAQ, mail, and/or a pointer to anon ftp information about 4AGE mods in an MR2. Thanks, Jeff Burney jburney@nodc.noaa.gov | "Put up the damn jib!" Ocean Climate Lab 202-606-1044 | National Oceanographic Data Center/NOAA | Disclaimer: I don't speak for NODC, but I do speak for food. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: 82-85 Celica GTS/Supra rims Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 12:13:20 PST I was debating whether or not to post this on the mods list but decided I should since I'm in need of the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am looking for 82-85 Toyota Celica GT-S or Supra Alloy rims. If anyone has a set (or just one) to sell, or know of a source where I can get these in the Bay Area/Santa Cruz, please email garyh@sco.com. The rims are 14"x7" and are stocked aluminum mags. The rims have square bars that form four "\_/". Looks sort of like this, but due to ascii, it's kinda off. \ \__/ / | __ | / / \ \ Thanks, Gary Ps. I hope this is not a waste of the mods bandwidth xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 12:39:36 PST From: lung@San-Jose.ate.slb.com (Aaron Lung) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: too much email For my 3cents worth, I personally don't mind the amount of toy-mods mail. Certainly, my mailbox is kinda full every morning, but it's kinda nice to see what others are doing. That's what makes it interesting! In anycase, the amount of traffic in this list isn't anywhere close to the 50+ messages per day from the BMW list! I ain't complainin! :-) aaron xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: simmers@sfu.ca, toyota@quack.kfu.com Subject: Re: Doors blown off! Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 15:27:31 PST >I have an interesting story in regards for my quest for more power >for my Celica. I was coming onto a bridge and saw a white Celica >behind me. It was a nice 84. Anyways, I figured - same car- same top >speed, power, etc. WHOOPS! I was doing 130(not really pushing it) and >he went roaring past me. I didn't see a turbo inlet but something was >wrong here. Not being the type to give up easily I chased after and >caught up. Round 2. I go flying past him at 120 or so and into a >curve. Wow! I thought I was going to die. The Celica DOES NOT corner >well at this speed. Needless to say, the white Celica punches it and >passes me on the inside of the curve(not in a lane) I figure he was >doing 150. Any of you who have Celicas know this is not possible. I >had it floored and he just blew my doors off! I NEED MORE POWER!!!!! > >Brian Brian, I like your story. I can relate. I had my doors blown off by a Honda Civic going through the Santa Cruz mountains. It was there when I started my quest for more POWER! Of course, I got my doors blown off by a Probe GT Turbo, but it was stupid of me to even try (I was alot younger then!) Maybe the guy had a nitrous system? Is your car an auto or stick? I sorta find it hard that the celica can do 120 easily (since I have a hard time getting up to 100). Gary PS. This is a good story for the toyota mods list. I will forward this to the list. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:50:28 CST From: toymod@sysfjo.uucp@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com (Fred Oberbuchner) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list) Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail >What's everyone else think? Are sub groups a good idea, or are we >getting too wimpy and politically sensitive? BTW, I just got the >toyota-mods-btptan group going late this morning, and we've had a total >of 2 messages so far, so if anybody wants to join it (and it does look >like it will be interesting) you still can. Sign me up! Suggestion: How about ONE subgroup (toyota-mods-aaaaaah) that could be used for the mail-lovers (sign me up) on topics not "proper" for the main list. The original poster could send a copy to the main list informing anyone else of the question and soliciting responses via the sub-list? I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE HAPPY WE HAVE CHRIS WHO IS SUCH AN ACCOMIDATING GUY!!! LET'S NOT OVERLOAD HIM WITH UMPTEEN ZILLION THINGS TO DO. (3 cheers for Chris!!!) > >Clark, breath deeply, and quote after Barney...."I love you, you love >me, we're a great big family..." :-) :-) :-) I hate you, you hate me, let's go out and kill Barney, with a bang bang there he goes, see him hit the floor, no more purple dinasaur. Did you know that Barney wants to replace his stock 4AGE in his Corolla with a 4AGZE? (<-- mandatory Toy-mods related info!) > >(Heh, I just got a hilarious .au (Sun sound) file that has the cast of >the original Star Trek taking on Barney. Funny stuff! Mail me if you >want a copy.) > >Chris Chris: could you mail me a copy to fredo@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com? Thanks Just my $0.02+PST+GST (that's in Canadian $ of course!) Regards, Fredo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:56:46 CST From: toymod@sysfjo.uucp@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com (Fred Oberbuchner) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list) Subject: Re: K&N air filters for Toyotas (Corollas) I tried and tried to get a K&N for my 88 'Rolla GTS but to no avail. I ended up getting a custom bracket made up which deleted my entire air box and bolted a LARGE cylindrical K&N directly onto my air flow meter. NICE JOB! It ended up costing me about $150 (installed and including filter) with which I am happy given the cost of the power-flow systems running about $200. (I also believe this will filter better) Plug for "Jackson Autosport" in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. (204) 235-1123 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 10:49:25 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail OK. I'm working on getting a digest mode going. I'll let everyone know when it is available. What this means is that every day, all of the mail will go into a single file. At some time around midnight or so, a simple script file will attempt to parse out some of the spurious header info, and will mail the entire day's posts to those on the digest list. Posting to the list will be the same as always. Whoever would like to go to digest mode is welcome/encouraged to do so. I still kinna like the sub-group idea, since it might allow us to make some quick progress on a faq/info for the Mosaic server without diluting the regular group with things we've already discussed. As a matter of fact, I was kinda thinking that the -btptan subgroup would turn into a 2xR Celica modifications faq, if that is what kinda car Ben decides to get. Your comments, as always, are appreciated. <---Yech! What a wimpy statement! > I hate you, > you hate me, > let's go out and kill Barney, > with a bang bang there he goes, > see him hit the floor, > no more purple dinasaur. > Did you know that Barney wants to replace his stock 4AGE in his Corolla > with a 4AGZE? (<-- mandatory Toy-mods related info!) Uhhhh, can somebody go help Fred? Obviously this cold winter has affected his brain! Maybe Fred needs to spend some time here in Florida. :-) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 10:54:47 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail Ummm, just wanted to make sure everybody understands that I am _adding_ digest mode for those who would like it, not changing the entire list to digest mode. I may not have made that perfectly clear in the last post... Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 09:02:12 MST From: groves@noao.edu (Lee Groves) To: Toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com, cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: lots and lots of glorious mail >> Did you know that Barney wants to replace his stock 4AGE in his Corolla >> with a 4AGZE? (<-- mandatory Toy-mods related info!) > >Uhhhh, can somebody go help Fred? Obviously this cold winter has >affected his brain! Maybe Fred needs to spend some time here in >Florida. :-) > >Chris > This is way off subject, but if anyone wants it, I have the address for the official "I Hate Barney Secret Society"... Lee (Who wonders how Yamaha's V6 from the Tarus SHO would work in an early MR2 --twin turbos, of course....) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Benjamin T.P. Tan" Subject: FAQ To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (mods) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 22:00:45 +0800 (WST) Is someone (Chris?) working on any FAQ for the group? I'd like to volenteer (*gulp*) to help put one together. Is there (some semblence of) one already on the Mosiac server? I can't get to it as my connection to the net is only by dumb term dial in, ie no X. Or is there a way I can connect to the mosiac server w/o X... Chris? bentan xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Allan Chen" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 12:35:49 -0800 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Bouncing mail... Folks, I must apologize for all that bounced mail you have probably received these past couple of days. I had a talented individual here at work who decided to upgrade the operating system in our area without notifying any of us. In doing so this individual also blew away my directories as well as my mail files. *Grrrrrrr* I was only able to recover a percentage of my mail files. If it is not too much trouble to request for any past info regarding the following. 1) 85-87 Corolla GT-S/GTi mods/with alternative powerplant 2) Starlet mods/with alternative powerplant 3) 4AG engine series mods/transplant 4) 3SG engine series mods/transplant Roger, Chris, and Koji, I thank you guys so much for the information you have provided could I trouble you folks for your assistance again. I apologize once more for the use of this bandwidth for this request. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Allan "botoboy" Chen Silicon Graphics Inc. Mountain View, CA allanc@sgi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 20:35:09 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Airfilters for the Corolla's >From roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca Mon Feb 14 11:54:53 1994 >Subject: K&N air filters for Toyotas (Corollas) > I received a 94 catalog from Ripspeed intl.(London, based), and they list >K&N replacement filter elements for: **STARLETS**, Corollas, MR2's, >Celicas.. Price is about 20-30 pounds sterling... Note however, that K&N >have complete systems much like the HKS powerflow system, however they >don't appear to manufacture a complete system specific to Corolla. Which, I >believe is why some people state that K&N don't make a filter for the >corolla.. somebody correct me if I'm wrong... No you are correct. Frankly they do not see making one for the GTS or such. They have "stock" filters that have applications for the "Stock" carb SR-5 Corolla's etc. As for the GTS. Well.. SOL. Off the record the Mazda 323 Filter is the universal one. The Diameter fits the air box on the GTS etc. Just apply your own clamps. Its a bit freerer flowing so you will lose some low end acceleration. >Roger Smith -Koji *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 20:43:40 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Barney and Yamaha SHO Motors >From groves@noao.edu Thu Feb 17 06:05:57 1994 From: groves@noao.edu (Lee Groves) >This is way off subject, but if anyone wants it, I have the address >for the official "I Hate Barney Secret Society"... Send me mail =) I Wanna join (*boggle*) >Lee >(Who wonders how Yamaha's V6 from the Tarus SHO would work in an early >MR2 --twin turbos, of course....) Actually If you talk to ANY American motor enthusist it was concepted IN the USA LABS BY AMERICANS at the Special Projects department. However. Yamaha does have the same design. Maybe it was a "shared" discovery or something or they both had the same designs at the same time... must be Kismet =) I have a friend who "toured" this "Special Projects" department where they developed the SHO motor and all. After all the Taurus IS the American car designed by ITS workers on how a car SHOULD BE MADE. Go Japan ! Errrr I mean USA ! (Sorry Olympic Feva !) -Koji *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti) Subject: Re: '78 - '80 Celica has 2T-? ? To: btptan@solomon.technet.sg (Benjamin T.P. Tan) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:41:20 EET Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota-mods mailing list) > > Even '72 Celicas go for $2K or more, for a '81 GT one has to shell > > out about $7-9K (there aren't many of those here). Seeing all those > > old Supras sell in the US for less than a '72 Celica makes me want to > > import one... > > Same here. Just that they kinda plugged that loophole sometime back. > Besides, we're right-hand drive here. What's it in Finland? We drive on the right side of the road. Importing a car might become a bit cheaper in near future, ie the taxes would go down. > > Much better than the -28C we had last week. > > Depends whether you like it hot or cold. I keep seeing tourists here > avoiding the sheltered walkways and walking in the sun. Incomprehensible to I would do that too ;) > most S'poreans. :-) An interesting thing to note is that with the temp what > it is here, most "continental cars" (as we refer to anything non-Jap, > non-Korean, non-Malaysian; yes, they're making cars in Malaysia now) have > over heating problems. I guess in cold climates you want the engine heated > up to operating temp fast. But here, with the temp guage going up abt 2/3 of Yes, to decrease engine wear and even get the driver warm too... On the other hand, I almost cooked my previous 4K Corolla 3 times last summer:( > > If you get a one with 2T, you might want to swap the head to > > a 2T-G one (110-125 hp). > > Sounds like my kind of mod. What kind of head is that? DOHC (Twin Cam), 8 (large) valves. -- Matti Kalalahti k124476@cs.tut.fi k124476@ee.tut.fi xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti) Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 21:05:31 EET Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota-mods mailing list) > > 4) aftermarket recommendation: > > > > a) cams > Depends on what you want to do, for 3T-GTE, you may have to get your own > cams/profiles ground. I figure at least 200 BHP is possible with stock cam. If you can keep the boost high enough without knocking (see intercoolers). > > c) suspension > The 3T-GTE is probably twice as heavy as a 4AGE, so plan accordingly. Stock > Tokico GTS suspension, can't handle the job. As the GTS/3TGT-E owner > explained to me, under heavy braking, you can feel the weight Transfer. A You sure can. But I prefer the feel of the weight tranfer while accelerating ;) BTW, which brand shocks do you recommend (for RWD Carina (or Celica) with 3T-GTEU or something of the same weight. Prices in the US for the front pair? > > c) carburetion/EFI mods > The corolla GTS I saw is fueled by Haltech, while the ignition uses 2 Better than the stock EFI? > electromotive HP-V1 units (3T-GTE is a 2 spark plug per cyclinder engine). > For what its worth, I would go with an Electromotive TECII, as they offer > fuel/ignition control in one package, and their systems are certified for > use in California!! No point having a car in Cali, if they won't certify > it? FYI, my generally stock 3T-GTEU runs 0.84-0.88 idle mixture, 3.5% CO, 330 ppm HC. 10-11L/100km highway (no matter how hard), 13-17L/100km city. Oxygen sensor should help both (8.9L/100km quoted on "Japanese emission cycle", whatever that might be). > > d) alternative turbo system (larger wastegate, intercoolers, > > etc...) > Intercoolers are nice, Turbo depends on what you want to do. I have seen a You will want an intercooler. After that, you should be able to run up to 1.2 bar boost without problems. > > e) any other info that comes into mind (i.e. cosmetics, > >wheels, > Make sure you you can defend the following bumper sticker: > "The Car in Front is a * Toyota" > > where * is the Toyota Logo.. No need for such a sticker, nobody will have enough time to read it ;) -- Matti Kalalahti k124476@cs.tut.fi k124476@ee.tut.fi xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:24:40 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: FAQ > Is someone (Chris?) working on any FAQ for the group? I'd like to volenteer > (*gulp*) to help put one together. Is there (some semblence of) one already > on the Mosiac server? I can't get to it as my connection to the net is only > by dumb term dial in, ie no X. Or is there a way I can connect to the mosiac > server w/o X... Chris? > > bentan Good question. Actually, we have several things in the works right now, but nothing that is currently available. What the best thing would be to do would be to suggest a subject you'd like to become the subject matter expert on, and then just start compiling info on that subject. We don't have a specific format, but I think that as information is developed on various topics, it will begin to gel and take shape nicely. Roger is doing this sort of thing by developing a list of Toyota cars and their (stock) configuations, performance data, etc. As far as producing this "FAQ" or whatever, we really aren't to that stage yet, although the Mosaic server is one effort to do so. Now, for some good news for folks linking via a dumb terminal...lynx. lynx is a Mosaic program that allows you to get a basic use of a Mosaic site even it you don't have graphics capability. You can get lynx at: ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu in the /pub/WWW/lynx directory. There are pre-compiled executables for various machines, plus source code for those who might need to DIY. Basically, this allows folks who access an internet machine via a dumb terminal to get at least part of the Mosaic utility. Hope this helps. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:57:51 -0500 To: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti) From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com > >> > c) suspension >> The 3T-GTE is probably twice as heavy as a 4AGE, so plan accordingly. Stock >> Tokico GTS suspension, can't handle the job. As the GTS/3TGT-E owner >> explained to me, under heavy braking, you can feel the weight Transfer. A > >You sure can. But I prefer the feel of the weight tranfer while accelerating ;) >BTW, which brand shocks do you recommend (for RWD Carina (or Celica) with >3T-GTEU or something of the same weight. Prices in the US for the front pair? > It's not so much the shocks that are the issue, as is the spring rates. The plan for the converted corolla, was to re-use the tokico shock, but with 2 inch springs, (probably with spring rates of about 300-400 lbs). The technique/tip, has been featured, in several different mag. articles, where they show, how to modify, a strut to a performance 2" "coil over" system. The technique Involves a small bit of welding/cutting. Note the term "coil-over shock" is a bit misleading, as your (front) macpherson strut system, is a coil-over system. With a coil over system, the spring runs almost the whole length of the strut/shock. The porsche 911, front/rear spring/shock arangement is a good illustration. Carrera (The company) has a line of coil over systems, that would be adaptable to the rear. For your typical front toyota macpherson system, the approach is to modify it yourself. > >> > c) carburetion/EFI mods >> The corolla GTS I saw is fueled by Haltech, while the ignition uses 2 > >Better than the stock EFI? > Its much easier to "sort out" a haltech/aftermarket system, than to decipher toyotas's Black Box ECU. Stock toyota ECU can be a headache in terms of tracing through the wiring harness. Also with programmable systems, you can try out different engine Maps, by downloading a new one from a laptop computer. > >You will want an intercooler. After that, you should be able to run up to >1.2 bar boost without problems. > duh!?, what's the conversion factor to psi? P.S can you fill in the blanks on the 3TGTE? ENGINE: 3TGTE TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head BORE x STROKE: ??mm x ??mm DISPLACEMENT: ?? cc's COMPRESSION RATIO: ?:1 ECU: Toyota, ?? EMISSIONS: TURBO: POWER: TORQUE: REDLINE: VALVE GEAR: Chain driven DOHC VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2 VEHICLE: ?? Carina, COMMENTS: Twin spark plugs/cyclinder, etc...... -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: k124476@ee.tut.fi (Kalalahti Matti) Subject: Re: 4AG-EZ and 3TGTE tranplants... To: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 16:07:41 EET Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota-mods mailing list) > >You will want an intercooler. After that, you should be able to run up to > >1.2 bar boost without problems. > > > > duh!?, what's the conversion factor to psi? about 14, 1.2 bar ~ 17psi. Now I can barely get .7 bar ~ 10psi. > P.S can you fill in the blanks on the 3TGTE? > > ENGINE: 3T-GTEU > TYPE: inline 4 cylinder, Iron Block, Alloy Head > BORE x STROKE: 85mm x 78mm > DISPLACEMENT: 1770 cc's > COMPRESSION RATIO: 7.8:1 > ECU: Toyota, ?? (haven't taken apart yet) > EMISSIONS: without cat @ 0.84-0.88 lambda, idle: 3.5% CO, 330 ppm HC (originally all had 3-way cat converters with lambda sensors, I don't have those.) > TURBO: Toyota CT20 > POWER: 160hp@6000rpm (JIS) > TORQUE: 206Nm@4800rpm, 152 lb ft > REDLINE: 6500rpm > VALVE GEAR: Chain driven DOHC > VALVES/CYCLINDER: 2 > VEHICLE: RWD Carina, Celica, Corona 1982-1985 (top-of-the-line models, Japan only?) > COMMENTS: Twin spark plugs/cyclinder, etc...... Can't get under 10L/100km (over 25mpg), average 12.4L/100km (20mpg), on ice track 17L/100km (15mpg). -- Matti Kalalahti k124476@cs.tut.fi k124476@ee.tut.fi xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 09:01:22 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: New members (Long!) Sorry I've really been letting the admin stuff slip a bit. Tom and I have worked out a new system, and hopefully I'll be able to keep up a bit better. If I've already introduced any of these folks before, forgive me. Also, if I've added someone and negelected to send out your me/mine/mods info, let me know and I'll try to correct that. Bunch of new folks here, so take time to read it and respond as appropriate. Name : Lorne Silkes Location : Sharon, MA and St. Louis, MO Model : 1988 Supra Turbo Engine : 3.0 liter six turbo (not sure of model, cars home now) Mods : non yet hopefully soon to be a modified suspension, higher boost, etc. email : lrs1@cec.wustl.edu Name : Craig Pugsley Location : Melbourne, Australia. Model : No Toyota at the moment (Currently Mazda 'R100' - want something newer) (Considering Sprinter (= Corolla GT-S??) or Celica) Engine : Keen interest in what engines fit into what (EG 3TGTEU/4AGE/4AGZE into above), and other high power mods. Mods : - email : pugsley@trl.oz.au Well, You might be wondering why I'd be on this list. Admittedly I don't have a Toyota per se, but I'm looking at getting a 'newer' car and am keen on a Toyota Sprinter (I *Think* that's a Corolla GT-S, in US-terms. Can anyone clarify this for me? I'm not sure what engine these have here in stock form, but it's a rear wheel drive 1.6 litre (Maybe a 2T?). The 'Spinter' has normal, fixed headlights (as opposed to pop up ones), but I think the later model Corolla GT-S has a Celica front on it. Is this right? Are these cars rare in the US? (That front would look pretty trick on a local model). There is a local magazine called Fast Fours and Rotaries, it is devoted to the small car scene (Which is getting pretty big here, due to the fairly low cost of suitable cars and engines). It has some interesting stuff in it. Lots of 3TGTEU conversions to early Celicas and the like. There has been a few Levin Corollas, An early Supra with a 7MGTE etc etc. Name : Jeff Burney Location : Burke, VA Model : 1986 MR-2 Engine : 4AGE Mods : email : jburney@nodc.noaa.gov Mods: 1. put k&n filter in. - sounds better. maybe better throttle response. maybe not. 2. change suspension - struts and springs - excellent. but now my tires suck. car had cheesy tires when I bought it. 3. trace hissing noise in engine to cracked exhaust manifold. number 4 cyclinder tube almost completely cracked off. Bought TRD header. - sounds better. no real noticeable improvement in bottom end but seems better above 4k rpm. engine feels less resticted. revs faster? - payed to have this done. after removing the heat shield from the stock header (to get to the crack) i decided there was no way I was going to try this without a lift and/or garage. 4. richened mixture at mass air sensor. (simple to do) - more bunch at 4k rpm 5. bought sway bars and urethane bushings. - awesome. I can't believe the difference. Now my tires really suck. - easy installation 6. buy Pirelli P500 - big mistake. terrible. the car is _WAY_ beyond these. i'm sliding through turns 7. front strut tower brace - no noticeable improvement on the street. i never took it out on the track before i did this mod so i don't know if it really did anything. if you have t-tops you already have this brace. - bolted right on 8. front strut rod bushings - i honestly cant remember if they did anything or not - easy installation 9. steel brake lines - i've had good luck with these on motorcycles but they didn't seem to have the same effect on the car. there was definitely more pedal feel but that's about it. - easy installation 10. clutch & pressure plate - this was a bit of a fiasco. i didn't really need a clutch but i wanted to install a light weight flywheel. unfortunately, TRD sent the wrong clutch/flywheel combination and because i was borrowing a friends garage, we had to finish that night so i just installed the clutch and pressure plate :-( the flywheel was supposed to make it rev much faster. 11. '88 mr2 supercharged muffler. - TRD recommeded this saying i would get about the same hp (3) as a HKS system but for less than 1/2 the price. - had to get the muffler flange holes slotted to fit the stock cat. I plan to eventually rebuilt the engine with a stroker kit and also put the lightweight flywheel on. Hi there, my name is Brian Simmers. I have a 1983 Toyota Celica. 22-RE FI engine. I have begun a quest for more power! My knowledge of engine and other mods is limited to stereos. I am interested in listening to what you have to say as I can't get the answers I want from the regular toyota list. I am interested in lowered springs, better sway bars, Borla or other exhausts and new engines like the 18RG and how can I best get one. Thanks! Brian Simmers Name : Darin Hamilton Location : Calgary, Alberta, Canada Model : 1986 Toyota MR2 (all options except optional spoiler package) Engine : 1600cc 16-valve DOHC Mods : none (yet) -- I am looking for a place to _start_ within budget E-mail : drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca The modifications I have done to the car to date are strictly appearance-wise. I have repainted it, including 90% of all exterior moudlings (it was silver and it is now '93 4Runner Maritime blue metallic). I replaced the wheels (now 15" with 195/50's). I have tinted the windows and installed a decent Alpine stereo system. I plan to lower it approx. 1.5", and will install the optional spoiler package eventually. I am looking for ways to make it as fast as it _looks_. Exhaust mods are due in spring, and suggestions on other power-increasing tips are what I am seeking. Dan Ghidali, Raleigh, NC I own an '85 MR2 and a '87 Supra Turbo.. Mister Two has: 4AGE engine, ANSA dual exhaust, ported and polished head/intake manifold, Paeco cams/valvesprings, Jacobs computer ignition computer/ wires,TRD bushing kit/shocks/springs, 15x7 alloys with 195-50ZR15 Yokohama A008's. Will corner at 1.02G and 0-60 in 6.8s (most power is on top-end) Supra has: 7MGTE engine, Trust exhaust, thats it so far...:( xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 12:39:43 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: RWD 3SG conversions..... FYI, I spoke to someone at Kennedy adapters early last week, and they do have an adapter plate for the 3SG, however it is to connect the engine to a vw, or a porsche gear box (I get the impression they are VW/porsche people) however they do custom stuff. The price they quoted was US $420.00 which includes a flywheel, bolts and adapter plate. In any event, I know of someone in Barbados who is preparing a RWD starlet with a 3SGE engine, while I'm not sure what they are using for a gear box, the parts were sourced from either TRD, or select sales in Miami. The estimated power output is 280+ BHP, at around 10,000 RPM. The crankshaft was replaced with a steel one, the rods are carillo, and the pistons cosworth. The cams have 320 degrees of duration with 11mm of lift, and they are using dual webber 50 sidedraft carbs, and an electromotive ignition. (Suspension is equally as impressive -- anyone care to explain what "pan-hand/hard rods are?" Chris? (Of course this is a full race car, but with not so agressive cams and milder carbs, it could be totally streetable) I saw a book recently (I walk past a Bookstore called "The Worlds Biggest Bookstore" to/from work every day) that was entitled "MR2", and it featured a complete history of the MK1 MR2, including the reason toyota choose to go supercharged vs turbo. Apparently Toyota did evaluate a Turbo 4AGE, but the low end response was unsastifactory for a production car. Next they tried the 3SGE, but "The engine leans over to much on its crank axis to fit in the compact engine bay of the MR2". This book is also the third source I have come across which has indicated, that the supercharger on the 4AGZ (which spins at 1.25 times engine speed) causes the engine to sound like a large vacumn cleaner when at "full tilt" (Hope I don't offend 4AGZ owners), they claim that the engine looses the "magic note" of the naturally aspirated one (4AGZ does not use TVIS system). Does anyone care about engine note? -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 14:07:24 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Another new member No, we haven't had a huge, sudden growth spurt. Its just that now that I sent out all of those tardy introductions this morning, I want to stay "caught up" on things. Anyway, welcome James.... >>>>>James Treleaven<<<<< Name: James Treleaven Location: Ottawa, Ontario Canada Model: MR2 Turbo '93 (prospective) Mods: Modified exhaust (prospective) I intend to buy a MR2 turbo, and I am interested in what kind of extra performance I could squeeze out of it. I wouldnt post anything relating to the aquisition of the car, but only relating to performance modifications I could make to it. >>>>><<<<< xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 05:32:42 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: wHELP for Brian and his Celica Subject: Was Doors Blown Off ;) >Subject: New members (Long!) > Hi there, my name is Brian Simmers. Hi Brian... Welcome.... BTW Where in the World are ya ? Cali ? >I have a 1983 Toyota Celica. Good choice... is it a ST GT ? Supra Celica ? Wide rims ? Flair Kit ? > 22-RE FI engine. The 22R basically is a good motor. Good HP and RPM bands...good torque and good over all performance. Reliable performance is what that motor is. >I have begun a quest for more power! Ha ha ha ... How Serious do you wanna get ? Define "more power!" >My knowledge of engine and other mods is limited to stereos. High amp alternator ? >I am interested in listening to what you have to say as I can't get >the answers I want from the regular toyota list. So Brian... you the one huh ;) >I am interested in lowered springs, better sway bars, Borla or other exhausts Lowered springs should cost you about $250 for the set for your car I belive. not sure on current pricings. >and new engines like the 18RG and how can I best get one. Hmmmm new engines... the 18RG is actually a 20 year old engine ;) Try a inporter of Japan engines or Canada or some other place besides the US > Thanks! I'm sure someone else will jump on this =) > Brian Simmers Alohers... - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 10:33:57 EST From: fergusos@jeff-lab.QueensU.CA (Stephen Ferguson) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: random Corolla musings Two ideas. First one is borderline cosmetic/performance: My Corolla GT-S has pop-up headlights. Some schmuck sat on one a while ago and sheared the pivot pin. I replaced it with a bolt, but have been thinking since then that pop-ups look really stupid and are a pain in the ass in winter. I'm thinking of fabricating a replacement along the lines of the Porsche 944 Carerra (European) with fixed lights behind clear covers. Does anyone knoe where I could get suitable low-profile lamps to do this? Perhaps projectors? Does PIAA make a hi/lo and high beam projector lamp? Now for the crazy thought (bordering on sacrilege): i was reading about the Monster Miata (Ford 302 in a Miata - supercharger optional) and I started wondering if a V-8 would fit in the Corolla. I imagine it would take the balance away from the handling with all that weight up front, but it would be kind of fun to have all that torque. sjf xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 05:38:54 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Lorne's Supra Query >Name : Lorne Silkes >Location : Sharon, MA and St. Louis, MO >Model : 1988 Supra Turbo >Engine : 3.0 liter six turbo (not sure of model, cars home now) >Mods : non yet hopefully soon to be a modified suspension, higher > boost, etc. >email : lrs1@cec.wustl.edu Welcome Lorne... another refernece is the Supra Mailing list ya might wanna check into... (I dunno why WHY I keep on telling people that cause I havent' checked it out... maybe I will hmmm....) Basic things for your car. Get a Boost gauge for your car a good one that is accurate.. a Turbo Timer or such is also a good investment as also a K&N filter. If ya want better "handling" like the "sport" on your Supra and you drive with it on sport a lot then perhaps stiffer "shocks" would help. Body roll is controlled by springs and sway opps anti-roll control bars. The Supra Turbo has many many wonderful things ya can do to it... - Allen T "Koji" Kam *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 06:00:26 HST From: Allen T "Koji" Kam To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Query Aaron Late Reply ?!?!?! >From abuhr@raptor.eng.ufl.edu Mon Feb 7 16:44:25 1994 Subject: Re: Supra Article in Turbo Magazine... To: tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu. (Allen T "Koji" Kam) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:43:24 -0500 (EST) Wow... Aaron... I just got this mail... boggle this one ha ha ha > Don't go away, Koji! I've got a gleam in my eye and I'm itching >to yank the tail on my white beast... unfortunately I've got sort of >severe cash flow problems at the moment, so I'm going to have to wait >a couple months before I can buy any more toys. Actually Aaron I am no expert on the Supra turbo just what works on Pats turbo Supra. I've been "chatting" with him and taking notes on what plugs and timing and boost to run etc. I know his car can be duplicated with a 20k TOTAL investment he keeps on telling us. So I'm just documenting this down. I'll post my findings or what i plagerized to the list sometime within the end of the month. Trying to sort through all the useless infomation and such. I'm expecting a drastic improvement in my employment situation in that time frame, one >way or the other, and then I'm going to beg your help in at least getting to the embarass-Corvettes-new RX7's-3000GTs level. >:) Actually the only ones ya have to worry about are the RX-7 R1's all else are kinna trivial details that you should have little or no problems with. Any Rotary with a Turbo is trouble. > Also, I just noticed that the air intake path on the 87-92 Supra >Turbos routes the post-intercooler air right over the darn turbo >housing. Ya.... thats a flaw so to speak. Actually doing that "wrapping" has no ill effects and only bonus's. A lot of guys wrap their pipes and I don't think it has any determental ill effects on it. Also some other intercooler pipes of the aftermarket types "solve" this problem sorta.... >They route the air through 8 feet of ducting to get to the >intercooler and back, then cook it again right above the turbo just >before it enters the block... sheesh. Actually its a "design" flaw however like stated above if ya gonna get semi serious about turbo power ya change the intercooler anyway -shrug- I guess.... >I then remembered that that 12-second Supra had wrapped the >post-intercooler air ducting with some kind of thermal wrap. >Anyone have any suggestions for what I should use for similar effect? Could also thermo-cool coat your pipes if you wanted to. That would work. >I'd prefer to spend $50 or less, and settle for 80% instead of spending >$100+ for NASA materials and getting the extra 20% for 100% efficiency. Not sure about that NASA stuff... who makes it besides NASA or distrbuits it ? >Aaron - Allen T "Koji" Kam P.S. Anyone on the Supra Mailing list ? Whats the Address ? *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | Allen T "Koji" Kam tkoseki@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu | | Life Life... koji@io.soest.hawaii.edu | | Taste Death... koji%interact.uucp@netcom.com | | Speed is Pure !!!!! | | Don't let up till you see RED !! 1980 Toyota Trueno SR-5 Sports Coupe | | Advan Racing / HKS / MSD / SSR / Toyota Racing Development / Yokohama Tires | | V-8's are a Blast...but i kinna gotta have to save GAS !!! | | How SERIOUS do YOU wanna GET ??!?!?!! Sum times ya GADA pay the Price.... | | Love is the only ting dat has 2 be earned... | | Eberry ting else can be hacked ! - Reflex the Kismet Thief of Hearts | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 09:35:00 -0700 (MST) From: Darin Ray Hamilton Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica To: Allen T Koji Kam Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Allen T Koji Kam wrote: > Hmmmm new engines... the 18RG is actually a 20 year old engine ;) > Try a inporter of Japan engines or Canada or some other place besides the US I live up here in the Great White North, and I have yet to find a shop that will replace my 4AGE in my '86 MR2 with anything other than a 4AG-EZ (from the '88-89 Superchanged MR2, right?). Is there a larger displacement engine that will properly mount in my engine bay? Is there a Canadian importer that you know of that can get early-model MR2 engines from Japan? If I had the $$$, I'd go with dual side-draft Weber carbs on my existing block, along with a bigger stroke crank-and-pistons kit to bump up to 1.8L (approx)... But I'm not sinking Can$5000 into a car worth Can$7000. Any comments? ...Darin (. )(. ) -------------------###--\/\/\/\/--###--- | Darin Ray Hamilton | | 4th year MIS (BComm) | | University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA | | e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca | ---------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 15:08:29 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica Darin, >I live up here in the Great White North, and I have yet to find a shop >that will replace my 4AGE in my '86 MR2 with anything other than a 4AG-EZ >(from the '88-89 Superchanged MR2, right?). > >Is there a larger displacement engine that will properly mount in my >engine bay? You can get enough power out of the 4AGE to keep you happy for a while. , You should be able to turn your naturally aspirated 16 into a 14.X second 1/4 miler within a reasonable budget. >Is there a Canadian importer that you know of that can get early-model >MR2 engines from Japan? There are many computerised junk yards in Toronto/southern Ontario, where you can find stuff like this, however its not as though they have a stack of engines sitting in a corner. You periodically have to make checks (just phone, and they can check their database).. (The way this winter has turned out --record auto insurance claims,.. Come springtime the junk yards will be overflowing with people looking for bargains (last spring you had to line up for the $35 entry fee/take all you want "sales"). There is also a place called Japan Auto imports in Toronto, and they do import the more popular engines. >If I had the $$$, I'd go with dual side-draft Weber carbs on my existing >block, along with a bigger stroke crank-and-pistons kit to bump up to >1.8L (approx)... >But I'm not sinking Can$5000 into a car worth Can$7000. > >Any comments? > Stroker kits are ok, but probably not worth what TRD/HKS charge for them. These things are ideally suited to low end response. Recall that short stroke engines rev higher, and quicker than their long stroke counterparts. No need to take the plunge all at once! A Good chronological order would be: intake/exhaust system Engine (carbs/manifold,fuel pump) However, since you have an EFI system in place, you might want to discard the stock toyota stuff! and go with an aftermarket company such as electromotive/haltech etc.. who can supply an engine management system you can program to suit your needs. The toyota formula atlantic engines (same base as your 1.6) switched to EFI (from carbs) this year, and the overall performance has improved (supposedly 50 BHP more horsepower at 5000 RPM than last years carb. setup). From a maintenance point of view, an EFI setup could save you $ in the long run. ignition (coil/spark box) head (cams,cam gears) -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 15:39:25 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: random Corolla musings I'm not sure if chris put it on the Mosaic server, but I sent him a picture of a european spec corolla GTS without the popup headlights.. Check there for an option.. >Two ideas. First one is borderline cosmetic/performance: > >My Corolla GT-S has pop-up headlights. Some schmuck sat on one a while >ago and sheared the pivot pin. I replaced it with a bolt, but have been >thinking since then that pop-ups look really stupid and are a pain in the >ass in winter. I'm thinking of fabricating a replacement along the lines >of the Porsche 944 Carerra (European) with fixed lights behind clear >covers. Does anyone knoe where I could get suitable low-profile lamps >to do this? Perhaps projectors? Does PIAA make a hi/lo and high beam >projector lamp? > Depending on how bad you wanted to be different, you could import the body panels/lights for one of these European corollas, and have a Body shop sort it out for you. >Now for the crazy thought (bordering on sacrilege): > >i was reading about the Monster Miata (Ford 302 in a Miata - supercharger >optional) and I started wondering if a V-8 would fit in the Corolla. >I imagine it would take the balance away from the handling with all that >weight up front, but it would be kind of fun to have all that torque. > next I suppose you'll be singing ;-) "Have you driven a Toyota Lately" -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:36:34 -0700 (MST) From: Darin Ray Hamilton Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica To: Roger Smith Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Roger Smith wrote: > You can get enough power out of the 4AGE to keep you happy for a while. , > You should be able to turn your naturally aspirated 16 into a 14.X second > 1/4 miler within a reasonable budget. > > There are many computerised junk yards in Toronto/southern Ontario, where > you can find stuff like this, however its not as though they have a stack > of engines sitting in a corner. You periodically have to make checks (just > phone, and they can check their database).. (The way this winter has > turned out --record auto insurance claims,.. Come springtime the junk yards > will be overflowing with people looking for bargains (last spring you had > to line up for the $35 entry fee/take all you want "sales"). There is also > a place called Japan Auto imports in Toronto, and they do import the more > popular engines. I'm in Calgary, Alberta: well over 1000 miles from Toronto. Does anyone know of a place-for-parts in Calgary, Edmonton, or Vancouver/Victoria? > No need to take the plunge all at once! > A Good chronological order would be: > > intake/exhaust system Already planned for spring. I don't know what to do to the intake, but I'm going to run a straight pipe to a high-performance muffler (maybe a SuperTrapp) and disable the EGR (any ideas on this?). (note: there are no emmisions laws in Alberta) > Engine (carbs/manifold,fuel pump) > However, since you have an EFI system in place, you might want to discard > the stock toyota stuff! and go with an aftermarket company such as > electromotive/haltech etc.. who can supply an engine management system you > can program to suit your needs. The toyota formula atlantic engines (same > base as your 1.6) switched to EFI (from carbs) this year, and the overall > performance has improved (supposedly 50 BHP more horsepower at 5000 RPM > than last years carb. setup). From a maintenance point of view, an EFI > setup could save you $ in the long run. I'm assuming you think a whole new EFI system is better than simply boring out the stock injectors. How much (US$ or Can$) would the system you suggest cost? How would I modify my intake to accomodate it? How much power gain can I _realistically_ expect, after the exhaust is done and the intake modified? (note: I want a bit more low-end, but I _love_ to rev!) > ignition (coil/spark box) > > head (cams,cam gears) I'll probably leave these. I'm only keeping the car for 3 years _max_, but I still wanna have fun NOW! :) ...Darin (. )(. ) -------------------###--\/\/\/\/--###--- | Darin Ray Hamilton | | 4th year MIS (BComm) | | University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA | | e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca | ---------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Brian Simmers Subject: More info on Brian To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:12:40 -0800 (PST) This will help fill in some of the blanks Name : Brian Simmers Location : Simon Fraser University, B.C., Canada Car: 83 Celica GT- wide mags, wheel flares and IRS Engine : 22-RE Mods : Alpine/pioneer system, new paint and tinted windows What I would like to have: Within the next two months I want to lower my car about 1.5 inches. I find the stock handling crappy. The car bounces around at high speeds. I have also considered sway bars. Engine and exhaust can wait, I want to concentate on handling. What I need: Sources? (TRD?) How hard is it to find a set of lowered springs for a Celica. Will just springs cut it or do other things need to be modified. I am open to any other suggestions for my car! Thanks, Brian xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 18:38:31 CST From: J Grant Montgomery To: Subject: Re: Query Aaron - Supra list Address > >>Aaron > >- Allen T "Koji" Kam > >P.S. Anyone on the Supra Mailing list ? Whats the Address ? > I think I can help you guys out on that one. I'm on it - well not physically (Ha! :), but here is the address you wanted: supras-request@vicor.com and if that does not work try: supras@vicor.com. Grant UT BAD1 / '85 Toyota Celica Supra 5-Speed & Alpine CD / WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu / Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 09:21:32 -0700 (MST) From: Darin Ray Hamilton Subject: Re: Query Aaron - Supra list Address To: J Grant Montgomery Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, J Grant Montgomery wrote: > > > >>Aaron > > > >- Allen T "Koji" Kam > > > >P.S. Anyone on the Supra Mailing list ? Whats the Address ? > > > I think I can help you guys out on that one. I'm on it - well not > physically (Ha! :), but here is the address you wanted: > > supras-request@vicor.com and if that does not work try: > > supras@vicor.com. > > Grant > > UT BAD1 / '85 Toyota Celica Supra 5-Speed & Alpine CD > > / WA24%UTMARTN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu > > / Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!!! > Is there also an MR2 mailing list somewhere? ...Darin (. )(. ) -------------------###--\/\/\/\/--###--- | Darin Ray Hamilton | | 4th year MIS (BComm) | | University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA | | e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca | ---------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:42:11 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica >I'm in Calgary, Alberta: well over 1000 miles from Toronto. >Does anyone know of a place-for-parts in Calgary, Edmonton, or >Vancouver/Victoria? > Look in the yellow pages for auto wreckers.. You may see one that caters for "Late model imports" >> intake/exhaust system > >Already planned for spring. I don't know what to do to the intake, but >I'm going to run a straight pipe to a high-performance muffler (maybe a >SuperTrapp) and disable the EGR (any ideas on this?). > Fred's post on this: ============================================================================== >Here comes fredo's $0.02 (burp): > >What I did (had done, actually) on my 88 'rolla GTS (FWD) is as follows: >- delete the entire convoluted nasty airbox >- make or have made an adaptor which bolts onto the airflow meter (AFM) >and converts this square hole to a round pipe about 2" in diameter >- get a K&N airfilter which is essentially a cylinder with one end plugged >and held onto a ~2" pipe (haha!) by a large hose clamp > >The adaptor is really easy to make with a hacksaw, vice for squeezing the >round pipe square at one end and a welder. Presto! An HKS power-flow filter! > >As I said, I had this done AND LOVED THE RESULTS! The best free-flow you'll >ever find (with a filter in place). > >(you will of course also need some 1" wide strip of metal to bolt the AFM to >to hold the whole works up so the filter doesn't rub on anything.) > >My total bill cam to about $100 CAN ($50 for the filter and 1 hour labour) >which >I feel was quite reasonable considering I have no patience for metalworking! ============================================================================== > >> Engine (carbs/manifold,fuel pump) > >I'm assuming you think a whole new EFI system is better than simply >boring out the stock injectors. How much (US$ or Can$) would the system >you suggest cost? How would I modify my intake to accomodate it? How >much power gain can I _realistically_ expect, after the exhaust is done >and the intake modified? > The cost of switching your car to carbs, would be close to the cost of buying an electromotive system (Electromotive TEC-1 was US $9xx when last I checked) If you are not planning on adding cams, then you probably don't need the flexibility of the aftermarket EFI. The stock toyota ECU, is supposed to be able to handle up to 145 BHP without trouble. Output is hard to guestimate, figure on a 15-20% increase. At low RPM the ECU uses feedback to regulate air/fuel mixture, at higher RPM's it uses an engine map. Simply adding bigger injectors without anything else will not be a bonus. >(note: I want a bit more low-end, but I _love_ to rev!) >> ignition (coil/spark box) >> head (cams,cam gears) > >I'll probably leave these. I'm only keeping the car for 3 years _max_, >but I still wanna have fun NOW! :) > -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 14:15:44 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Coils and stuff Things were getting a little quiet 'round here... If you remember back to my last race I mentioned that the car was running pathetically (even though I won) and I thought I might be getting fouled plugs from an over-rich mixture. Steve at AEM told me that if anything my jetting sounded overly lean, and that the black plugs were probably coming from a weak spark. Anyway, I switched to a cooler heat range plug and got a BIG coil. (BTW, based on an article kindly provided by Roger, a good rule of thumb for initial carb jetting is 4xchoke-plate-size on the mains and 5x on the air correctors. In other words, with my dual 38, I can use 4x38=152 mains and 5x38=190 airs as a guideline. I am running 135 mains and 185 airs, so I am indeed on the lean side a bit.) The stock NGK plug for the 2xR is the BP(R, optional)5EA, the 5 being the heat range. In NGK's, they go hotter to cooler on the smaller to larger numbers (note that most plugs are hotter as the number gets bigger.) Anyway, NGK doesn't make a 6 or 7 in the EA, so I got a BPR7ES, which is what Nissan runs (amoung other applications.) Now, evidently it is common amoung racers to run a bit cooler plug than stock, but doesn't it seem like if I'm not getting good fuel burn I'd want to go with a _hotter_ plug? Maybe its a plug/coil combo thing. Comments? On the coil, I dropped $50 on one of those Accel Super Coils. Anybody used these? The instructions call for installing the coil in place of the stock coil, plus adding this in line resistor to the "+" lead, except for a few applications. Anybody ever added one of these? Also, I left the ignitor in the circuit. Should I have cut that out with the stock coil? Back to the spark plugs, I decided to over-gap them and see how they do. I have them set at .049 right now, and I'll see how they do in the hot laps. Any comments on plug gapping? Finally, with the new, clean spark plugs and new coil in, I ran the engine a bit to warm it up prior to adjusting the valves. I pulled the plugs again, and noted that while 3 and 4 were already a tad dirty, 1 and 2 were clean. Sounds to me like either bad wires/connections to the 3 and 4 plugs, or a strange flow problem. Remember that I have the synchronous 38mm carb, which opens both plates simultaneously (mechanically). Both plates open facing each other, so its not like the plates are setup such that the fuel/air mix is being dumped towards the back of the engine or the front. Other than that, I got my roll bar back in from the old car (except for the door bars, they'll have to wait) and the driving seat. My driving seat kinna sux, but it does sit me a good 3-4 inches lower and probably 5 inches closer to the back, which is very good. Hopefully I'll be springing for a nice $200 Butler-Built seat in the near future. -- _ ____| \__ '82 4x4 Christopher P. Myer {_^____^_} (cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com) @ @ (407) 725-8742 ___ Melbourne, Florida ____/ ||:. '81 Celica GT <_^___81_^__) @ @ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 12:38:13 -0700 From: Jim_Chott-RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE>Coils and stuff Chris wrote: >On the coil, I dropped $50 on one of those Accel Super Coils. >Anybody used these? The instructions call for installing the coil >in place of the stock coil, plus adding this in line resistor to >the "+" lead, except for a few applications. Anybody ever added one >of these? Also, I left the ignitor in the circuit. Should I have >cut that out with the stock coil? I've got one of those Accel coils in my car, complete with the ballast resistor. The purpose for this is to limit current through the points in my case (72 Pontiac LeMans) by adding series resistance with the coil. I think the primary resistance on the Accel is lower than a stock coil. Some Chrysler products came from the factory with a ballast resistor, and may not need an additional one. The igniter seems to be a power transistor of some type, and I am not sure exactly what it does. Probably amplifies the current from the spark trigger in the distributor so the coil primary gets more current. The trigger mechanism may not be able to supply enough power to the coil to produce good spark. Anyone know if the igniter is only present with electronic ignition systems? If this is the case, yes you do need the igniter connected. (Have to study the schematic in the manual to see what it looks like). Jim Chott xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 14:46:53 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: RE>Coils and stuff > The igniter seems to be a power transistor of some type, and I am not > sure exactly what it does. Probably amplifies the current from the spark > trigger in the distributor so the coil primary gets more current. The > trigger mechanism may not be able to supply enough power to the coil to > produce good spark. Anyone know if the igniter is only present with > electronic ignition systems? If this is the case, yes you do need the > igniter connected. One interesting point I forgot to mention is that the ignitor _must_ be grounded for the ignition to work. Even if you pull the stock coil and leave the ignitor in, you'd better bolt that baby to something metal. Speaking of which, if you wanted to _really_ screw somebody up without actually damaging their car, just put a couple of plastic grommets in where the ignitor bolts to the coil holder. They'd never find that, and the car would never run until they did. (Ok, now you know what a devious mind I have.) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 13:07:56 -0800 From: Joe Woodsprite To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE: Coils and stuff Just a thought.... Has anyone who has installed a Super Coil noticed any increase in engine noise leaking through into the stereo system? Go directly to Jail, Do not pass GO, Do not collect $200, Woodsprite ******************************************************************************* ** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** ** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** ** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** ** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** ** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** ** takes to find her. * * *** ** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** ******************************************************************************* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Gary H To: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com, toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: RE>Coils and stuff Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 13:08:35 PST >Speaking of which, if you wanted to _really_ screw somebody up without >actually damaging their car, just put a couple of plastic grommets in >where the ignitor bolts to the coil holder. They'd never find that, and >the car would never run until they did. (Ok, now you know what a >devious mind I have.) > >Chris HAHAHA! I don't know about you Chris :). I can see them looking at a perfectly installed ignitor and never noticing the grommets as being the culprit (and its probably literally under their nose). Gary xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 17:58:33 -0700 (MST) From: Darin Ray Hamilton Subject: Re: wHELP for Brian and his Celica To: Roger Smith Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Roger Smith wrote: > > The cost of switching your car to carbs, would be close to the cost of > buying an electromotive system (Electromotive TEC-1 was US $9xx when last I > checked) If you are not planning on adding cams, then you probably don't > need the flexibility of the aftermarket EFI. The stock toyota ECU, is > supposed to be able to handle up to 145 BHP without trouble. Output is hard > to guestimate, figure on a 15-20% increase. > > At low RPM the ECU uses feedback to regulate air/fuel mixture, at higher > RPM's it uses an engine map. Simply adding bigger injectors without > anything else will not be a bonus. > I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. You said I could expect 15-20% increase in bhp. Is that _with_ or _without_ an aftermarket EFI system? If it's without, how do I get more power? ...Darin (. )(. ) -------------------###--\/\/\/\/--###--- | Darin Ray Hamilton | | 4th year MIS (BComm) | | University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA | | e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca | ---------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 08:31:16 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Bad Bat'rie Well, I made all of those coil and plug mods, started the car fine, blah-blah-blah, then I pulled the battery out to weld the racing seat mount in. (Remember that my battery is behind the driver's seat.) Anyway I get the seat in, get the battery back in, go to start it and nothing but a poing and all the lights going off when I put the key in the start position. OK, must be a dead battery, right? Put the charger on (noticing that its not pulling many amps at first, but not thinking much about it) and charge it up a while. Try to start it. Poing. Ok, _very_ simple system here, must be the starter. Get a new starter out of the parts pile in the garage, put it on, poing. Hmmm, must be bad connections. Tighten everything, poing. Now I'm getting a bit pissed. Pull up the mighty Oldsmobile and try to jump start 'er. Poing. Get the starter/charger, set 'er on 125 amps let it boil a second. Sparks from the battery area and poing. Finally, get the battery out of the Mazda-rati. Drop 'er in. Vrrooommm. Whatcha think, battery shorted or something? I know this isn't really too much mods stuff, but maybe my mods killed my battery? I hope not, cause I only idled with it for about 10 minutes or so, and didn't even drive it with the new coil/plugs before it died. Probably coincidence. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 09:12:38 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: 4AGE mods > >I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. >You said I could expect 15-20% increase in bhp. >Is that _with_ or _without_ an aftermarket EFI system? >If it's without, how do I get more power? > You can get up to 10% more power just from exhaust/intake modifications. After that, different cams, will add up the rest (note, It is not a linear addition scale however). You can use some of TRD's cams with the stock EFI system. The aftermarket EFI, is only if you want to go over 150 BHP. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 09:32:07 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Address for Paeco (Q) Maybe Dan Ghidali could answer this. (Chris you forgot to give his addresss) Can someone supply a number for Paeco? I along with mechanic friend pulled the gear box out of my car last night to replace a "popped" rear main seal --supposedly caused by excessive crank case pressure (more on this later) anyhow, I am searching for a lightweight flywheel for my 4AGE, and understand that Paeco has stuff like this for most Toyotas. Anyone want to comment on the prospect of having a machine shop shave a couple of pounds of my stock flywheel --Stock is ~25 lbs, aftermarket stuff is ~10lbs (of course I'll make sure they balance it once finished) -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 09:55:32 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Address for Paeco (Q) My thanks to Jeff Burney..... >PAECO Import Parts >2400 Mountain Drive >Birmingham, AL 35226 >(800) 326-6401 - Orders >(205) 823-7278 - Technical Info -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:22:58 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Address for Paeco (Q) > Anyone want to comment on the prospect of having a machine shop shave a > couple of pounds of my stock flywheel --Stock is ~25 lbs, aftermarket stuff > is ~10lbs (of course I'll make sure they balance it once finished) Cutting a few pounds off your flywheel is a very common practice amoung budget racers. The point is not to do too much. How much is too much? Well, if your flywheel explodes one day on the track, that was too much. Other than that, it is a balance between how much common sense you have and how big your cajones are. I wouldn't try to achieve 10 lbs with a stock flywheel. BTW, exploding flywheels can cause extensive engine/gearbox damage. I kinda think I'm gonna wait until I can afford an aftermarket flywheel myself, but I have plenty of friends who successfully run shaved stock flywheels. Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:23:31 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Address for Paeco (Q) > >Cutting a few pounds off your flywheel is a very common practice amoung >budget racers. The point is not to do too much. How much is too much? >Well, if your flywheel explodes one day on the track, that was too >much. Other than that, it is a balance between how much common sense >you have and how big your cajones are. I wouldn't try to achieve 10 lbs >with a stock flywheel. > >BTW, exploding flywheels can cause extensive engine/gearbox damage. I >kinda think I'm gonna wait until I can afford an aftermarket flywheel >myself, but I have plenty of friends who successfully run shaved stock >flywheels. > At least my engine isn't transversly mounted, so that If the flywheel should really come loose, it will go out one side of the engine.. I heard of a case where a guy with a mini had the flywheel land in his lap. (He was more shocked than injured) In reality I think the extra dollars for a TRD/HKS etc... flywheel are worth the peace of mind... I also intend to put the flywheel back on with the bigger bolts which TRD recommends... -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) Subject: Lightened Flywheel To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (Toyota Mods) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 10:51:35 EST > >kinda think I'm gonna wait until I can afford an aftermarket flywheel > >myself, but I have plenty of friends who successfully run shaved stock > >flywheels. I forgot what kind of car this is but in case it's a non-1985 MR2 MkI, you'll need to put a clutch from a 1985 MR2 in with the HKS flywheel. And make sure you check the fit before you disassemble the car. I didn't check it before tearing apart my '86 and ended up having to send back the flywheel to TRD. :-( xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 12:10:25 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: Lightened Flywheel >I forgot what kind of car this is but in case it's a non-1985 MR2 MkI, >you'll need to put a clutch from a 1985 MR2 in with the HKS >flywheel. And make sure you check the fit before you disassemble >the car. I didn't check it before tearing apart my '86 and >ended up having to send back the flywheel to TRD. :-( My set up, is a RWD 4AGE<->corolla gts gear box. I called Paeco, and they want __$390__ for their alloy flywheels.... cough, cough.. (Race is 6lbs, street is 9.5 lbs..) As this is more than I want to spend, I may go for the TRD flywheel which is cheaper. The 4 paddle metallic clutch, I have in mind, is not even from HKS/TRD, but I was told, that it works with the stock pressure plate/flywheel. I believe the situation, is more critical for the various MK-1 MR2's,FX-16's but I don't anticipate any problems with my setup... BTW Paeco have free catalogs, ($5.00 if outside USA --chargable via credit card), --I didn't order one..... PS, my mechanic, doesn't think that my Starlet is heavy enough, or the engine puts out enough torque to justify the cost of a metallic clutch/heavy duty pressure plate, indeed the clutch I took out, still has plenty of life in it. (It's probably about 3 years old, and has seen *much* abuse in that period) comments? -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: GRAHAM@cc1.unt.edu To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 11:30:53 CST6CDT Subject: Re: Bad Bat'rie >get the battery out of the Mazda-rati. Drop 'er in. Vrrooommm. >Whatcha think, battery shorted or something? I know this isn't really >too much mods stuff, but maybe my mods killed my battery? I hope not, >cause I only idled with it for about 10 minutes or so, and didn't even >drive it with the new coil/plugs before it died. Probably coincidence. > >Chris I once let a bad solenoid eat two batteries before I could trace the problem. The constant, and LARGE, draw was overloading the battery. Are you saying that you car started and ran for 10 minutes with the battery from the Mazda, or was this with the original battery? If the Celica is doing fine on the battery from the Mazda, and is drawing about 14.5 volts, then it souunds like the problem can be isolated to the original battery...but then you probably already know that. Anyways, it's surprising how frail some batteries are. Even the slightest jar can sometimes knock a plate loose and cause a short. This is frequently the case when a car is involved in a fender bender and then won't start. You didn't drop that puppy did you? mike p.s. Just curious, do you get to do any on-track testing? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 13:56:57 EST From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com (Chris Myer) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Bad Bat'rie > Are you saying that you car started and ran for 10 minutes with > the battery from the Mazda, or was this with the original battery? > If the Celica is doing fine on the battery from the Mazda, and is > drawing about 14.5 volts, then it souunds like the problem can be > isolated to the original battery...but then you probably already know > that. After I did the mods, I put in the original battery and started the car. Later that battery wouldn't work and the one from the Mazda started the car. > > Anyways, it's surprising how frail some batteries are. Even the > slightest jar can sometimes knock a plate loose and cause a short. > This is frequently the case when a car is involved in a fender bender > and then won't start. > > You didn't drop that puppy did you? heh heh heh, well, I didn't drop it, but if you ever saw our races you'd realize that anything inside the car during the race gets enough abuse. There are off-road racers who get jarred less during their races. Fender Bender? I get a new fender bent every time I go onto the track! Looking at a series of my race pictures makes the car look like it is falling apart in place! Every Saturday morning after a race I feel like I layed on the track during the race. Yeah, I suppose I coulda gotten jarred a bit. > > mike > > p.s. Just curious, do you get to do any on-track testing? Well, kinda sorta. The track is about an hour away, so I don't make it over there except for race day. (Mainly this is because I don't think they allow you on the track when its not "open", although I don't think its locked up or anything.) If I get there really early (around 4:00) I can get some time, but I usually can't afford to do that work-wise. Then, before the races start at 8:00 they give us about 5 or 6 hot-laps. Not much, but better than nothing, and I'm really gonna need it tonight. I'm about to start a whining campaign to move our class to a higher state of legitimacy so that we get a heat race as well as a feature, like the other classes (5 V8 and one other 4 cylinder). Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 12:36:28 -0700 (MST) From: Darin Ray Hamilton Subject: Re: 4AGE mods To: Roger Smith Cc: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com On Fri, 25 Feb 1994, Roger Smith wrote: > >I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. > >You said I could expect 15-20% increase in bhp. > >Is that _with_ or _without_ an aftermarket EFI system? > >If it's without, how do I get more power? > > You can get up to 10% more power just from exhaust/intake modifications. > After that, different cams, will add up the rest (note, It is not a linear > addition scale however). You can use some of TRD's cams with the stock EFI > system. The aftermarket EFI, is only if you want to go over 150 BHP. Do you know how much TRD charges for a good cam for my '86 MR2? (I'm interested very little in fuel economy and emissions) Also, how can I get a catalog from them? I'd also like suggestions on what to do to my intake, and how to safely disable my emmissions controls (e.g., EGR system). Thanks again! ...Darin (. )(. ) -------------------###--\/\/\/\/--###--- | Darin Ray Hamilton | | 4th year MIS (BComm) | | University of Calgary, Alberta, CANADA | | e-mail: drhamilt@acs.ucalgary.ca | ---------------------------------------- xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 14:10:19 -0800 From: Joe Woodsprite To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: RE Lightened Flywheel Ok I'm assuming that all this flywheel lightening is to allow the engine to rev up faster and happier. What are the other advantages of doing this? Any disadvantages? If not why isn't this done stock? Helping to stamp out and abolish redundancy, Woodsprite PS If anybody out there is planning a trip through Oregon, be careful the fines on all traffic infractions have just been trippled as a revenue enhancement. ******************************************************************************* ** * 1983 Celica ST * Joe Woodsprite *** ** Looking for Julie, * * Unsafe at any speed *** ** Whereever I go. * I don't drive * *** ** --- * fast. * lantera@kira.csos.orst.edu *** ** I'll do what it * I fly low. * lanteran@xanth.cs.orst.edu *** ** takes to find her. * * *** ** * 72 Honda CB350 * *** ******************************************************************************* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: GRAHAM@cc1.unt.edu To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 16:21:31 CST6CDT Subject: RE Lightened Flywheel >Ok I'm assuming that all this flywheel lightening is to allow the engine to >rev up faster and happier. What are the other advantages of doing this? Any >disadvantages? If not why isn't this done stock? Well, when dealing with flywheel weights there are some tradeoffs. For example, a flywheel weighing 30 pounds will store more energy than a flywheel weighing 10 punds. This is why some 4wheelers like the heavier than stock flywheels becuase they deliver more torque. A heavier flywheel can also improve take-offs if you are running large tires/wheels. I've always wondered about mpg though. Seems like a lighter flywheel would improve mpg, and a heavier one would decrease mpg. I would imagine a marginal amount though. mike xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 17:27:41 -0500 To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com From: roger@resunix.ri.sickkids.on.ca (Roger Smith) Subject: Re: RE Lightened Flywheel >Ok I'm assuming that all this flywheel lightening is to allow the engine to >rev up faster and happier. What are the other advantages of doing this? Any >disadvantages? If not why isn't this done stock? > Actually some manufacturers do. The Acura integra GSR's have titanium connecting rods, and lighter flywheels as compared to the regular models (13-15 lbs comes to mind) With light flywheels, Engine response is much better, and is especially beneficial for those on/off throttle situations. Trade off, is that the engine runs rougher, as the flywheel is what helps smoothen out the power stroke cycles. In some 4 cyclinder engines, there is a period when no cyclinder is firing, and the flywheels inertia, is what helps to bring the piston up. -- Roger Smith | Research Computing Services, Software Development | The Hospital for Sick Children, Internet:roger@sickkids.on.ca | Toronto, Canada. (416)-813-5779 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: aml2@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Struts/Disc Brakes Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 18:07:03 +0000 From: "A.M.Lagden" Does anybody on this list know whether it is possible to install the front struts from an 82-84 celica (with vented disc brakes), on a 79-81 celica? Mainly i want the vented discs, but the caliper is different ect, so i thought it might be easier to change the whole strut. (unless anybody has any other ideas or knows of any aftermarket brake kits available for the RA40 celica?) Andy. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:01:13 -0800 (PST) To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Cc: SAVE@CPVA.SAIC.COM Subject: Re: Struts/Disc Brakes . . Thoughts on upgrading to 82+ vented disks deleted . . . Andrew, I'm failing to see the value added by this endeavor for an RA40 chassis. Are you having warping problems with the stock rotors?? A quick call to a dealership will tell you if 78-84 struts are identical. I doubt it. Hence the mod may also require 82+ control arms+cross member+strut bar+stabilizer bar. Then there's a question of alignment. If overheatings a concern, why not invest in a high end pad and some brake cooling ducts?? I seriously doubt a brake upgrade kit exists for an RA40 since it would have to include rotors and calipers (vented disks are about twice as thick as solid, so stock calipers would be incompatible). The cost to benefit ratio just isn't there to manufactures such things for this car. Clark xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: cmyer@su102a.ess.harris.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 08:28:12 EST To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com Subject: Re: Struts/Disc Brakes > Does anybody on this list know whether it is possible to install the front > struts from an 82-84 celica (with vented disc brakes), on a 79-81 celica? > > Mainly i want the vented discs, but the caliper is different ect, so i > thought it might be easier to change the whole strut. > (unless anybody has any other ideas or knows of any aftermarket brake kits > available for the RA40 celica?) > > Andy. It's been my experience that anything will just about fit anything else, so long as its a similar part and you don't mind doing some "re-engineering." I don't know what you're planning on doing with your brakes, but, like Clark said, I kinna fail to see the immediate benefit, unless you wiped out a strut in a wreck or something and just wanna put on something better. I guess maybe you need something like that for heavy roadracing applications, if that's what you're doing. An even better upgrade is your rear brakes. You can pull the entire rear-end out of a late-70's Supra, bolt it into your Celica without any modifications, and get rear disc brakes _plus_ the 7.5" third member, which is much cheaper to get a limited slip differential for. (Pardon the dangling participle!) Chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: fjo-toymod@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:34:09 CST To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list) Subject: Re: Lightened Flywheel on 4AGE Just passing this on: When I had the clutch replaced in my 88 'Rolla GTS (4AGE) I asked about lightening the flywheel....either by buying one or by machining out the stock one. At the time I had not done too many mods so my favorite mechanic (who is STILL my favorite mechanic) advised that a lighter flywheel would be more money than any additional "fun" would be worth. He did look at the stock one with respect to machining and ended up advising against it because he was not satisfied that the structural integrity of the 'wheel would not be compromised. Because I REALLY did not want the hassle/cost of a 'wheel failing I agreed and we didn't do this. Also of interest is that in some cases the performance cams (I have the HKS "street" ones - can't remember the statistics) cause the engine to idle rougher so it may be better to have the heavier 'wheel to smooth this out a bit. (Feel free to debate this.....) Regards, Fredo (trying to be more active on the list! honest!) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: fjo-toymod@majikthise.wpg.paramax.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:40:33 CST To: toyota-mods@su102a.ess.harris.com (toyota-mods mailing list) Subject: Larger injectors - a cheaper alternative A few months ago I was trying to price out larger injectors for my 4AGE and dicovered that these darn things are expensive even from a wrecker (if you can find any Toyota's that is!). I talked to my much-regarded favorite mechanic and he said....why not try an adjustable fuel pressure regulator to up the fuel pressure thereby increasing the fuel flow? That way if you don't like it you can always adjust it back or down without having to throw away $400 in injectors? The regulator is going to run about $50 or so. I am going to try this this spring right after I get my Electromotive HP-V3 direct-fire ignition installed (thanks Roger!). I will certainly advise the list how both of these mods turn out. I want to do the ignition first so I have the extra spark power (and the PC interface so I can actually do some "quantitative" acceleration measurement) to burn the richer mixture. Anyone else thinking of trying this increased fuel pressure thingy? Again, Fredo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx