Toyota-Mods Postings August 1996

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ _______ ^^^ ^^^ ,' - _ ^^^ ^^^ ________,'__________>>> - _ ^ ^^^ ^^^ , ' | ^^^ ^^^ ~I~ I~I \ / I~I ~I~ .~. _ I\/I I~I I~\ <~ ^^^ ^^^ I I_I | I_I I I~I I I I_I I_/ _> ^^^ ^^^ `---\__/----------------\__/----' ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ P O S T I N G S Aug 1996 ^^^ ^^^ --------------------------- ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 01 Aug 96 06:38:41 EDT From: Richard Hopewell <101577.2305@compuserve.com> Cc: "(unknown)" , Subject: Re[2]: MR2-T Wheel/Tire Upgrade I have just changed the wheels and tires on my '90 MR2 MKII. I've got Antera 121 16x7.5 all round. I found it difficult to get wheels at an affordable price that would give me 16x7.0 front and 16x7.5 rear, which is what I worked out to be the optimum for what I wanted to do with power etc. I have Pirelli Pzero's all round with 205/45 front and 225/45 rear, and the handling is 300% better! I wouldn't go bigger than 205 front as any larger than that will make the stearing very difficult to cope with. I found that by moving up to 205 the car "tram-lined" badly. However now I have altered the pressures (f&r) as in the MR2 FAQ this tendency has almost completely dissappeared. cheers, Richard Hopewell 101577,2305@compuserve.com ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Harry Wang", INTERNET:hwang@orthanc.nchip.COM TO: (unknown), INTERNET:JGROSPE@CYBERSPACE.CYBERAUTO.COM (unknown), INTERNET:TOYOTA-MODS@CYBERSPACE.CYBERAUTO.COM DATE: 26/07/96 18:27 RE: Re[2]: MR2-T Wheel/Tire Upgrade Sender: toyota-mods-owner@cyberauto.com Received: from cyberspace.cyberauto.com (CyberSpace.CyberAuto.Com [199.0.8.64]) by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA13267; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:05:27 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cyberspace.cyberauto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA09472 for toyota-mods-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:25:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 08:43:25 PST From: "Harry Wang" Message-Id: <9606268383.AA838395312@orthanc.nchip.com> To: jgrospe@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re[2]: MR2-T Wheel/Tire Upgrade Sender: owner-toyota-mods@CyberAuto.Com Precedence: bulk Do the front and rear tires on an MR2 Turbo have to be different? Can both front and rear tires be 225/45ZR/16, for example? Or is 225 too wide for the front? How does this effect the handling characteristics? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: MR2-T Wheel/Tire Upgrade Author: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) at SMTP Date: 07/26/1996 8:27 AM >I'm about to dress up my '92 MR2 Turbo and this is what I have in mind. >I've thought about it long and hard and the moment of truth seems not too >far away. At this point, your comments are most welcomed. > >Replace stock rims and tires with....... > >Front: BBS RZII 16X7.5 with Yokohama AVS Intermediate 205/45ZR16 >Rear: BBS RZII 16X7.5 with Yokohama AVS Intermediate 225/45ZR16 > >Feedback please on performance, fit, alternatives, etc. Thanks so much. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:43:41 +1000 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bilzilla@zeta.org.au (Bill Sherwood) Subject: Re: fuel filters...... >> >If the filter was clogged, it would let less fuel through. >> >Therefore, the car would run leaner. >> >Hense, get better mileage. >> > >> >Am I way off here??? > Hmmm, wot I reckon might happen is that the EFI computer would compensate for the slightly lower fuel pressure by increasing the injector pulse width. It'd do this because of the 'closed loop' feedback system provided by the O2 sensor - but! - This doesn't work with full throttle, so whilst it would (should, to a point) drive quite normally with light throttle, when you hit the GO pedal you'd have to be down on power .... BTW, there's a fairly large margin of error built into the system, ie, the pump is about 75 psi (5 bar) running free, but the fuel rail is regulated down to about 38 psi. (But is altered slightly by the inlet manifold vacuum, eg, at idle, fuel px is low(er), and at full throttle is high(er). ) Sound about right? The B man. ~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~ Dum volvo, video disco Em tasal, wantok. ** Another pothole in the Information Superhighway ** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Gregory Chan" To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:58:38 EDT Subject: Variable fuel pressure regulator Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone has come across a variable fuel pressure regulator which would fit on the fuel rail of the 4AG EFI system. gchan@compserv.senecac.on.ca xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: QUI HONG To: MR2 Digest , Subject: Momo Rims for sale Hi, The other day i read that someone on the list was looking for some rims to buy for there wife. Well, You're in luck because I have a couple of friends who want to sell their Momo Rims. 1.) Four Crome 15" Momo Quasar comes with tire (i think two are pretty new but the other two , I don't know.) Fits the 85-89/90 MR2 MK1. Looks great. I would buy them but can't afford it. Asking $900. 2.) Two Momo Quasar 15" with tires. Don't know the price. Oh, fits Mk1. 3.) Four 17", yes 17 inches, Momo Arrows. Tires are still good. One rim is kinda badly scratched. The other three are in prefect condition. Fits MKII. Don't worry they fit fine, and looks even better. Have you ever seen a MR2 with 17 inch rims before? Then you know how good it looks. Here comes the bad part asking $1250. If anyone out there is interested email me. Or you can call me at home after 6:30 at 415-467-6874. I live in San Francisco/Daly city area. Qui Hong quihong@sfsu.edu xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: QUI HONG To: Toyota MODS , Subject: Re: Advice please on repair to offside wheel smash. :( Hi, Sorry about the car. I was wondering what color you painted your car to turn all those heads? Because I just painted my 88 MK1 MR2 Pearl Blue (White/dingy yelloy/goldess but in sunlight or headlights sparkling blue). Luckily/Not so luck I had my car all sanded down and ready to paint and I was backing out of a parking space and BAM! My driver side fender smashed into a pole which JUMPED out of nowhere!! Well, Only my fender was damaged luckily/unlucky. Oh, My alignment was off too(pulling to the right). It cost me $50 to fix. The mechanic really gave me a scare when he said that something might be bent. But noting was. Good luck with the repairs. Qui xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:04:29 -0400 To: Richard Doig , From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: Oil choice for turbo. >> > released a new blend at 5W-50, SH/CF rated ($60.95/4litres). My >> >> $15/quart (+/-)! Yow! What's the nz$/us$ conversion rate? Do you use ausie$ >> rates? > >That means Mobil 1 is NZ$15 per litre. This is approximately >US$10.20 per litre. Castrol RS is even more! That's about 3x the US cost. Is that all in shipping, taxes, import fees, etc? Or lack of competition in sales? Steve B. bagdon@rust.net (h) USFMDDKT@ibmmail.com (w) http://www.rust.net/~bagdon Katharine aNd Steve (KNS) ----------- '91 MR2T (daily driver), '85 MR2 (parts car) Mitsubishi DiamondTel 22X, Motorola MicroTAC Lite, Oki 900 Pinnacle Micro RCD-1000 - Feel The Burn Delta Airlines Gold Medallion xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 18:05:38 +0200 To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: sv1bt@compulink.gr (Kostas G. D. Chryssos ) Subject: Back Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Hi there everybody, I am back with a good tan, ready to work another year full and enjoy our chat. I found out I could still get my e-mail on the remote island I was, though under long distance PTT tariffs. So I kept my replies short. Regards, Kostas G.D.Chryssos Ph.D. ELFON Ltd. 30 Ikarias str., Glyfada GR 16675 Athens HELLAS Tel: + 301 9628212 Fax: + 301 9628539 e-mail: sv1bt@compulink.gr xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 14:10 EDT To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Bert Kellerman Subject: weber carbs wanted Anyone selling 55(preferably) or 50 weber dcoe's? Or do you know where I can get them for cheap? NOPI sells the 45's for $240 but they don't have 50 or 55. I will buy used ones if they are in good shape. Also. do you need special tools to properly install a rear end? I hear you need something special to align it right Thanks. bert kellerman 77 celica 20r xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Buhr To: Toyota Supras Mailing List , Subject: T -2 hours Well, in about 2 hours I should have my Lexus AFM & Lucas injectors upgrade. I'm starting to get an itchy feeling in my right foot. :) Incidentally, I've tried both the stock electronics and the Lexus electronics on both the stock AFM housing and the Lexus AFM housing, and as far as I can tell there are no real noticeable differences between the AFM electronics on the two units. Also, while I was blowing off some steam in a bar after work yesterday, someone put a handwritten note on my car offering to buy it from me. It's nice to see that some other folks have good taste too. :) Not like there's a chance that I'd sell it of course. But I take the offer as a compliment. Aaron B. 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Zublin, Bryan (SD-MS)" Subject: RE: weber carbs wanted To: "toyota-mods@cyberauto.com" Does Weber make a 55 or 50 mm DCOE? For the 20R, this size seems way too big. I think the typical size used when using 2 Weber DCOEs is 40 or 45 mm (or 44 mm if you are using Mikuni's). Bryan Zublin bzublin@gi.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Bwiencek@kcnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 17:00:08 -0600 Subject: Rebuilding Trans - Where to get parts To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Hello, It's about time to rebuild the trans in my Pickup - it's a G52 as far as I can tell, with the removeable belhousing. Anyways, how hard is it to rebuild this trans? Are there any special tools that I might need? Can I do it without a bearing press? (I lost access to one when I changed jobs.) Or if it's only a couple of bearings, I'll just take it to the machine shop to be pressed. Does anyone know where to buy bearings & synchro's cheaper than the local Toyota dealer? Thanks, Brian xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: bwiencek@kcnet.com Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 20:37:05 -0600 Subject: RE: weber carbs wanted To: "toyota-mods@cyberauto.com" I agree, I use a 40mm weber (40dgav) downdraft, and I think it's fine for street use. If you're looking for all-out high-rpm race engine, then I guess you might need the breathing of 50 or 55's, but only at 9K rpm's + (calculate it out...) - Brain On Fri, 02 Aug 1996, "Zublin, Bryan (SD-MS)" wrote: > >Does Weber make a 55 or 50 mm DCOE? For the 20R, this size seems way too >big. I think the typical size used when using 2 Weber DCOEs is 40 or 45 mm >(or 44 mm if you are using Mikuni's). > >Bryan Zublin >bzublin@gi.com > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Davis To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: back again... I am very happy to say that I got my link back... Heven forbid if anything comes between me and the E world... Mine... 1980 Corolla SR-5 13T-U engine T-50 tranny Weber 32/36 carbie brand spankin new interior (courtesy of the Davis Hand-sewing firm... Word to the wise, pay somebody else to do your interior. It is WORTH the pain in the pocket to alleviate the pain in the hands...) THe 13T is a very interesting engine.. If anyone knows any more than I know about it (95 hp, 109 ft-lb torque, 1770 cc displacement) then please let me know! Til then, glad to be back... Scott ssdavis1@students.uiuc.edu http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~ssdavis1/index.html /| / | / | / | /____| _______|___ _________\_________/___________ __ __ ____ ___ __ __ _ _____ __ _ ___ _ ____ ____ __ __ __ _ ____ ____ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Richard Parry To: Toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:45:33 +1200 Subject: Well then. Yesterday was a brisk but sunny day as I met up with Phil Bradshaw to road test his Lotus 7. My first impression was: "Hey wow, what a stylie looking pink car." After chatting about power to weight, and Phil asking me if I had some warm clothes, we hopped in. My second impression was: "Where in hell are the shoe horns to get into this pup?" The car started up, and had a neat noise - the exhaust gave the car an almost grumbling buzz - one of those hard sounds to describe unless you've been there :) Cruising through the city, we chatted about kitsets, and people who owned them, and why they were so much faster than anything else if you knew what you were doing. Then we hit the open road. My next impression was: "Hey, this aint too bad for a motorbike. It's pretty bloody skippy for a car." Cornering was definitely a different feel, what with sitting right over the dif and drive wheels. Acceleration was something else - power to weight was impressive, with the car stacking in at about 600 kilograms soaking wet, and the new 20 valve 160+ bhp engine. After racing a very surprised Nissan 200SX Turbo owner, we stopped playing around and hit "The Hill." For those unfamiliar with The Hill, let's jut say that it's steep, winding, and lots of fun in a car that sticks to the road like dirt. Lots of fun sounds from the car - screeching, grumbling, roaring, the odd clank or two. Wind in the hair. Sun in the eyes. I'd stopped noticing the cold. And then down the other side. Gee lord, please let this car have good stopping power. I was in luck. Four wheel discs and sod all weight meant quick stops. Phil did me the courtesy of a quick spin behind the wheel. More initial impressions: "Where's the shoe horn?" "Gee, it's quite quick, isn't it?" "Oh, those things on the speedo are MILES, not kilometers, per hour. Ease off the peadal, huh?" "Wow, it sure is windy without those doors." Back into town to meet my partner, and pick up my car, and say goodbye to Phil. After getting back in my Celica, I noticed a couple of things: Damn, my steering wheel is big. Ho boy, there's a big travel difference in my gear changes. This car aint as quick as I thought it was. After sleeping on it... There would be no way in the world the Sleeka was ever going to beat the little Lotus in a straight line. Cornering was very similar, and I don't really know enough about the way the Lotus was built to comment on that. But all in all, I'd say that if I'm ever in the position to build me a car as a fun project, I know what I'll be building :) Hey y'all, that's it from me. Enjoy your cars, and happy Sunday :) Cheers Richard -- Richard Parry. Tonic for the thinking man. richard@acheron.actrix.gen.nz xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:39:07 GMT To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Kevin Annfield Subject: 18RG What an engine!!! Well after a week with me 18RG in I have come to the conclusion that it is f$%king great. It will pull from any gear at any revs to pass people. I think that it is even faster than my friends Pulsar ET Turbo. Won't be as good around the corners but I think my driving will make up for that. I eventually decided to just take the easy way out and put on twin 40mm Solex carbs. Now I just have to get the carbs in tune and she should fly. It's great pulling up beside yuppie racers in there hyundai excels, toyota paseos in this old grey (paint really crappy and all) celica and totally blowing them away. Well I feel my right foot geting itchy, MUST DRIVE. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 3 Aug 96 20:39 EDT To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Bert Kellerman Subject: re:Weber carbs wanted I realize the request for 50mm webers is not familiar, but neither is pulling 400 hps out of a supercharged 8 valve. The bad thing is My car needs to go on a diet. It comes stock at 3335 lbs(hatch,ac,manual 5sp) after a sh*t load of gutting, I think I MAY be down to 2800lbs, that doesn't include me either.That is still way too heavy!! Anyone know where I can locate a one piece fiberglass front end? MAS racing products is the major producer of them, but they didn't think anyone in their right mind would want one for a 77 celica. Oh well. ;) bert kellerman 77 celica 85 celica R.I.P 82 celica R.I.P xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Richard Parry To: "G. D. Aucott" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:25:48 +1200 Subject: Re: 1986 MR2 GT? Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Hey there; On 26 Jul 96, G. D. Aucott wrote about 1986 MR2 GT?: > I just took my clutch parts to the local clutch fix-it shop for > resurfacing the flywheel, etc., and he asked me if it was a > "GT." I confidently said "No such thing" and he said his book > said there was, and it had a 4AGELC engine code. > I've never heard of an MR2 GT... was there one? I'd like to clarify > it today before I pick up the parts so I can be more informed. > Please e-mail me directly if you have comments. Thanks! Okay, yes there was an MR2 GT. Typically speaking, it was a pretty beasty little n/a engine. I don't know what years they were made, but a guy down here has one, and he's trying to sell it. His is an '84. He recons the performance is close to that of the SC version, of course without the extra torque and accerlation, but much better than the standard 4AGE (?) engine. You'd know if you had one, because it'd have a big "GT" sign on it - it's the Grand Tourismo version of the car, and typically costs more to buy from new, and has some snappy performance parts as factory standard. I don't know about the US, but here in NZ (and Aussie too, I think) the GT versions of cars get good exposure - they're not a turbo or super boost assisted vehicle, so don't have the inherant dangers, but are a more powerful engine on the whole than the "standard" engine (I believe the MR2 standard n/a is called a "Bathurst" engine, as opposed to "Grand Tourismo") Does this help? -- Richard Parry. Tonic for the thinking man. richard@acheron.actrix.gen.nz xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Richard Parry To: Philip.Bradshaw.1@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (Phil Bradshaw) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:35:43 +1200 Subject: Re: Oil/Sump inspection Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Hey Phil; On 29 Jul 96, Phil Bradshaw wrote about Oil/Sump inspection: > Things that go bump in the night - In my case it was an invisible > object in a friend's driveway that not only dented the sump but > cracked it too... Of course it missed the bash plate. The sump is > being welded and the bash plate extended as I write this. There's only one thing for it. Kill your friend for not having appropriate ground clearance on their driveway :) > Good news is that my trusty 20 valve that has done 40,000 km in my > car, exclusively on Mobil 1, is absolutely clean and sludge free > inside. I change every 5000k and a new filter every 10,000. I go > thru a litre of oil every 5000k - how does this compare with other > engines? I get almost no loss of oil whatsoever on my 3SGE - since having fixed my gasket seal (replaced with another one - old one was slightly cracked). However, due to the way I've now started driving, my oil gets dirty fairly quickly - I change about the same frequency (which reminds me, I must do it about now). Does this help? Our main company vehicle at work is a 1991 Corona SF 1.8 automatic, and is driven gently (you have to, the bloody automatic won't let you red the engine - not that I've tried, of course :). That pup has lost no oil as far as I can tell, and runs clean most of the time. Either it's possessed by the Angel of Good Oil, or this is a nice thing with well maintained jap engines. Anyone else got any comments? Cheers Richard -- Richard Parry. Tonic for the thinking man. richard@acheron.actrix.gen.nz xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rees To: Mods Toyota Subject: Weight of a '81 Celica? Does anyone know the weight of an '81 Celica? I'm guessing about 3200-3300 lbs... Ouch! Too bad Toyota's are built like tanks! (A good and a bad thing....) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Sonant@ix.netcom.com Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 00:47:06 -0700 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Cc: Sonant@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: me/mine/mods Name : Stephen Wan Location : Fairfield, CA Model : 84 Camry Engine : 2SE Mods : 9"K@N, 2 1/4"Flowmaster, Advanced timing, Chrysler 15' wheels, Continental ch90's, "shortened" front springs, F40/race style spoiler, Volvo front spoiler, Fuba antenna, Blazer fog/turn signals, Niken pedals email : Sonant@ix.netcom.com Picture : http://user.aol.com/camryman2/gallery/cam00009.html xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 08:45:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Davis To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: 18RG What an engine!!! And to think that I had a golden oportunity to purchasee one for a song (less than 70 bucks) and didn't know what it was.... DAMN DAMN DAMN. Oh well, the truck now belongs to my sister. (72.5 hilux) Question for those of you who know about 4A's... I have a good chance to pick up a tired block/head for nothing (80 bucks at a local wrecking yard) and the only drawback right now is I have no space to put it; What kind of performance figures can I expect out of the 4A and with what mods? I am kinda thinking about making this one a killer engine, building it up pretty good and then swapping it for my current setup when time allows. And can anyone reccommend a good place to pick up a set of springs for a corolla? Thanks, Scott ssdavis1@students.uiuc.edu http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~ssdavis1/index.html /| / | / | / | /____| _______|___ _________\_________/___________ __ __ ____ ___ __ __ _ _____ __ _ ___ _ ____ ____ __ __ __ _ ____ ____ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:02:07 -0400 (EDT) To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Bruce Crawford Subject: Re: me/mine/mods Since I was off the list for a while, here's the required: Name : Bruce Crawford Location : Staten Island, NY Model : 1989 MR2 n/a Engine : 4AGE Mods : conical K&N, bored TB, 250cc/min blueprinted injectors, cams, TRD header (Jethot coated), homebrewed exhaust, Jacobs ignition, Nology wires, Beru plugs, Illuminas, Eibachs, ST swaybars, 15x7 whls w/205/50 A509, Porterfield R4S, bla, bla. You get the idea email : crawford@planet.earthcom.net Picture : Still too lazy to scan photos and build homepage. Later, Bruce and Martha Crawford...........crawford@planet.earthcom.net '79 RX7 GS (ITA) '83 RX7 GSL (w/EFI 13B) '89 MR2 (Modded) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 12:04 EDT To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Bert Kellerman Subject: Re: Rebuilding Trans - Where to get parts >At 05:00 PM 8/2/96 -0600, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >> It's about time to rebuild the trans in my Pickup - it's a G52 as far as >>I can tell, with the removeable belhousing. Anyways, how hard is it to rebuild >>this trans? Are there any special tools that I might need? Can I do it without >>a bearing press? (I lost access to one when I changed jobs.) Or if it's only a >>couple of bearings, I'll just take it to the machine shop to be pressed. >> >> Does anyone know where to buy bearings & synchro's cheaper than the >>local Toyota dealer? >> >>Thanks, >> Brian >> You need internal and external snap ring pliers, some pin punches, a bearing puller slide hammer, uhhh.. and maybe a hydraulic press The reason I know is because I was inquiring about doing it too... I heard it's a pain in the ass, and worth the time and money to buy a rebuilt one, but You never know,..I guess it could be fun. bert xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 96 13:02 EDT To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Bert Kellerman Subject: me/mine/mods I sent my mods earlier but I don't think I did it right so here goes again. name:bert kellerman location: Louisville,ky car:77 celica hatchback engine:20r 2189cc 8valve mods:my car is in the making but here's a list so far HEAD: erson 276(too small) cam,erson springs, shims ,and keepers, bronz valve guides, copper head gasket( I need to get new rocker arms but have put it off so far because of price. If anyone has a story about a friend using an old rocker arm on his hi perf. engine and it causing havoc, i need to hear it and get some sense into me.) head milled true, i am currently looking for a shop to (and valve job) port and polish and polish combustion chambers, new head bolts BLOCK: 9:1 hardened top paeco pistons, deves piston rings, new steel forged crankshaft, ACL duraglide bearings, i have 3 original rods and 1 new one(I am considering new ones), new oil pan, (investigating baffles and windage trays, would love advice) new OEM oil pump, i heard that stock capacity usually does the trick, 6 lb. aluminum flywheel with paeco clutch cover and disc new flywheel, rod bolt(I am investigating the anti heat/friction coatings for pistons and bearings, advice wanted!) OTHER STUFF: oil cooler, flex fan, underdrive crank pulley,mallory ign. coil, ( I need the box and distributor), uhhhh.. I am looking around for a supercharger and my best bet so far is ATI's universal p600 for 1800 bucks. If any body knows of a used one or cheaper one for sale, Please tell me!!! I also need the weber carbs i mentioned earlier. SUSPENSION/BRAKES: kyb shocks and struts, suspension techniques springs, Addco sway bars with polyurethane bushings and adjustable end links New upper an lower spring insulators in the back A disc brake conversion is too expensive so I bought EVERY single piece new for my rear brakes , I mean every piece! I am in search of cross drilled rotors for the front. I use Prostop brakes, but I heat treated them in my toaster oven( If you want info, ask) Oh yeah I have new u joints too. Ineed to locate rear end gears for that car !!! Advice wanted! INTERIOR: COMPLETEY gutted need to lose weight (any advice) WEll there it is although i know I forgot some stuff. Anyone that has knowledge on the topics I am looking , pleas help me! Thanks a lot ;) Bert 77 celica xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:58:43 -0400 To: Bert Kellerman , From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: Rebuilding Trans - Where to get parts >>At 05:00 PM 8/2/96 -0600, you wrote: >>>Hello, >>> >>> It's about time to rebuild the trans in my Pickup - it's a G52 as >>>far as >>>I can tell, with the removeable belhousing. Anyways, how hard is it to >rebuild >>>this trans? Are there any special tools that I might need? Can I do it >without >>>a bearing press? (I lost access to one when I changed jobs.) Or if it's >only a >>>couple of bearings, I'll just take it to the machine shop to be pressed. >>> >>> Does anyone know where to buy bearings & synchro's cheaper than the >>>local Toyota dealer? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> Brian >>> > You need internal and external snap ring pliers, some pin punches, a >bearing puller > slide hammer, uhhh.. and maybe a hydraulic press > The reason I know is because I was inquiring about doing it too... > I heard it's a pain in the ass, and worth the time and money to buy a >rebuilt one, but You never know,..I guess it could be fun. > > bert My first tranny I ever bought for my '85 MR2 was about $325 - complete. Take out the old and put in the new. If the tools/etc are more then the tranny, even used ones are reasonably priced. Steve B. bagdon@rust.net (h) USFMDDKT@ibmmail.com (w) http://www.rust.net/~bagdon Katharine aNd Steve (KNS) ----------- '91 MR2T (daily driver), '85 MR2 (parts car) Mitsubishi DiamondTel 22X, Motorola MicroTAC Lite, Oki 900 Pinnacle Micro RCD-1000 - Feel The Burn Delta Airlines Gold Medallion xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:42:16 +1200 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Re: weber carbs wanted Guys here in NZ run 4AGEs on 45 DCOEs, no bigger - even when pumping out 230 horse... My 20 valve throttle bodies (it has 4) have 42mm throats and make 165 horse. I believe they use only 38 mm chokes on the 45 DCOEs, but dunno why they don't use 40DCOEs. A standard 4AGE at 88kW will run happily on 45DCOEs. Phil Bradshaw Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:48:05 +1200 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, kitracers@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Tyres vs fuel economy Peoples, Recently I went from 185/70 x 13 Dunlop Daytonas (really hard - got 75,000 km out of 5 tyres) at 28 psi to Bridgestone RE 710 195/60 x 14 at 22 psi and a lot grippier. My fuel economy has dropped by about 10%. Best I can figure the rolling diameter is identical (to within 0.5mm), (and besides, the odometer would still read the same, the car would just physically travel a different distance). Anyway, anyone had similar experiences when changing to a much grippier tyre? I suspect I drive it harder as it can corner much faster - I will probably put it on the track next month and see how my lap times have changed. Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve (Lotus 7 Replica) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:16:24 -0400 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: '85 Camry a/c - R-134a conversion steps. My bud from South Florida did the coordination for his mother's '85 Camry a/c repair, and now they is seriously displeased. The compressor bearings on the compressor went south, which then tore up the clutch (bad bearings made the clutch work too hard). He was able to get a new Toyota compressor/clutch *cheap*, so he had a shop do the labor. He (mistakenly) agreed when they suggested he convert from R-12 to R-134a. The shop basically just removed the old compressor, put in the new one, vacuumed the system, dumped in the necessary oil, filled it with R-134a, and tested for leaks. The problem is, they didn't do anything else. They didn't put in a different condensor or evaporator, didn't replace the expansion valve, and didn't replace any o-rings. So now his mother says it blows nowhere near as cold as it did previously. Not knowing a *lot* about industrial chemistry and refrigerants, I'm not quite sure exactly what to suggest. It would appear that the drop in 'cooling effect' is sufficient to justify that they do *some* sort of warranty work - replace more parts, but not charge him for the vacuum and recharge, since they didn't do a comlete job the first time. Does anyone know enough about the a/c system on a mid-80's Camry, to suggest something to make the system blow colder. I have the suspicion that the system needs a much more efficient condensor (since R-134a doesn't have the same level of efficiency of R-12?), and most probably a different expansion valve (different 'fogging' characteristics?). Or should he apply enough pressure, and get them to replace the R-134a with R-12, and make them do it for free (since it doesn't cool anywhere near as well as the old system did)? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Is there any sort of FAQ for this? Steve B. bagdon@rust.net (h) USFMDDKT@ibmmail.com (w) http://www.rust.net/~bagdon Katharine aNd Steve (KNS) ----------- '91 MR2T (daily driver), '85 MR2 (parts car) Mitsubishi DiamondTel 22X, Motorola MicroTAC Lite, Oki 900 Pinnacle Micro RCD-1000 - Feel The Burn Delta Airlines Gold Medallion xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:58:11 -0400 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Snow tires and tire mouting info for '91T MR2? My rear tires are about sending me warning signs that they are getting ready for replacing, and I am looking at snow tires for this coming season, so I figured I'd hit the groups for some info. a) I've got RE-71's up front, and am working through my first pair of A509s on the rear. The RE-71's don't look like they change much over the last 10k miles, but the A509's wore *rather* fast. Any recomendations for the rears? I hear RE-71s are out of production, I've been happy with the A-509's, and I'm trying to decide if I should go the 'extra mile' and bite the cost for the AVSi's. Any comments welcome. b) It's early August, so I guess it's time to start thinking about snow tires. I've got a set of '92 oem MR2 steel rims (with steel lugs and wheel covers, 14x6f, 14x7r) sitting in my garage just waiting for the right set of snow tires to come along. I've heard a lot about Blizzaks(sp?, Goodyear?), but beyond that haven't looked that hard, until now. Anyone out there with a '91T-'92T, running stock sized (195/60-14f, 205/60-14r) snow tires? Back when I put in a little bit of effort, the problem seemed to be the off-sizes (mis-matched f/r) - I could get one good tire in one size, and one good tire in the other, but no one had both sizes in one tire (*in stock*, this was local, not mail order). c) And for those local to Metro Detroit (or even Ann Arbor), can anyone recommend a *good* tire store that will mount mail-order tires (without giving me a hassle), has an aluminum-rim mounting machine and does a good job balancing? I expect more input from (a) and (b) then from (c), but *any* info would be greatly appreciated. And a few thoughts - I didn't believe the milage stories u ntil I've been through my first set of rear tires (A509's all around lasted 40k on my Mk 1!). And I'm going to *wump* the next person who tells me I *don't* need snow tires on my MR2 (most of those saying that use all-weather or multi-purpose tires year-round)! I had A509's with *nice* tread depth last season, and it was like driving on ice. TIA. Steve B. bagdon@rust.net (h) USFMDDKT@ibmmail.com (w) http://www.rust.net/~bagdon Katharine aNd Steve (KNS) ----------- '91 MR2T (daily driver), '85 MR2 (parts car) Mitsubishi DiamondTel 22X, Motorola MicroTAC Lite, Oki 900 Pinnacle Micro RCD-1000 - Feel The Burn Delta Airlines Gold Medallion xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: QUI HONG To: Bruce Crawford Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: me/mine/mods What is your 1/4 mile time? Qui On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Bruce Crawford wrote: > Since I was off the list for a while, here's the required: > > Name : Bruce Crawford > Location : Staten Island, NY > Model : 1989 MR2 n/a > Engine : 4AGE > Mods : conical K&N, bored TB, 250cc/min blueprinted injectors, cams, TRD > header (Jethot coated), homebrewed exhaust, Jacobs ignition, Nology wires, > Beru plugs, Illuminas, Eibachs, ST swaybars, 15x7 whls w/205/50 A509, > Porterfield R4S, bla, bla. You get the idea > > email : crawford@planet.earthcom.net > Picture : Still too lazy to scan photos and build homepage. > > Later, > > Bruce and Martha Crawford...........crawford@planet.earthcom.net > '79 RX7 GS (ITA) '83 RX7 GSL (w/EFI 13B) '89 MR2 (Modded) > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:10:57 -0500 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, kitracers@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: patisi@wt.net (patrick ikhifa) Subject: Why No Information about the 4A-GE motors in the UK Guys, I recently purchased a copy of Fast Car magazine from a local newstand here. I was rather surprised to find nothing of mention about any competitive Corollas or MR2s in the UK. From cover to cover, all mention was basically on the diefied Ford Escorts. It appears that they've dicontinued the Cosworths and now have the RS2000. Honorable mentions were made of the VW family of cars(Gulf, Corrados) and the venerable Renault R5s. Not much on Accuras, Hondas, nor Mitsus either, left me baffled!. I imagine these cars were exported to the UK, or is it just the bias of the guys at Fast Car? Will appreciate any response and enlightenment. Patrick '86 GT-S Corolla. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: kca@interserv.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:18:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Snow tires and tire mouting info for '91T MR2? To: bagdon@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (S and K Bagdon), On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) wrote: > > And I'm going to *wump* the next person who >tells me I *don't* need snow tires on my MR2 (most of those saying that use >all-weather or multi-purpose tires year-round)! I had A509's with *nice* >tread depth last season, and it was like driving on ice. The AVSi is nothing short of scary with a bit of snow or ice on the road. Kip Anderson _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| kca@interserv.com _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| http://members.aol.com/kipanderso _| _| _| _| "So anyway, two penguins walk into a bar . . . " - Anonymous xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 14:26:31 +1200 To: bagdon@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (S and K Bagdon), From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: re: tires for '91T MR2? >a) I've got RE-71's up front, and am working through my first pair of A509s >on the rear. The RE-71's don't look like they change much over the last 10k >miles, but the A509's wore *rather* fast. Any recomendations for the rears? >I hear RE-71s are out of production, I've been happy with the A-509's, and >I'm trying to decide if I should go the 'extra mile' and bite the cost for >the AVSi's. Any comments welcome. I recently put Bridgestone RE710 tyres on my car - these are the RE71 replacement. They are supposed to be superior to the RE71 in every respect - I have found them superb in the wet, however the old 70 profiles I ran were garbage. I changed rims and now have 195/60 x 14. Give them a go, they come in H and V speed ratings for most sizes, mine are H. Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve Lotus 7 replica xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 15:52:11 +1200 To: patisi@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (patrick ikhifa), From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Re: Why No Information about the 4A-GE motors in the UK Stand by for some one eyed views! You could argue the same about the Australian magazines (I can say that because NZ can't support any!) which deal heavily with rotaries and early 80s motors - they have a market to cater to if they want to stay in business. The fact that the market has a closed mind is unfortunate but is not necessarily something the magazine can do much about. Conversely, maybe we should contact the magazines and see if they want to feature our toys - if no one tells them what is out there, how are they supposed to find out - ESP? I put down the lack of info in the UK to a strong 'Jap is Crap' mentality and related biasing - seriously, who in their right mind would otherwise bother messing around with a pushrod escort motor etc? Caterham's release of the 1.8 Rover K-series engined 7 is eagerly awaited and there is talk of a VVT model - whoopee. My 1600 20 valve has been in production for 5 years and still makes more grunt. Small minds - their loss - should we be surprised with the football hooligans and Northern Ireland troubles that they have some funny attitudes!? Don't forget that Japanese cars do not sell that well in Europe - my view is that the French get a lot of say in the EEC and push for tariffs that make imports unattractive (due to their poor domestic manufacturing performance - they are too busy crying about how the Japanese are dumping cars and therefore applying tarriffs as opposed to sorting out their own design, quality, unions and productivity. The rest of Europe isn't much better either, so they all join in). There is a big emphasis on internal EEC marketing of products, hence they try to exclude a lot of offshore product. We Kiwis are long suffering over this crap with our Meat/Dairy produce - we can ship it to Europe and still undercut the locals, so they whack prohibitive (protectionist) tariffs on it - mainly due to French. The UK roads are full of Fords and Vauxhalls, with Peugots, Renaults, Fiats etc not far behind - just check top seller lists. I also don't think the 4AGE etc is sold new anymore - I thing they only sell the 4AFE and 20 valve (and that is only in Japan), so there isn't a hot 1600 anymore. Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ BTW - like a lot of Kiwis I don't have a lot of time for the French due to: a. Rainbow Warrior bombing b. Nuclear testing in South Pacific c. Protectionist trade policies. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Buhr To: Toyota Supras Mailing List , Subject: ['90 Supra/7MGTE] Injectors & AFM results (VERY long! New record?) Well, I got my Lexus AFM & 550 cc injectors installed Friday afternoon and have been really putting them to the test over the weekend. They're basically working as advertised, but my car seems slower than it should be, and now I've got to figure out why. Anyway, here's the story: What the process involved (so far) was merely to replace the stock AFM with the Lexus one, pull out the old injectors and replace them with the Lucsas 550 cc ones, and cut the injector harness and splice in the new connectors. Really fairly simple operation. I have an idle richness (I believe) screw that we're supposed to put on, but neither my mechanic nor myself could figure out where to put it. Also, I have a modified fuel pressure regulator coming, which I think is supposed to raise fuel pressure from 43 to 50 PSI, if I remember correctly, though I don't know the details (Reg?). First thing I noticed is that the idle is really rough. That's ok, though, because the new screw is supposed to fix the bad idle. Since we couldn't figure out where to put the screw I've just put up with the poor idle for the past few days. I've been turning the AC on, which raises the idle to 900 rpm where it smoothes out quite a bit. Anyway, after I drove around for a little while I adjusted the EVC up from .53 bar (7.8 PSI) .01 bar at a time and decided to stop at 1.00 bar (14.7 PSI). The car felt quite a bit faster, once the boost came on. I'd estimate a 25% power gain. It was pretty intoxicating, but I only played with it a bit, being very careful to listen for knocking/detonation. The idle was so poor I always got worried whenever I came to a light that I'd blown something, but so far everything seems fine. Saturday morning I put in Jeff M.'s Supra VF Meter. It fits fine in the ashtray hole with the EVC, nearly perfect in fact. It's such a tight fit that they both are just wedged in there and don't move at all. I think I'm going to spray paint the VF meter housing black though to match the rest of the dash. Anyway, it's behavior is interesting... 98% of the time it reads fully lean, the last LED! When I let off the throttle, it quickly zips over to fully rich, then when I push down again it goes back over to fully lean. It will creep up to the next light up, between perfect and lean, under middle rpm moderate load, but that's pretty rare. I drive around with it on fully lean almost all the time. Now, if I floor it, it stays on fully lean until about 4 PSI boost pressure at which time it zips over to fully rich and stays there all the way up to 1.0 bar. If I put the car in fifth gear and floor it, it will count up the LEDs one at a time, from lean, half-lean, perfect, flash through half-rich, then stop at fully rich. I almost always spend all my time at fully lean for driving around town, then zip over to fully rich when decelerating or under hard acceleration. It spends almost 0 time at any of the rest of the LEDs. I'm not sure exactly what the VF meter is measuring. As I understand it, it displays what the ECU thinks the air-fuel mixture is like, but as far as I understand it could just as easily be displaying what the ECU wants the mixture to be (not necessarily the same thing). Jeff or Reg, can you enlighten me? I'm also not sure if the Lexus AFM could be skewing the ECU's interpretation of the A/F mixture. The ECU doesn't know anything about the larger injectors, and doesn't know that the AFM is bigger. It just detects that for some reason air flow seems pretty low, and therefore the injectors should get a small pulse width. Anyway, as far as the engine is concerned things even out fine between the larger AFM and the larger injectors, but I wonder if the ECU's picture of things isn't off. That could be why the ECU does flop over to fully rich until 4 PSI, instead of at 0 or so where you'd expect. So, with the VF meter indicating everything's fine with the EVC set for 1.0 bar, and me hearing no knocking/detonation, I decide I've got to get an absolute measurement on how much power I'm putting out. So I make the trip over to Gainesville (75 miles) and go to the drag strip. I'm fairly disappointed with the results. I don't really care about elapsed times, but I expected mph to be in the 105 mph range, maybe even 110. I came far short. My first three runs were 15.7 sec @ 99.5 mph, 15.3 @ 99.4, and 14.99 @ 99.3, all within a 35 minute time period. I rolled right off the street, where I had been running hard, and onto the track, so the engine was very hot. Also, the temperature was about 85 degrees with 100% humidity (it had been raining a couple hours before). My race experience: first time I raced some dude in like a 1980 GM 4-door piece of crap, who got a 18.2 @ 77.2 mph. But the second and third times I raced a previous-generation Mustang Cobra (did they have Cobras then? It had "Cobra" written on the intake manifold). _She_ beat me down the quarter mile both times, which sort of irked me, though I did have better trap speeds. I had big traction problems. The new power really has thrown off my launching techniques, which previously worked ok. Anyway, her two runs were 14.1 @ 97.1 and 14.3 @ 94.7. There were about four other previous generation Mustangs. One was I think a bone-stock GT, which ran terrible, 16.x @ 88.x, one was a bit slower than the Cobra I raced, 15.x @ 95.x, and two were on nitrous, one at 12.x @ 110 and the other at 13.x @ 106. There was a new Camaro SS with huge (315 series) tires on the rear, which looked silly on that car. It had good times (13.9 - 14.0), but poor speed (96.x mph). There was another new model Camaro Z28 with upgraded exhaust that ran low 14s at 97.x mph too. Then there was a Buick GN that was running 13s at 103.x mph. I felt a bit better that I was faster (not quicker) than most of the other street cars, but I'm still short of where I should be. There was one new stock 'vette that ran 13.9 @ 100.1 mph, but that was about 2 hours after I ran, his first run of the day, and the air temperature was about 10 degrees cooler. I'm confident I would have been faster under the same conditions. I did race after that, after the engine cooled down somewhat, but I set the EVC too high (1.05 bar) and banged the fuel cut all the way down the quarter mile. I threw that time slip away since it was terrible, and then they ended time trials and moved on to eliminations. Since I had gained enough data I decided enough abuse on the car and went home. I was pretty depressed that I was at least 5 mph short of the power I thought I should be making. Anyway, I've done a bit more experimenting and observing since then. Based on how the Camaros and the Corvette were running, I estimate I was getting about 310-320 hp. I've also done quite a few third and fourth gear full-throttle runs. Even though I had the EVC set at 1.0 bar, in third gear it would spike to .96 (14.1 PSI) briefly then waver between .88 (12.9 PSI) and .92 (13.5 PSI) and drop to around .80 bar (11.8 PSI) at 6000 RPM, and in fourth gear it would go up to around .92 bar and drop to about .85 bar (12.5 PSI) at 6000 rpm. So, down the quarter mile my boost would jump up to 14 PSI then drop down to 12 the faster I went. I would set the boost higher, but even at 1.0 bar I banged the fuel cut 10+ times driving around today and decided enough was enough. I have it set at .95 bar, and the measured boost levels hover around .05 bar less than the ones I listed above. Anyway, driving around in Gainesville I met that guy I mentioned a year ago, who was running 15 PSI with a FCD and no FCON on the stock turbo and injectors. He's since changed things around a fair bit. He still has the stock turbo & injectors, FCD, and no FCON, but he's dropped boost to 10.5 PSI to be safer, plus put on the Greddy 70? mm exhaust, no cat, 75 mm catless downpipe, Spearco intercooler, K&N drop-in filter, and upgraded springs and shocks. When I dropped my (set, not measured) boost down to .65 bar (9.6 PSI) his car and mine are about dead even up to fourth gear. However, when I set my boost up to .90 bar (13.2 PSI, set, not measured again) I really didn't gain much on him! I just creeped on him in third and fourth gear. I'm not sure why there wasn't more of a difference between boost levels, and between our cars considering I have over him the Super-H turbo, upgraded injectors, and ran slightly higher boost (actual, not set). He has over me the 75 mm catless downpipe, which he is going to give to me and he's going to get another one made. Nice of him. :) He did say that it made a very noticeable difference. I'll report more when I get it on. The guy's name is Anil, and he's not on the list yet but he does have an email address that he only uses occasionally. He did say that he's visited the Supra web page though. :) I'm going to subscribe him to the list and hopefully he will participate. BTW, he changed his deck out with a Pioneer double-din CD & cassette with full LCD display and all kinds of fancy stuff. I was impressed. I didn't hear much of the stereo though, mostly engine noise. :) Also, I hate to be an environmental menace, but I have another anecdote on cats. My mechanic has done a '91 Supra Turbo with HKS sport turbo, HKS injectors, FCON, HKS intercooler, and that guy was having trouble with boost dropping from 14 PSI to 10 PSI at high rpm. My mechanic said the guy decided to gut both his cats and apparently the problem went away. The guy seemed surprised by the magnitude of difference. Ok... that's (finally) about all the data I have to give. Now, I'd like people's thoughts on what I need to do to generate more power. It disturbs me that HKS can get 435 horsepower at 15 PSI, when I'm getting 310 or so at 13 PSI. Those extra 2 PSI would raise me to about 332 hp, if I could get around the fuel cut (*sigh*), but that's still 100 shy of HKS's figures. Here's the HKS stages: Stage 0: stock 230 hp @ 5 PSI Stage 1: Turbo exhaust 251 hp @ 8 PSI Stage 2: Power flow filter 256 hp @ 8.5 PSI Stage 3: EVC 282 hp @ 11 PSI Stage 4: Intercooler 295 hp @ 11.5 PSI Stage 5: FCON 327 hp @ 13.5 PSI Stage 6: VPC 342 hp @ 13.5 PSI Stage 7: Sport turbo, 550 cc injectors 435 hp @ 15 PSI Stage 8: Camshafts 450 hp @ 15 PSI I have the exhaust (75 mm), EVC, Intercooler (Cartech/BEGI), upgraded turbo (stock CT-26 housing with Super-H compressor wheel, clipped exhaust), 550 cc injectors, Lexus AFM (larger = less restriction), 2nd cat gone. I would figure that I'd be able to get maybe 370-380 hp at 15 PSI, giving away 50-60 hp to HKS for the larger HKS turbo & intercooler, so I seem to be maybe 35-40 hp shy of where I should be at current boost levels. Here's the possibilities for why I might be short on power: - Running rich? - Running lean? - I do have a misfire at all RPMs when I rev the engine, but that might be due to either the lack of the modified FPR or the lack of the modified idle screw. Or it could be that spark plugs are gapped wrong? - Turbo isn't flowing as much air as I think it is, just heating it to give boost without mass flow? - Timing is overly retarded? - EVC boost gauge is off, and I'm running less boost than I think I am? - Primary cat is causing so much backpressure engine has to work too hard to push exhaust gases out? - Compression is down from my 1.5 mm vs. 1.2 mm stock head gasket, but would it make that much difference? Maybe my pistons are differently sized, but not as far as I know. - Something wrong with the internals of the engine? (I don't even want to THINK about this one). Blow-by, burned valve, warped head, ugh... - HKS lies about their power levels? I would like to pull the plugs to see if they can tell me if I'm running rich or lean, but I've only been running the new injectors for 2 days, which is the same amount of time I ran the Lexus AFM with the stock injectors, so I suspect results would be hard to interpret this early on. Anyone have suggestions for me? So, what prize do I win for the longest message ever? :) Aaron B. 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo/7MGTE xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:12:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Buhr To: Toyota Supras Mailing List , Subject: Re: ['90 Supra/7MGTE] Injectors & AFM results (VERY long! New record?) BTW, I've pretty much determined that I've got to get an FCON with FCD to eliminate the fuel cut once and for all, but I'm not (really, I'm not... erg, must ... maintain ... control!) going to blow another $1000 now, there's no way I can afford it. Aaron B. 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 21:39:23 -0700 From: GeneK To: supras@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Cc: Toyota Modifications Mailing List Subject: Re: ['90 Supra/7MGTE] Injectors & AFM results (VERY long! New record?) Aaron Buhr wrote: > > BTW, I've pretty much determined that I've got to get an FCON with FCD > to eliminate the fuel cut once and for all, but I'm not (really, I'm > not... erg, must ... maintain ... control!) going to blow another $1000 > now, there's no way I can afford it. > Oh, go on...you know you're gonna do it sooner or later...if you wait the price will just go up...just reach for the phone....pull out that credit card...:-) Gene xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:58:34 +1000 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bilzilla@zeta.org.au (Bill Sherwood) Subject: Re: Why No Information about the 4A-GE motors in the UK Hiya all, (mainly those in the UK, though) > I recently purchased a copy of Fast Car magazine from a local >Fast Car? Will appreciate any response and enlightenment. > I was in the UK in July 1994, and I was lucky enough to come across (probably) the best 4AGe man in the country. His name is Richard Macer, and he lives at 24 Green lane, Hertfordshire. This is from memory, but I'll get the complete details in the next few days. He stocks just about everything you'd need for 4AGE's of all sorts, and has extensive experience in chassis development with AE-86's, 82's, and 92's. The B Man. ~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~ Dum volvo, video disco Em tasal, wantok. "It must be true 'cause I saw it on TV." ** Another pothole in the Information Superhighway ** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 5 Aug 1996 00:29:28 -0700 From: "Erik Berg" Subject: Re: ['90 Supra/7MGTE] To: "Toyota Modifications Mailing Li" Reply to: RE>>['90 Supra/7MGTE] >> BTW, I've pretty much determined that I've got to get an FCON with FCD >> to eliminate the fuel cut once and for all, but I'm not (really, I'm >> not... erg, must ... maintain ... control!) going to blow another $1000 >> now, there's no way I can afford it. >Oh, go on...you know you're gonna do it sooner or later...if you wait >the price will just go up...just reach for the phone....pull out that >credit card...:-) >Gene Gene, have a heart! Aaron's trying to do the right thing... He deserves moral support! :-) :-) Anyone remember the Jaguar Support Group, that Peter Egan wrote about in Side Glances? Any time one of their group was tempted to buy an E type Jag he would call up one of the other members, whose task it would be to talk him out of it... sort of like a suicide prevention hot line... erik.berg@trw.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 00:55:38 -0700 From: jgrospe@gptweb.globalpac.com (jgrospe) To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: MR2-Turbo Stock 0-60 times Anyone who has tried measuring the 0-60 performance of an MR2 Turbo, I'd like to get your results. Magazines report times anywhere between 5.9secs to 6.8 secs. My tests on my 92T, no matter what I do, only show a consistent 7.5secs at 500ft above sea level. Other cars that I have owned- I can bring to what magazines claim their 0-60 performance. My dealer said that my car is mechanically perfect. I tend to believe that especially since I'm getting quite a good power (seat of the pants) and mileage (ave of 28-29 mpg of combined hwy/city driving). The dealer added that the 0-60 times posted in auto magazines, because they were performed by professional drivers in controlled conditions, should have quite different result. I disagree. I think that a 1 second difference between my driving style and theirs is too much of an allowance when comparing merely 0-60 performance. The result of this survey will be used to determine the car's baseline performance before I start beefing up the engine. I don't know if I trust the numbers in the magazines or my stopwatch. Thanks again. In the spirit of Toyota, Joel Grospe 92 MR2 Turbo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:58:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rees To: Phil Bradshaw Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy I suspect that your decrease in fuel economy is caused by the decrease in tire pressure you are running. Try running closer to the max pressure indicated on the sidewall of the tire (Try 30-35 psi or so) I'm also willing to bet that your grip levels would also go up with with the increased pressure, although at the expense of of ride quality. You really shouldn't notice that much (only a few percent) difference in fuel mileage with the different tires. (I didn't when changing from 185/70 x 14s to 205/60 x14s) Dave On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Phil Bradshaw wrote: > Peoples, > > Recently I went from 185/70 x 13 Dunlop Daytonas (really hard - got 75,000 > km out of 5 tyres) at 28 psi to Bridgestone RE 710 195/60 x 14 at 22 psi and > a lot grippier. My fuel economy has dropped by about 10%. Best I can figure > the rolling diameter is identical (to within 0.5mm), (and besides, the > odometer would still read the same, the car would just physically travel a > different distance). > > Anyway, anyone had similar experiences when changing to a much grippier > tyre? I suspect I drive it harder as it can corner much faster - I will > probably put it on the track next month and see how my lap times have changed. > > Phil Bradshaw > Palmerston North NZ > Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve (Lotus 7 Replica) > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rees To: Matti Kalalahti Cc: Mods Toyota Subject: Re: Weight of a '81 Celica? Ok, so the older Celicas weighed severeral hundred pounds more than the '79-'81 Celicas? Wow, that's a pretty huge difference! On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Matti Kalalahti wrote: > > Does anyone know the weight of an '81 Celica? I'm guessing about > > 3200-3300 lbs... Ouch! Too bad Toyota's are built like tanks! (A good > > and a bad thing....) > > 1980 one was 2498lbs, I'd be surprised if '81 differed much. > Blame the R-series block... A 1980 Carina with 2T weighs 2337lbs. > And guess which one is heavier, a '83 Celica with 18R-GEU or 3T-GTEU? > The 18R-G one, by 11lbs... > > -- > Matti Kalalahti | Toyota Carina Coupe GT-T TwinCam Turbo '82 > k124476@ee.tut.fi | RWD * IRS * LSD * 3T-GTEU * 232hp and moving on up... > A Huge Evergrowing WWW Home Page * http://proffa.cc.tut.fi/~k124476/ > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:38:18 -0500 (CDT) To: bagdon@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (S and K Bagdon), From: fjo@escape.ca (Fred Oberbuchner) Subject: Re: Snow tires and tire mouting info for '91T MR2? >Steve B: I heard that Yokohama has a new winter tire out that will beat the snot out of blizzaks et al. Apparently, these new tires will hold their "snow biting" ability throughout the life of the tire unlike others on the market that "poop out" (technical term) after x% of treadwear. These yoks have some sort of nylon fibres purpendicular to the tread surface to accomplish this. Unfortunately, I don't know anything else about them (like sizes/etc). Regards, Fred Oberbuchner fjo@escape.ca xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: kca@interserv.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:31:26 -0700 Subject: Re: MR2-Turbo Stock 0-60 times To: jgrospe@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (jgrospe), On Mon, 05 Aug 1996, jgrospe@GPTWEB.GLOBALPAC.COM (jgrospe) wrote: >Anyone who has tried measuring the 0-60 performance of an MR2 Turbo, I'd >like to get your results. Magazines report times anywhere between >5.9secs to 6.8 secs. My tests on my 92T, no matter what I do, only show >a consistent 7.5secs at 500ft above sea level. - snip - >The >dealer added that the 0-60 times posted in auto magazines, because they >were performed by professional drivers in controlled conditions, should >have quite different result. I disagree. I think that a 1 second >difference between my driving style and theirs is too much of an >allowance when comparing merely 0-60 performance. I haven't done any hard testing on my car, but I'll offer this: The acceleration runs that magazines put cars through can be downright abusive if not risky to the clutch and tranny. The quickest acceleration times in the MR2 Turbo require dropping the clutch fairly hard from above 4500 rpms in first. From there it's a no-lift scenario. I.e. If they can't find it easily, they'll grind it into the next gear - without lifting off the gas. This is the stuff that humiliated Mustang owners are made of. A healthy chirp into third during a drag from a mid-engine car is nothing to balk at. I think you're just guilty of wanting to make your car last. Kip Anderson _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| kca@interserv.com _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| http://members.aol.com/kipanderso _| _| _| _| 91 MR2 Turbo "That's one bad-ass car!" - Two girls in downtown Nashville xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 11:08:44 -0500 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: greencg@gate.net Subject: TRD contact.. Hey, How do I get ahold of Toyota Racing Development, and is this a Factory Effort? thanks Chris Green Greencg@gate.net 87 Mister 2 n/a Black "Those who are willing to sacrifice Freedom in the name of Security deserve neither" Benjamin Franklin. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 08:57:51 PST From: "Harry Wang" To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: I finally got it! Well after my long and hard search i finally found a MKIITurbo. It's a 92 with only 36,000 miles on it and i got it for a really good price. This was the previous owners weekend car so he only drove it on the weekends. The car is almost perfect and i can't believe i found it. Can't wait to start on those mods! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 09:07:31 PST From: "Harry Wang" To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: turbo timer Now that i got my MKIIT i'm looking at some Turbo Timers. I've mostly seen people use the Greddy and HKS. Does anyone have any bad experiences with either or both? Or are they both good units? Thanks for any reply. hwang@nchip.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: bconnelly@vnet.ibm.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 13:19:03 EST To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: 1986 MR2 GT? To Dave and others, The New Zealanders are correct in there is an MR2 GT in Australia. This is a MK II and dates from June 1994. There was no GT model of the MK I. They are incorrect in that it DOES NOT have any more power than the "Bathurst" and both run the lastest 3SG's. The difference is that the car is in leather has an Airbag, better seats and stereo, ABS and LSD. Nobady want's to buy them, they cost more than a BMW and have very bad resale. The "Bathurst" is popular as its light and without the Turbo qualifies as an under 2 litre car. It is the fastest standard 2 litre in the country and probably in the world. It has had very good results in endurance races, power is 129KW.(96 RON) Bruce xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 07:57:26 +1200 To: David Rees , From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy Dave, Thanks for your reply. Trouble is the car is so light (600 kg) that at anywhere near 30 psi it 'jumps' over the road... The guys who race them here swear on 22 psi, so I guess I will have to live with the economy - which is still not bad! I am a little concerned about long term effects of running the tyres 'underinflated' however everyone I haver talked to reckons that the low weight will make it ok. >I suspect that your decrease in fuel economy is caused by the decrease in >tire pressure you are running. Try running closer to the max pressure >indicated on the sidewall of the tire (Try 30-35 psi or so) I'm also >willing to bet that your grip levels would also go up with with the >increased pressure, although at the expense of of ride quality. You >really shouldn't notice that much (only a few percent) difference in fuel >mileage with the different tires. (I didn't when changing from 185/70 x >14s to 205/60 x14s) > >Dave Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve (Lotus 7 Replica) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 11:58:32 PST From: "Harry Wang" To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: synthetic oil for MKIIT I know this question has been addressed before but now that i have a MKIIT i'd like to know if it would be safe and beneficial to switch to sythetic oil and what kind. The car has 36,000 miles on it. Thanks. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 08:05:47 +1200 To: bagdon@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (S and K Bagdon), From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: re: tires for '91T MR2? Steve, >That's what I figured when I saw the RE710 tire mentioned before, that it >was the replacement for the RE71. But, unfortunately, with the way that the >Mk II MR2 goes through tires (10k-15k miles per set!!!), I have to worry a >lot about cost. The A509s seem to have the best wear/value ratio. > >So it appears it's either A509's, AVSi's or RE-710's. What to do? :) Well, over here in expensive NZ ($1 Kiwi = 68 US cents...) I bought my 195/60 x 14 RE 710's for $200 Kiwi, fitted and balanced, each (H rated). AVS were about $300, whilst the A509s were about the same as the RE710, but I made my choice based on the 710 performance on a friend's Corrolla GT and a good talk with the tyre guys - the 710 is a newer tyre than the rest, so finers crossed on technological advances! The 710 is supposed to be more durable than the RE71. I guess cost varies greatly with profile, but I thought the 710 was 'cheap' compared to a lot of tyres.... Phil Bradshaw Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve Palmerston North NZ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 08:20:38 +1200 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: 0-60 times Kip Anderson said: >The acceleration runs that magazines put cars through can be downright abusive >if not risky to the clutch and tranny. The quickest acceleration times in the >MR2 Turbo require dropping the clutch fairly hard from above 4500 rpms in >first. From there it's a no-lift scenario. I.e. If they can't find it easily, >they'll grind it into the next gear - without lifting off the gas. I have often wondered about this myself - going by the figures posted in magazines for Lotus 7s running identical power to weight to my car (160-odd horse) and taller diffs (3.9 vs my 4.44) are 'capable' of sub 5 second ie 4.5 0-60 times... My old engine (16V 4AGE 88 kW) with just me in the car did 0-60 in 6 seconds even, timed off my video camera that was bolted in the car during a track meet - that power to weight was in magazines as achieving low 5s... What I do know is that my car obliterates most everyhing from a standing start, including 250cc motorbikes, and definately eats 5 - 5.8 litre V8s. I think the comment about us being too kind to our cars is very valid. Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve "Wow - that was better than sex!" - genuine comment from female ex Flatmate after a blast around Auckland... Time for the girl to trade in partner for higher performance model methinks - cars are fun, but seriously! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 08:44:12 +1200 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Oil pressure cut-out Harry wrote: >> Now that i got my MKIIT i'm looking at some Turbo Timers. I've mostly >> seen people use the Greddy and HKS. Does anyone have any bad >> experiences with either or both? Or are they both good units? Thanks >> for any reply. Can't help you on the turbo timer, other than saying I believe they area good idea, but you may want to consider adding a low oil pressure cut-out while you are at it. I have this in my car, on the theory that it prevents the car from starting until oil pressure comes up, and cuts the engine it if you lose oil pressure before you do nasty damage. Basically you put a 'normally closed' relay in the 'IG 2'line from the ignition switch to the engine, EFI etc etc, that is triggered open when the oil warning light comes on. If you have an electric gauge, just use a t-piece (VDO make a good one) and mount a generic Toyota oil light sender (I use stock Corolla) on the other leg of the T. The power to close the relay can come from 'IG 1' What happens is, when you turn the ignition switch on to run, only the car electrics ('IG 1') operate (wipers etc) - effectively because the engine leg is shut down still due to the oil light sender turning the relay 'off', so there is still no power to the engine. You then go to 'start' and the engine cranks on the starter motor, until enough oil pressure comes up to close the relay and turn on the engine. This varies, but takes about 5-10 seconds. Because the relay has cut out IG 2, the ECU, fuel pump, injectors, EFI warning light etc etc are all off, so all you have is an air pump until the oil pressure comes up. Carbied cars would flood, so you use the start position to overide the cut out, so you will still get start up wear, but benefit from the low pressure engine cut out. You can overide the cutout by pulling the lead off the oil switch (or putting a switch on/under the dash)for those times when the battery is a little flat (when you left the lights on) or you need a jump start. It is not wise to up the pressure cut out switch from standard (4-7 psi) - I tried a 15 psi one, but once the engine was hot, it couldn't get enough oil pressure to start at cranking speed! Obviously the instant you lose oil pressure the engine shuts down - no more gauge watching paranoia when you thrash your car! Phil Bradshaw. Palmerston North NZ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 08:53:48 +1200 To: Harry Wang , From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Re: synthetic oil for MKIIT Harry Wang said: > I know this question has been addressed before but now that i have a > MKIIT i'd like to know if it would be safe and beneficial to switch to > sythetic oil and what kind. The car has 36,000 miles on it. Thanks. I reckon! Theory is that although your engine is no longer new, using a synthetic will 'stop' engine wear at the level it is now. Make it even better by using an oil cooler with thermostatic sandwich plate, and the oil pressure cut out I have just posted. Not forgetting to view the cost of oil in relation to the cost of gas you go thru between oil changes - makes scrimping on quality oil look a little foolish... I like Mobil 1 because it is compatable with mineral oils (if you get in trouble and there is nothing else available) and is available at every mobil gas station in NZ - depends on where you drive, I guess. It seems to work well enough - I pulled my sump off after 40,000 k on mobil 1 (and the motor was already 30,000 old when I got it) and the internals were all clean, no deposits or sludge. I know some people reckon Mobil 1 is garbage - maybe it is - but it is still way better than the recommended oil, and if that is deemed good enough to give whatever engine warranty Toyota offer on Turbos, a synthetic will only improve things... Phil Bradshaw xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Scott, Dan" To: ToyMods Subject: Toyota world tour Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 14:38:00 PDT Well not really the whole world and I'm not bringing my car but...... My wife and I are going to be traveling around SE Asia ,NZ and Aus. in a few weeks. If anyone wants to get together to drink a few and swap lies I'm game. We will be in NZ at the end of August then on to Bali, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand then to Brisbane and Sydney in November. I will be keeping my eyes open for tricked out Toys and those awesome sounding Loti (Lotuses??). If anyone is in to it just e-mail me at Dscott@ea.com. I will be here until the 25th of August. Thanks a bunch Dan Scott Dscott@ea.com '88 Celica Turbo 4WD PS. If any of the Kiwis on the list know of a decent place to stay in Auckland after many hours of air travel I could use some recommendations :) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Daucott@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:51:21 -0400 To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, Toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: MKI Exhaust Hi again, I've spent some time under the MR2 and made some exhaust changes, and this is what I found. For knowledge I have the intake removed and the Powermax 5" filter with MAF relocated up closer to the air vent. I had the stock exhaust manifold with cat and HKS exhaust, and it seemed to give good power throughout the power band and decent torque. I replaced the manifold with the TRD header and removed the cat (thanks RBC), and now the seat-o-the pants meter says the torque has moved to higher revs. Not really a surprise, but I definitely notice a difference. Is there more? Not sure... but I felt like there was more in the higher revs at the track... but if I was in too high a gear coming out of a corner... forget it. The really good thing that happened was the change in exhaust note. I found that with the cat and stock exhaust manifold the HKS was too quiet. Now, with header and no cat the car sounds SWEET! No, it's not obnoxiously loud, and it's quite pleasant in the car at all revs. You just hear a little of it at cruising speed and it doesn't have any of that mind blowing bass resonance that you can get in MK1s. I asked yesterday how it sounded when I autocrossed and they said "Great! Makes you say 'Hmm.. what's that?'" and take a look. :-) I can't wait to have someone else drive it so I can hear it outside the car. Have a good one! Dave A. daucott@aol.com '86 MR2, CSP autocrosser xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Justen Simpson" To: "Harry Wang" , Subject: Re: synthetic oil for MKIIT Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:52:49 +1000 I agree with Phil, as long as your motor is in good nick make the switch to fully synthetic. Those people that call Mobil 1 garbage must be using it for cooking, this oil is fantastic. I recently pulled apart my old 180 hp 18RG (used Mobil 1 from new) which was regularly thrashed and it looked brand new. There was not a sign of wear on any of the cam journals, timing chain etc the bore still had the hone marks like they had just finished it ! I'm just going to bolt it back together and its probably going into a mates 2lt sports sedan Justen Simpson CRC Freshwater Ecology University of Canberra, Australia Simpson@lake.canberra.edu.au ---------- > From: Phil Bradshaw > To: Harry Wang ; toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com > Subject: Re: synthetic oil for MKIIT > Date: Tuesday, August 06, 1996 6:53 > > Harry Wang said: > > > I know this question has been addressed before but now that i have a > > MKIIT i'd like to know if it would be safe and beneficial to switch to > > sythetic oil and what kind. The car has 36,000 miles on it. Thanks. > > I reckon! Theory is that although your engine is no longer new, using a > synthetic will 'stop' engine wear at the level it is now. Make it even > better by using an oil cooler with thermostatic sandwich plate, and the oil > pressure cut out I have just posted. Not forgetting to view the cost of oil > in relation to the cost of gas you go thru between oil changes - makes > scrimping on quality oil look a little foolish... > > I like Mobil 1 because it is compatable with mineral oils (if you get in > trouble and there is nothing else available) and is available at every mobil > gas station in NZ - depends on where you drive, I guess. It seems to work > well enough - I pulled my sump off after 40,000 k on mobil 1 (and the motor > was already 30,000 old when I got it) and the internals were all clean, no > deposits or sludge. > > I know some people reckon Mobil 1 is garbage - maybe it is - but it is still > way better than the recommended oil, and if that is deemed good enough to > give whatever engine warranty Toyota offer on Turbos, a synthetic will only > improve things... > > Phil Bradshaw > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:40:53 -0500 To: From: patisi@wt.net (patrick ikhifa) Subject: Curious & Comments Guys, Pardon me but I have some issues to lay before you guys for my information. First the 18 R/RG motors I notice guys from AU and NZ talk about a lot. Was that car ever impoported into this country? I recall and 1800 cc motor but that was mostly in P/Trucks here. How old is the motor and did it have a twin camor a turbo version? I read about 125-180bhp! We didn't begin to see 180hp stock Toyotas in this country until the mid 80s, correct me if I am wrong. My second question concerns the MR 2 MK II, how in terms of character does it compare to the sweet sixteen? Now I know this is a personal question and answwers can run the gamut here. However, there are cars in the American arnals of automobiles that, liked them or not, they had character. We all know about the 327s, Hemis, Boss 302s to mention but a few. I ask this question because I have never had an opportunity to drive the newer MR 2s. My questions has nothing to do with speed or necessarily performance, it's more to do wioth passion one feels for an engine. The 4A-Ge loves to rev and with the right exhaust can produce a note that truly silky and estatic.The 4A-GE I know about, I characterize it as having a big heart; it's got a big heart!Friend of mine calls it a "Corolla with balls". he drives a 5.0. Now, I believe that Toyota continued in this tradition with the MK IIs but right now they are outside my range and have no friend to ake me for a spin in one. Hence, folks the question, I simply have no experience to compare it with. So please let's not start a long drawn out debate here. Finally, I saw an October 1988 issue of grassroots Motorsport (GSM) whcih featured the 1989 GT-S Corolla the first year it came as FWD to these shores. Here as some comparison numbers I thought I put out there for you all to chew on. This maybe stuff that's already been seen before. Vehicle Issue 0-60 60-0 Avg TestTime Lat Accel(g) 88 Honda Prelude SI March 1988 9.9 sec 3.3 47.5/ .87g 88 Toyota MR2 Super May 1988 7.4 sec 3.8 44.6 .89g 88 Honda CRX Si June 1988 8.71 sec 3.1 46.635 .887g 88 Corvette Conv. July 1988 6.15 sec 3.0 45.052 .85g 88 Pontiac Fiero GT Aug 1988 8.1 sec 3.3 47.631 .86g 88 Mazda 323 GTX Sept 1988 7.81 2.8 47.913 .80g 88 Mazda 323 GT Sept 1988 7.7 3.2 46.993 .84g 88 Corolla GT-S Oct 1988 8.8 3.0 48.029 .87g Does anyone know if the FWD numbers differ from the RWD numbers? The position of the magazine at the time was that the RWD still had a slight edge over the FWD. Comments Please. Patrick '86 Corolla GT-S xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 5 Aug 1996 20:08:37 -0700 From: "Erik Berg" Subject: Re: most fun you can have in To: "toyota mods" Reply to: RE>most fun you can have in car without back seat Phil, >"Wow - that was better than sex!" > Time for the girl to trade in partner for higher performance model methinks Well, you never know... what with the vibrations a 7 makes at speed, maybe there was more going on in the passenger seat, than you realized? ;-) ;-) erik.berg@trw.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 5 Aug 1996 21:10:40 -0700 From: "Erik Berg" Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy To: "toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberaut" Reply to: RE>>Tyres vs fuel economy Phil, you wrote: > The guys who race them here swear on 22 psi, so I guess I will have to live with the economy - which is still not bad! I am a little concerned about long term effects of running the tyres 'underinflated' If they are developing optimum grip at 22 psi, then I would guess they are NOT underinflated... for such a light car! But I suppose the real answer would be in how they wear over time... if it wears evenly across the tread, then it's at a good running pressure, right? erik.berg@trw.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:14:11 +1200 To: Erik Berg , From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy Erik, Peoples, Regarding pressures: >If they are developing optimum grip at 22 psi, then I would guess they are NOT >underinflated... for such a light car! But I suppose the real answer would be in how >they wear over time... if it wears evenly across the tread, then it's at a good >running pressure, right? Yeah, I believe so, however I have always been under the impression that steel radials wear evenly regardless of inflation as the belt holds the tread flat, hence it can be dangerous to buy used tyres as the tread may look fine but the sidewalls can be stuffed from under-inflation... The only time they wear funny is due to alignment maladies - anyone able to confirm or refute this? Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ Leitch Supersprint (Not a Bloody Fraser!) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: Philip.Bradshaw.1@cyberspace.cyberauto.com (Phil Bradshaw) Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 15:59:38 +1000 From: Peter Mejak >..... I have always been under the impression that >steel radials wear evenly regardless of inflation as the belt holds the >tread flat.... >.... The only >time they wear funny is due to alignment maladies - anyone able to confirm >or refute this? Hi Phil, Unfortunately not. From personal experience, overinflation leads to accelerated wear in the centre of the tyre. Happened on all 4 tyres, including the rears (live axle), so alignment didn't come into it. Cheers, Peter. ====================================================== Peter Mejak, HP Response Centre, Melbourne, Australia peterm@aus.hp.com ====================================================== xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 09:09:00 NZS From: Adrienne Mora Subject: RE: Well then. To: Toyota Mods > Yesterday was a brisk but sunny day as I met up with Phil Bradshaw to > road test his Lotus 7. hehehehe, yet another victim has fallen under the 7's spell!! : ) Hey Phil ... Steve was talking to Neil Fraser, and said that he'd driven your car... Neil just laughed and said "geesshh, more Fraser owners have driven that car than Frasers!!! : ) hehehehehe Ade xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:44:55 +1000 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bilzilla@zeta.org.au (Bill Sherwood) Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy Hiya all, >Thanks for your reply. Trouble is the car is so light (600 kg) that at >anywhere near 30 psi it 'jumps' over the road... The guys who race them here >swear on 22 psi, so I guess I will have to live with the economy - which is >still not bad! I am a little concerned about long term effects of running >the tyres 'underinflated' however everyone I haver talked to reckons that >the low weight will make it ok. > FWIW, my racing car weighs 491kg (1080lbs) with me in it, and I use 11psi in the fronts & 12 in the back tyres. (both set cold, they come up about 2-3 psi hot) The tyres are the old-fashioned cross-ply style, as that is all we can get for our 'Sports 1300' class. Can anyone top that for lower pressures? ;) (Or does anyone even _want_ to?? :) The B Man. P.S. I get only 8mpg when racing. Must be the tyre pressures ... ;) ~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~ Dum volvo, video disco Em tasal, wantok. "It must be true 'cause I saw it on TV." ** Another pothole in the Information Superhighway ** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 12:13:00 NZS From: Adrienne Mora Subject: RE: Toyota world tour To: Toyota Mods Hi Dan > Well not really the whole world and I'm not bringing my car but...... > > My wife and I are going to be traveling around SE Asia ,NZ and Aus. in a few > weeks. If anyone wants to get together to drink a few and swap lies I'm > game. We will be in NZ at the end of August then on to Bali, Singapore, > Malaysia, Thailand then to Brisbane and Sydney in November. I will be > keeping my eyes open for tricked out Toys and those awesome sounding Loti > (Lotuses??). hehehee ... well, I'm sure Phil will show you his pink bits!! ; ) (heheheehhe) And you're most welcome to see our fraser 7 in progress. : ) > If anyone is in to it just e-mail me at Dscott@ea.com. I will > be here until the 25th of August. cool. Well, I live 1.5 hours south of Auckland .. so if you're planning on coming down this way ... give me a call!! If not .. I might even pop up to Auckland for a visit! : ) Email me and let me know. Later Ade '86 SC T-Top MR2 ... "M1STR 2" .... my daily driver '84 MR2 - burnt out .... being built up as a race car '87 SC T-Top MR2 ... has been rolled ... is parts car for race car '9? Fraser 7 - lotus 7 replica kit being built AdeM@wairc.govt.nz New Zealand > PS. If any of the Kiwis on the list know of a decent place to stay in > Auckland after many hours of air travel I could use some recommendations :) Hmmm, don't ask me man .. i don't live there. Phil?? Can you help? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: kca@interserv.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:31:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Curious & Comments To: bconnelly@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com On Tue, 6 Aug 96, bconnelly@VNET.IBM.COM wrote: >On a 20 degree (Cent) track using road tyres >the MR2 will lap 1-1.5 second slower than AE 86 with the AE 86 lap time >being 1.20 secs to 1.14 secs. The so called handling advantage of the MR-2 >is (sadly and I'm sorry to say it Harry P) fiction. I think Billzilla summed it up best by defining the difference between handling and roadholding. The MR2 of either MK is an excellent handling car out of the box, and it does very well "handling" quick transitions. This doesn't necessarily mean it's the best in terms of steady state "roadholding". Skidpad numbers show this. So yup, the roadholding ability of the car may not be as good in a circle, but throw in some twisties and I'm sure the story changes somewhat, although I must admit I'm not sure what an AE 86 is. Few cars are faster than the MR2 through a slalom. Kip Anderson _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| kca@interserv.com _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| http://members.aol.com/kipanderso _| _| _| _| 91 MR2 Turbo "That's one bad-ass car!" - Two girls in downtown Nashville xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:33:55 +1200 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, kitracers@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Philip.Bradshaw.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (Phil Bradshaw) Subject: Toyota powered Leitch Supersprint Webpage Dan Scott posted me and said there was a Leitch page on the web at: "http://www.napi.com/euroq/leitch/index.html" I am hopeless with the internet and ended up finding it via LYCOS search engine under 'Leitch Super Sprint'. The page looks quite smart, but is full of typos, I will let Barry Leitch know. There are a number of pictures including engine etc - trusty 4AGE on twin DCOE Webers that I assume develops 200 and not 2000 as quoted horse! Thought you may be interested - I never knew this existed! Phil Bradshaw Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: bconnelly@vnet.ibm.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:52:35 EST To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Curious & Comments There is no question in my mind that for outright circuit racing the AE86 (RWD) is the fastest of the 4AG configurations, the MR2 is by far the slowest. The FWD stands somewhere in the middle but they are very weak and people dont really like them. On a 20 degree (Cent) track using road tyres the MR2 will lap 1-1.5 second slower than AE 86 with the AE 86 lap time being 1.20 secs to 1.14 secs. The so called handling advantage of the MR-2 is (sadly and I'm sorry to say it Harry P) fiction. The 18RG or 2tG was never available in Aust. but so many were imported as engines in the 80's that I bet half the running TA22's and TA23's have them! Both engines can exceed 200BHP and both dont have trouble using Mobil 1! Bruce xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Bwiencek@kcnet.com Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 14:55:25 -0600 Subject: G52 in 4x4 pickup - how to tell if early/late To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Hello, I have a question - in my '84 4x4 Pickup (build date 11/83) I have the late g52 trans, the truck was built with the early (10/83 to 8/84???) trans, but I think it has been swapped out with a later g52 (85-88 model yrs.)- how can I tell which one I have. The toyota parts people haven't a clue, except bring in the parts and match them up - not real good since they have to order most of them in- and IF I guess wrong it could be a couple of weeks before I get the right ones. Any experts? any advice? Should I just forget it and swap to a NV-4500 ;-) - Brian xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Ted Looi Subject: Re: Curious & Comments To: bconnelly@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:09:58 +1000 (EST) Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com > > I have an Idea, what about a battle of the 4AG's in Australia? > The place Philip Island in November (a full noise day of the Group 5 round) > Competitors...Perhaps Harry in the MR2, Bill and myself in my AE86 and I will > invite another few AE86's. Who can offer us an AE82 or AE 92? I'll offer a > $100 to the fastest lap time what do you think guys? > Bruce > Well, I would offer my AE82 FWD but Phillip Island is a long way from me. But I should be able to post some times soon from Lakeside to give an indication of road cars (my MX5 and Seca) though the Seca has had a lot more done to it. Trust me though, I do not expect my FWD AE82 to run harder than a "built for lap sprints" RWD AE86, and I know which I would prefer on a rally track, but maybe I can ask for my Uncle's "up for sale" DTM spec M3 to run some timed laps 8^) BTW his race mechanic used to build 4AGE race motors years ago, and their sprint motors would wind out to 10800rpm and produce about 220hp. The endurance motors were good for 9700rpm and 195hp. If you want some good power, talk to Stef at Motorsport in Nerang and he has some top Vtecs putting out some serious power overseas. TEd -- -----------------------@____@-------------------------------------------------- __/~> `--' Ted Looi, Network/Host Security, _/{___} DPI, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia /\ /\ '86 Seca AE82 4AGE "SXTC" '91 MX5 BRG ted@dpi.qld.gov.au "TALK TO ME" $ R we there yet?? Nope... R we there yet?? Nope... R we there yet?? Nope... ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 20:02:41 -0700 From: Val MacDonald To: Cyberspace Subject: 4AGE Version Re 4AGE; Toyota Japan & Toyota NZ both bring out an updated version of the 4AGE namely 4AG2E which is I believe the 4AGE block with a 20 valve head. Thanks for listening Val MacDonald Road 88 Celica GT4 3S-GTE 88 MR2 Supercharged 4AGZE Project (Speedway) 84 Fibre-glass Celice 3T-GTE xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: kca@interserv.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:07:39 -0700 Subject: RE: Curious & Comments To: Toyota Mods On Wed, 07 Aug 96, Adrienne Mora wrote: >It all comes down to the nut behind the wheel : ) And the squirrels would go crazy with this group . . . Kip Anderson _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| kca@interserv.com _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| http://members.aol.com/kipanderso _| _| _| _| 91 MR2 Turbo "That's one bad-ass car!" - Two girls in downtown Nashville xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 19:19:12 PST From: "Harry Wang" To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: MR2 vs. Eclipse Sorry to start another comparison war but i just wanted to know what you guys feel about this comparison since i just got an MKIITurbo and my roommate just bought a '96 Eclipse GSX. Out the box, which one is faster? From what i've read and seen, it seems these two cars are very close as far as 0-60 and 1/4-mile times. Does anyone know the exact figures? I just want to make sure i don't get beat by my roommate in his Eclipse. I'm sure i won't so he isn't serious about mods and performance. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:27:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rees Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: Tyres vs fuel economy On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Phil Bradshaw wrote: > Yeah, I believe so, however I have always been under the impression that > steel radials wear evenly regardless of inflation as the belt holds the > tread flat, hence it can be dangerous to buy used tyres as the tread may > look fine but the sidewalls can be stuffed from under-inflation... The only > time they wear funny is due to alignment maladies - anyone able to confirm > or refute this? > Well, I know for a fact that the shoulders of my radials always wear faster when I run lower pressures. I can also confirm this by watching the scuff marks on the edges of the tires after varying tire pressures. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 08:25:00 NZS From: Adrienne Mora Subject: RE: Curious & Comments To: Toyota Mods > There is no question in my mind that for outright circuit racing the > AE86 (RWD) is the fastest of the 4AG configurations, the MR2 is by far the > slowest. The FWD stands somewhere in the middle but they are very weak and > people dont really like them. On a 20 degree (Cent) track using road tyres > the MR2 will lap 1-1.5 second slower than AE 86 with the AE 86 lap time > being 1.20 secs to 1.14 secs. The so called handling advantage of the MR-2 > is (sadly and I'm sorry to say it Harry P) fiction. The 18RG or 2tG was never > available in Aust. but so many were imported as engines in the 80's that > I bet half the running TA22's and TA23's have them! Both engines can exceed > 200BHP and both dont have trouble using Mobil 1! > Bruce Hmmm, I think I'd have to disagree ... surely the driver would play a big part in the whole thing. I know of drivers who will take someones car out and, without much practise, will cut 4 seconds off the owners times ... usually right after the owner says the car can't go any faster. It all comes down to the nut behind the wheel : ) Ade xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 02:48:00 PDT From: John D Garza To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: 20R Woes ;-( Hello, This is my first posting. I have a '76 Celica. I've done a little bit of work to the engine; .030 pistons rods polished and shot peened(sp?) balanced offy intake weber 32/36 DGAV pace setter header 5 speed tranny My question and problem is the cam. I've tried 3 different cams in this car and eventually they all munched! At first I went with a Crane 280. The lift was so high that my cam followers were beating up the oil baffle under the valve cover. I found that a 22R baffle actually allows more travel for the followers. This worked as long as I didn't tweak on the valve cover bolts. This cam lasted about 6K and then a lobe went bad. So I tried a Competition Cams 270. I no longer had problems with the valve cover,but this one only lasted about 3K. I then tried another Competition Cams 260. This one lasted about the same. Each time with every cam I bought new followers and used lots and lots of cam lube when I broke the cam in. With each one the break in seemed to go well. I just don't understand why they're not lasting. Currently I have a stock TRW cam in it. It's been in there for about 20K and I just adjusted the valves and the lobes are looking great (smooth and shiny). Any suggestions out there? I've spent a little bit of coin on this engine and having experienced what a cam can do for performance... Well, I want it back!!! Help please. Thanks for any replies. -John xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:39:59 +1000 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bilzilla@zeta.org.au (Bill Sherwood) Subject: 55mm Webers, and English 4AGE's. Hiya all, I've finally got around to digging up the address for Richard Macer. It's - RM Sport 24 Green Lane, Letchworth, Hertfordshire SG6 1EB Ph/fax (in UK) 0462 481 660 On the subject of big Webers, I was reading a local Aus magazine today and I noticed an add for 55mm Webers. I seem to remember that someone wanted to get a pair, so if you phone Hardiman Auto Supplies, Australia on - 61-2-9771 5877, then they should be able to help you. Regards, The B Man. ~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~ Dum volvo, video disco Em tasal, wantok. "It must be true 'cause I saw it on TV." ** Another pothole in the Information Superhighway ** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:08:04 +1000 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: bilzilla@zeta.org.au (Bill Sherwood) Subject: AE-86 day at PI! >I have an Idea, what about a battle of the 4AG's in Australia? >The place Philip Island in November (a full noise day of the Group 5 round) >Competitors...Perhaps Harry in the MR2, Bill and myself in my AE86 and I will >invite another few AE86's. Who can offer us an AE82 or AE 92? I'll offer a >$100 to the fastest lap time what do you think guys? >Bruce > Yeah, yeah, I'm there! (But can I use my car with the new engine in it?) The B Man. P.S. Don't worry about the $$$ - It's for FUN!! :) ~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~-=-~ Dum volvo, video disco Em tasal, wantok. "It must be true 'cause I saw it on TV." ** Another pothole in the Information Superhighway ** xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Loh To: "'toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com'" Subject: RE: turbo timer Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:59:33 +0800 Hi Harry I use the HKS turbo timer and I think it's great. Besides being a turbo = timer, it's got an engine-hours meter function. This counts the number = of hours your engine has run since you installed the turbo timer or the = last time you disconnected the battery. You can reset the hour meter to = zero manually. It's also got a handbrake safety feature which shuts the = timer down immediately if your handbrake is released. If you like = beepity-beep noises (defeatable), it makes those too. Installation is = straightforward. I've never tried the Greddy timer but I hear good things about it. To bo = honest, I don't think you can go far wrong with timers as long as you = buy a quality unit. Leonard Loh ---------- From: Harry Wang[SMTP:hwang@orthanc.nchip.COM] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 1996 1:07 AM To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com; = toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: turbo timer Now that i got my MKIIT i'm looking at some Turbo Timers. I've = mostly=20 seen people use the Greddy and HKS. Does anyone have any bad=20 experiences with either or both? Or are they both good units? = Thanks=20 for any reply. =20 hwang@nchip.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 17:24:03 +0200 To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: sv1bt@compulink.gr (Kostas G. D. Chryssos ) Subject: MR2 schematics Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com I contacted kashima@keisei.tsukuba.ac.jp and downloaded the MR2 schematics. I have Protel so I was able to read and print them. But have no idea as of what they represent. I have asked kashima by e-mail to e-mail me back any info that could help. If anybody has more info please contact me. Thks Kostas G.D.Chryssos Ph.D. ELFON Ltd. 30 Ikarias str., Glyfada GR 16675 Athens HELLAS Tel: + 301 9628212 Fax: + 301 9628539 e-mail: sv1bt@compulink.gr xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Loh To: "'toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com'" Subject: RE: Manuals? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:47:21 +0800 Phil Pardon me for butting in. I've tried to buy a workshop manual from my = local dealer but they refuse to sell it. Are you guys in NZ able to buy = shop manuals for your Toyotas? If so, could one of you get one for a '92 = Celica GT4 CSLE (ST185R) for me? I'm only too happy to send a check. Also, have any of you ever heard of a speedshop called Street Life World = Rallying in Auckland? Thanks. =20 Regards Leonard Loh Toyota Celica GT4 Carlos Sainz Limited Edition Singapore ---------- From: owner-toyota-mods@CyberAuto.Com on behalf of Phil Bradshaw Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 1996 4:49 AM To: richard@cyberspace.cyberauto.com; = toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: Manuals? Richard, I would be tempted to try to use the standard Toyota manuals (about = $100-120 NZ each) as much of the info is the same for the imports - but obviously = not all. Go and snivel at your friendly Toyota dealer for a look at their = stuff and see if it is worth it. I buy all my manuals etc from either from = Toyota direct or Technical Books in Wellington or Auckland, or Vital Books in Auckland. Sorry I don't have addresses but telecom directories (Dial = 018) will provide. Check for pricing - Tech books etc discount 10% for car = club members, but not generally on manuals. Hope this is of help Phil Bradshaw Palmerston North NZ Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve - Best fun you can have with your pants on. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: bconnelly@vnet.ibm.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:44:54 EST To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: Curious & Comments I have an Idea, what about a battle of the 4AG's in Australia? The place Philip Island in November (a full noise day of the Group 5 round) Competitors...Perhaps Harry in the MR2, Bill and myself in my AE86 and I will invite another few AE86's. Who can offer us an AE82 or AE 92? I'll offer a $100 to the fastest lap time what do you think guys? Bruce xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David Rees To: John D Garza Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: 20R Woes ;-( Wow, that's a pretty impressive amount of work to that engine! About your question about the cams, could it be that you're not using the recommended valve springs? Another curious question (since I have a '81 Celica with the 22R) is how much did the offy intake and cam increase power of your engine? Later, Dave On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, John D Garza wrote: > Hello, > This is my first posting. I have a '76 Celica. I've done a little > bit of work to the engine; > .030 pistons > rods polished and shot peened(sp?) > balanced > offy intake > weber 32/36 DGAV > pace setter header > 5 speed tranny > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: mr2-digest , From: Steven Jackson/CAM/Lotus Date: 7 Aug 96 15:33:31 EDT Subject: Re: MR2 vs. Eclipse This one's easy. The MR2 Turbo is a much faster autocrosser and roadracer. I wouldn't run against an Eclipse in a high speed rally event--they do well in some rally classes. Drag racing? Who cares. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are very poor predictors of the over-all performance of a car. The MR2 Turbo is classified in A/Stock by the SCCA in Solo, or autocross, and it's competitive in this class. Last year an MR2 Turbo won A/S at the SCCA Solo Nationals. The Eclilpse is a B/Stock car (B is a "slower" class than A), and isn't competitive in this class against the Porsche 944S or Turbo, or the second gen Mazda RX-7 Turbo. But this is assuming an equal level of driving skill. I ran my supercharged MR2 against an Eclipse in autocross a number of times. We had just about equal high-performance/race driving education and experience. Both our cars were entirely stock, just as driven off the showroom floor. I beat him every time. Typically, I'd be about 3 seconds faster than him on a 100 second course. But then, the MR2 SC is also an A/Stock car, though not competitive in this class as is the MR2 Turbo. As long as you can drive properly, I wouldn't worry about being beaten. - S hwang @ orthanc.nchip.COM ("Harry Wang") 08/06/96 07:19 PM To: mr2-digest @ cyberspace.cyberauto.com @ INTERNET, toyota-mods @ cyberspace.cyberauto.com @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Steven Jackson/CAM/Lotus) Subject: MR2 vs. Eclipse Sorry to start another comparison war but i just wanted to know what you guys feel about this comparison since i just got an MKIITurbo and my roommate just bought a '96 Eclipse GSX. Out the box, which one is faster? From what i've read and seen, it seems these two cars are very close as far as 0-60 and 1/4-mile times. Does anyone know the exact figures? I just want to make sure i don't get beat by my roommate in his Eclipse. I'm sure i won't so he isn't serious about mods and performance. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:18:58 -0400 To: Toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: greencg@gate.net Subject: I have finally done it... Well, I have finally gotten off of my butt and removed all of the " excess " plumbing from the rear trunk of my Mr2, i have left the filter in the stock location for now, but All of the plastic ducting is now gone from the right side , across the car to the filter housing. I just let it suck into the rear trunk, and I will be carefull about leaving cd's in there till i get the K&N filter setup from select sales, and relocate the whole mess up under the engine lid.....The seat o the pants o meter doesn't register any change, but it sure sounds neat!!!!!!! I talked to the guy at select sales for about an hour, and that guy Is SICK!!!! he is running a seriously modified Mr2 Na...I have about convinced him to get on the net just to read this list...He seems very excited about being able to talk to a bunch of like minded people... HKS header? anyone had Good/Bad experiences with this fitment???? anyone tried a Supertrapp just past the flex Pipe???? Comments, suggestions ....Please.... My car sounds like A Hoover Upright!!!!! Chris Green Greencg@gate.net 87 Mister 2 n/a Black "Those who are willing to sacrifice Freedom in the name of Security deserve neither" Benjamin Franklin. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:57:32 -0500 (CDT) To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Scott Davis I was wondering if someone could tell me what different names the corolla was given over the years, and with what different equiptment/packages each had... For instance, here in the US we have the regular corolla, from the late 60's to the present, with no change in the basic corolla name. However, we had the Deluxe model until 1980, the SR-5 designation (which included the my 1980 TE72 and the RWD AE86's 1984-1987), GT, GT-S and some late 80's (88+) through the present designations (which I don't know cause I never had the funds to even consider buying one). I have noticed a few very interesting names flying around from around the world, including Levin, Levin sprinter (which I believe is the AE86, or GT-S here in the states) and some others that I did not catch... Would someone care to inform me what designations were diven to what models? Just out of nagging curiosity.... Scott xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 15:00:49 PST From: "Harry Wang" To: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: MR2 Turbo vs. Eclipse GSX vs. 300ZX N/A Yes i know this is another comparison but ya see my other roommate has a 1991 300ZX N/A and i'm just wondering how he compares. The Z seems to have quite a bit of low end torque. Of course if his Z was a twin turbo it would be a different story. Does anyone know the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for a 300ZX N/A? This is considering all our cars are stock and equal drivers (even though i think i'm a better driver than both of them). Well thank you in advance to anyone for their input. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 16:20:19 -0700 From: Val MacDonald To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Cc: philip.bradshaw.1@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: 4-AG series Phil Bradshaw wrote: > Hi Phil > > To the best of my knowledge the 20 valve seems to be known as the "Twin Cam > 20" in the sales brochures (I have a 1995 Japanese brochure) and mine (ex > '91 Trueno) has -20 as prefix on the engine bar code, whilst Corollas have > -10 prefix (I have no idea what the difference is!) > Are you not confusing 4AG2E with 4AGZE? It is believed there is a current > generation supercharged 16V (?) motor that is listed on the CD roms as 4AGZE > but no-one knows for sure. There have always been rumours of turbo 20 valves > too... wouldn't that be nice! > If you have a 91 Sprinter Trueno 1600 GT or GTR you will find that engine to be a 4-AG2E not a 4-AGE (2 - 20 valve). No confusion between AGZE and AG2E !!! Chassis No. E-AE101 Trueno appears to have 4-AG2E, while E-AE101 Sprinter Sedan has 4A-FE, E-AE101 Levin GT Apex Super 4-AGE. Thats a start.... Also tell me more about your fibreglass car - sounds intersting! I'll report on this project later... > > Phil Bradshaw > Palmerston North > Leitch Supersprint 20 Valve -- On road: 88 Celica GT4 (3S-GTE) On road: 88 MR2 Supercharged (4AGZE) Project: 84 Fibreglass Celica (3T-GTE) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:49:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Buhr To: Toyota Supras Mailing List , Subject: Stock AFM & 550 cc injectors For today, I yanked the Lexus AFM out and put the stock one back in, so that I could do the new AFM screw swap on the Lexus AFM. Anyway, driving around with the stock AFM and the 550 cc injectors the car should be running pretty rich, and does seem to be. According to the VF meter, while cruising around town I vary between half-lean and half-rich, more on half-rich than the others. However, when idling or accelerating slowly to moderately it still stays on full lean, interestingly enough. Accelerating moderately to hard it jumps to full rich pretty easily. If I steadily push the pedal down, I can feel the power drop as the richness goes from ideal to half-rich to fully-rich. It definitely feels softer when it goes to fully rich. Just for the sake of argument, I set my boost pressure at .50 bar (7.4 PSI) and floored it, and when the boost got above about 4 PSI the engine stuttered and huge black clouds came out of the exhaust, visible in broad daylight. The engine almost stalled. I was probably running about 9.6:1 air/fuel. Probably just about filled the cylinders with fuel. Well, tomorrow I should have the Lexus AFM back on with the new screw in. More info later. Aaron B. 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 15:52:25 PST From: "Harry Wang" To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: clear parking lights Does anyone know if they make clear parking lights for the MKII like the ones for Honda's. I'm talking about the long amber turn signal and the small amber parking light. Could they be made? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: "Harry Wang" Cc: mr2-digest@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, Subject: Re: MR2 Turbo vs. Eclipse GSX vs. 300ZX N/A Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 10:50:05 +1000 From: Peter Mejak Yes i know this is another comparison but ya see my other roommate has a 1991 300ZX N/A and i'm just wondering how he compares. The Z seems to have quite a bit of low end torque. Of course if his Z was a twin turbo it would be a different story. Does anyone know the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for a 300ZX N/A? This is considering all our cars are stock and equal drivers (even though i think i'm a better driver than both of them). Well thank you in advance to anyone for their input. Harry, Instead of theorising forever, why not just take the cars down to a track & get some real-world data? Should put an end to all arguments. Cheers, Peter. ====================================================== Peter Mejak, HP Response Centre, Melbourne, Australia peterm@aus.hp.com ====================================================== xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:41:46 -0400 (EDT) To: greencg@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: Bruce Crawford Subject: Re: I have finally done it... At 05:24 PM 1/5/80 -0500, you wrote: >I talked to the guy at select sales for about an hour, and that guy Is SICK!!!! >he is running a seriously modified Mr2 Na...I have about convinced him to >get on the net just to read this list...He seems very excited about being >able to talk to a bunch of like minded people... Sounds like Steve, eh? >HKS header? anyone had Good/Bad experiences with this fitment???? I have a TRD header. I loved it, then hated it, and now I love it again. I loved it first cuz I Jethot coated it and the rusty POS looked nice. Then I hated it because it caused me to manufacture about five more exhausts before I hit a good one. Then I loved it again when I put in the cams and stuff and the car ran great. >anyone tried a Supertrapp just past the flex Pipe???? If you retain the stock manifold, it sounds GREAT, but is really loud. If you put on a header and try a Supertrapp, you better hope you're good friends with the local Troopers. I ran a 2.5" 'Trapp with a TRD header for lil' while. It set off every car alarm I drove past, and was a proven baby-waker. My neighborhood popularity was not to good then. I now use a TRD header and a 2.25" Dynomax Turbo with good results. Good luck, Bruce and Martha Crawford...........crawford@planet.earthcom.net '79 RX7 GS (ITA) '83 RX7 GSL (w/EFI 13B) '89 MR2 (Modded) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 08:59:00 NZS From: Adrienne Mora Subject: RE: Manuals? To: Toyota Mods > Pardon me for butting in. I've tried to buy a workshop manual from my = > local dealer but they refuse to sell it. Are you guys in NZ able to buy = > shop manuals for your Toyotas? If so, could one of you get one for a '92 = > Celica GT4 CSLE (ST185R) for me? I'm only too happy to send a check. hmmm, if it was sold new in NZ you should be able to get it > Also, have any of you ever heard of a speedshop called Street Life World = > Rallying in Auckland? yeppers .. it's for street racers .. not full on race cars though. Caters to people with LOTS of money! Ade xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:33:26 -0700 (MST) From: Jim Collins To: Scott Davis Cc: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, toyota@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: Corolla Designations (was: ) On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Scott Davis wrote: > I was wondering if someone could tell me what different names the corolla > was given over the years, and with what different equiptment/packages each > had... For instance, here in the US we have the regular corolla, from the > late 60's to the present, with no change in the basic corolla name. > However, we had the Deluxe model until 1980, the SR-5 designation (which > included the my 1980 TE72 and the RWD AE86's 1984-1987), GT, GT-S and some > late 80's (88+) through the present designations (which I don't know cause I > never had the funds to even consider buying one). > I have noticed a few very interesting names flying around from > around the world, including Levin, Levin sprinter (which I believe is the > AE86, or GT-S here in the states) and some others that I did not catch... > Would someone care to inform me what designations were diven to what models? > Just out of nagging curiosity.... > > Scott > i can help you some here, in Japan there are sprinters and corollas, they are basically the same car. The GT-S as they are known here are called either Corolla Levin ( has the non-flipup head lights ) or the Sprinter Trueno ( the ones with the flipup headlights ), in Japan most people call them hachi-rokus, after the chassis designations AE86, these were made from 84 or 5 to about 87 i believe, the newer FWD ones are the AE92 series same basic designations. there was also a model of AE92 w/ a GT-Z added on the end, these were the supercharged corollas. both the ae86's and the ae92's came with 4ag's. i guess I'll let Bill S. or Bruce C. pick up from here. James Collins collinsj@bird.library.arizona.edu xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Daucott@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:19:57 -0400 To: greencg@cyberspace.cyberauto.com, Toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com Subject: Re: I have finally done it... In a message dated 96-08-08 01:52:12 EDT, you write: << Well, I have finally gotten off of my butt and removed all of the " excess " plumbing from the rear trunk of my Mr2,... till i get the K&N filter setup from select sales, and relocate the whole mess up under the engine lid.....The seat o the pants o meter doesn't register any change, but it sure sounds neat!!!!!!! << I hope you got the 5 inch filter from Select... the 7 inch one will be a trick to install. I installed the 5" and it works perfectly, Bruce installed the 7" and, well, he can tell you how he fit it in. FWIW, I love the setup. >>I talked to the guy at select sales for about an hour, and that guy Is SICK!!!!<< he is running a seriously modified Mr2 Na...I have about convinced him to >> Yeah, Steve is a riot! Just get him going and hang on!!! :-) Dave A. daucott@aol.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:58:32 -0600 To: toyota-mods@cyberspace.cyberauto.com From: mbedford@indiana.edu (Monte Bedford) Subject: Corolla names Scott, I had always heard refer to the RWD GTS years as you have listed ('84-'87) but I once had Lou Fusz Toyota look it up. They say that the RWD GTS was '85-'87 (4 wheel disc brakes). The '84 was actually designated SR5 (not GTS) and had drum brakes in back. So I'm told. Monte >However, we had the Deluxe model until 1980, the SR-5 designation (which >included the my 1980 TE72 and the RWD AE86's 1984-1987), GT, GT-S and (snip, snip) > >Scott > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx